Kat Von Tea

I can't comment on the third world, but in places like the US (where this discussion is focused on), I'm pretty sure the mortality rate is pretty damn low, lower than a lot of the blue-collar jobs in common life.

Yet this radfem acting as if it's a deadly risk equivalent to living in Chernobyl is quite frankly hilarious.

They have to predicate their argument on the ‘risk’ because even if the risk of complications are .01% then they have to take it as a global affront that men don’t suffer that same risk.

Are the lives of Black women that easy to dismiss?

Furthermore: “I can’t comment on the third world” (racist term) “but in the US I’m pretty sure the mortality rate is low”

Wrong.

“The U.S. has the highest maternal mortality rate among developed countries. Obstetrician-gynecologists (ob-gyns) are overrepresented in its maternity care workforce relative to midwives, and there is an overall shortage of maternity care providers (both ob-gyns and midwives) relative to births. In most other countries, midwives outnumber ob-gyns by severalfold, and primary care plays a central role in the health system. Although a large share of its maternal deaths occur postbirth, the U.S. is the only country not to guarantee access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period.”

They go on to add:

“In 2018, there were 17 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births in the U.S. — a ratio more than double that of most other high-income countries (Exhibit 1). In contrast, the maternal mortality ratio was three per 100,000 or fewer in in the Netherlands, Norway, and New Zealand.”

Let’s see what the statistics are for Blue Collar mortality:

“Today, the vast majority of working Americans are relatively safe in their work environment. Across all industries in both the public and private sectors, there were 3.6 deaths for every 100,000 full-time workers.”

Furthermore, I went through the list of the 25 most dangerous jobs in the USA in 2018.

Motherhood (17:100,000) was as dangerous as being a “miscellaneous farm worker”, or, in other words, being a pregnant woman in the USA is still as dangerous as being Juan Fulano from El Salvador picking tomatoes and strawberries (17.4:100,000).

Other “blue collar jobs” less dangerous than being pregnant?

Grounds maintenance workers (17:100,000); Shop Mechanic Supervisors (15:100000); construction workers/general labourers (15:100,000); police officer (14:100,000); HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRICAL WIRE INSTALLER(!!!!!!!!) (14:100,000); Taxi drivers (13:100,000); construction machinery operators (10:100,000), Electrician (10:100,000); Machinist/Machine Repair (9:100,000).

To wit, being pregnant in the United States is so dangerous that if it were a job, it would rank 10th in terms of on-the-job fatalities.

The only jobs more dangerous are: rancher, truck driver, steel worker, refuse/recyclables collector, roofers, pilots, and the dudes on Deadliest fucking Catch.

Second, this doesn’t address my actual point at all and is, once again, just an example of you gazing at your own navel.

But it’s hilarious because if we actually look at your links you find this:

“Death while pregnant” or “within one year of the end of pregnancy” and “irrespective of cause”

I know reading comprehension is something you’ve proven, time and time again, to be something you’re lacking but I’d have thought you’d actually take the time to read the articles you post.

This means that if a pregnant woman dies in car crash, she gets counted in the statistic.  If she gets into a car crash 362 days after giving birth, she’s counted in the statistic.

How the fuck is that a useful metric to determine how dangerous it is? That’s beyond manipulative. So right up your alley, no surprise.

If you were to even remotely come close to actually comparing the two, you’d have to count “blue collar workers who die 3 hours before and after their shift” instead of on-the-job deaths.

Holy shit, you were desperate for me to see this that you tried to @ me?  I appreciate it.  Thank you.  No, really.  I’m going to thank you because if you didn’t actually kick up a stink I would’ve never seen this absolutely pathetic attempt to manipulate information.

So now everyone can see that this statistic you’ve tried to cite is bullshit, which means that the next time someone like you tries it, they’ll know it’s wrong.

As for your point — you’re right? Any Non-Zero maternal mortality rate is too high. But your response is predicated on motherhood being less dangerous than a blue collar job.

You were incorrect there, as the data shows.

As for “irrespective of cause”, the context matters. If you’d read the source, you’d know that. For instance, they mean, “irrespective of cause (so a blood clot, post-partum haemorrhage, or even suicide as a result of post-partum depression) would all count.

You’ll notice that you’re also choosing one line from one definition; what’s wrong with the other two? They clearly tie the medical sequelae back to the act of pregnancy.

“I know reading comprehension lalala”

That’s an ad hominem argument. Moving on.

“That would mean a woman who dies of car crash 362 after pregnancy-“

Incorrect, which the study demonstrates and clearly identifies as non-equivalent. That particular definition is a broad tent in order to capture the broad scope of maternal health concerns affecting women in the USA.

If you’d gone into the study you’d notice that they use the term “pregnancy-related death” — which is the much stricter definition presented in the second example. “Maternal mortality” is also used, and that clearly demarcates itself.

But that doesn’t make as good of a “gotcha”, I know. Bummer for you.

As for blue collar comparisons — no, we don’t. Although given the fact that many of these blue collar professions (police service, fire service, oil field workers/fisheries/logging) do live on the site, that’s already built into the risk factor.

Hell, shop foremen on more remote sites will sleep over as well — and pilots will bring two crews on long hauls so they can rest mid-leg.

The data remains. Maternal mortality in the United States is 17:100,000. It is, commensurately, one of the top ten deadliest professions in the USA.

And sure, I @‘d you. After all, you haven’t debunked any of the information here, just taken umbrage at a single definition, and bolded some text and attempted to insult me.

I can't comment on the third world, but in places like the US (where this discussion is focused on), I'm pretty sure the mortality rate is pretty damn low, lower than a lot of the blue-collar jobs in common life.

Yet this radfem acting as if it's a deadly risk equivalent to living in Chernobyl is quite frankly hilarious.

They have to predicate their argument on the 'risk' because even if the risk of complications are .01% then they have to take it as a global affront that men don't suffer that same risk.

Are the lives of Black women that easy to dismiss?

Furthermore: “I can’t comment on the third world” (racist term) “but in the US I’m pretty sure the mortality rate is low”

Wrong.

“The U.S. has the highest maternal mortality rate among developed countries. Obstetrician-gynecologists (ob-gyns) are overrepresented in its maternity care workforce relative to midwives, and there is an overall shortage of maternity care providers (both ob-gyns and midwives) relative to births. In most other countries, midwives outnumber ob-gyns by severalfold, and primary care plays a central role in the health system. Although a large share of its maternal deaths occur postbirth, the U.S. is the only country not to guarantee access to provider home visits or paid parental leave in the postpartum period.”

They go on to add:

“In 2018, there were 17 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births in the U.S. — a ratio more than double that of most other high-income countries (Exhibit 1). In contrast, the maternal mortality ratio was three per 100,000 or fewer in in the Netherlands, Norway, and New Zealand.”

Let’s see what the statistics are for Blue Collar mortality:

“Today, the vast majority of working Americans are relatively safe in their work environment. Across all industries in both the public and private sectors, there were 3.6 deaths for every 100,000 full-time workers.”

Furthermore, I went through the list of the 25 most dangerous jobs in the USA in 2018.

Motherhood (17:100,000) was as dangerous as being a “miscellaneous farm worker”, or, in other words, being a pregnant woman in the USA is still as dangerous as being Juan Fulano from El Salvador picking tomatoes and strawberries (17.4:100,000).

Other “blue collar jobs” less dangerous than being pregnant?

Grounds maintenance workers (17:100,000); Shop Mechanic Supervisors (15:100000); construction workers/general labourers (15:100,000); police officer (14:100,000); HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRICAL WIRE INSTALLER(!!!!!!!!) (14:100,000); Taxi drivers (13:100,000); construction machinery operators (10:100,000), Electrician (10:100,000); Machinist/Machine Repair (9:100,000).

To wit, being pregnant in the United States is so dangerous that if it were a job, it would rank 10th in terms of on-the-job fatalities.

The only jobs more dangerous are: rancher, truck driver, steel worker, refuse/recyclables collector, roofers, pilots, and the dudes on Deadliest fucking Catch.

Black women.

To someone fleeing gang violence in El Salvador, the USA looks like a good bet.

unwanted lump of cells? get rid of it and you’re a murderer

If you don’t want to get the vaccine then fine but you’re putting yourself and other actual people at risk by not getting it. So no, you don’t get to be pissed that your mum’s angry at you because you’re choosing to put her at risk. You don’t get to be angry that you’re barred from certain places because they don’t want to risk you and other unvaccinated idiots coming in and infecting everyone (because yes, the vaccine does stop many infections and the ones it doesn’t stop tend to be less severe. It might also decrease transmission but that’s still debatable). You gave up that right when you decided that not getting a vaccine with side effects which are usually mild and last a couple of days was not something you wanted in your bloodstream. You gave up that right when you decided that you didn’t want to get a very safe vaccination to help protect yourself and others.

Tens of thousands of Black girls and women go missing every year. Last year, that figure was nearly 100,000. Yet their cases hardly ever grab national headlines.

A journalist in California is doing what she can to try to change that, by telling as many of their stories as she can — and hopefully helping them get the justice they deserve.

Our Black Girls centers on the often-untold stories of Black girls and women who have gone missing or, in some cases, were found dead under mysterious circumstances. Launched by journalist and activist Erika Marie Rivers in 2018, the website is a one-woman show: Rivers spends her nights combing missing persons databases, archived news footage, old articles and whatever other information she can find to piece together these stories. And she does it all after her day job.

Rivers, 39, has worked in entertainment journalism for more than a decade. For her regular job at a music news website, she works an evening shift from 4 p.m. to midnight — but her nights don't end there. After she finishes her first job, she dives into her second, often working on stories for Our Black Girls well into the night.

Since the website's inception three years ago, Rivers has published an article roughly every other day. It's a grueling schedule, but she keeps it up because, as she explains, she could have easily been one of these missing girls and women. Anyone could.

In so many of the stories that Rivers writes about, the victims are "walking down the street or they're going to the store or 'they'll be right back,' and they just disappear," she says. "It could happen to me at any time."

"And I know that there are a lot of stories like that about girls and women who look like me, so why am I not seeing them as much as I'm seeing everything else? And then it became, why am I waiting for somebody else to pick up this banner when I'm the one who's passionate about it?"

There are other blogs and organizations that focus on missing Black people, but as Rivers says, "I can do it, that's the point."

Each post on Rivers' site chronicles the story of how a Black girl or woman went missing — and provides a fuller picture of who she is and how much she is loved, based on information from friends and family.

Sometimes, victims' loved ones will reach out to Rivers to express their gratitude after seeing the post; often, they're frustrated by their local police department's lack of action and are just grateful that someone somewhere has noticed and cares.

Other people reach out because they're surprised they've never heard of a case, even though it's something that happened right in their town.

On one occasion, Rivers wrote about a man who had murdered an entire family, and the daughter of a woman killed by the same man in a separate incident reached out to her, hoping to share her mother's story, too.

Rivers hopes that publicizing these stories will reignite interest, and authorities will be forced to take another look.

"I don't want to be just the latest person who writes about these girls and these women," she says. "I want there to be an end to their story or an end to this chapter, whether we find out what happened, whether somebody got justice, whatever it is."

The media ignores missing Black and Indigenous women

Black girls and women go missing at high rates, but that isn't reflected in news coverage of missing persons cases. In 2020, of the 268,884 girls and women who were reported missing, 90,333, or nearly 34% of them, were Black, according to the National Crime Information Center. Meanwhile, Black girls and women account for only about 15% of the U.S. female population, according to census data. In contrast, white girls and women — which includes those who identify as Hispanic — made up 59% of the missing, while accounting for 75% of the overall female population.

In light of these numbers, the disproportionate media attention on missing white girls and women is glaring. Often described as "missing white woman syndrome," the term most recently made headlines when MSNBC host Joy Reid discussed the Gabby Petito case. Petito was reported missing after her boyfriend returned from a cross-country trip without her; her case attracted nationwide coverage but put a spotlight on the harsh reality that people in other demographic groups don't receive the same attention when they vanish.

Authorities converged in Wyoming to search for Petito and found her remains at a national park. In the same state, more than 400 Indigenous girls and women went missing between 2011 and the fall of 2020, according to a state report. Indigenous people made up 21% of homicide victims in Wyoming between 2000 and 2020, despite being less than 3% of the state's population. The disparity can be seen in the media: Only 18% of Indigenous female victims received coverage. However, among white victims, 51% were in the news.

To be clear, Rivers explains, it's not about asking for more attention or being in "competition" with white people — it's about other groups getting the same attention as white victims and having their lives honored in the same ways.

"I'm talking about getting investigations up to par with what is already going on," she explains. "And I think when we bring that awareness, especially when it comes to Indigenous women and with Black women, and we're like, 'Hey, we exist as well.' It's not to say stop searching for that white woman. It's like, search for our women as much as you do anybody else and make sure that whatever energy that you place into one case is the same energy that you place into others."

You can help support efforts to find the missing

Rivers isn't the only one trying to highlight these cases. Two Black women founded the Black and Missing Foundation in 2008 to bring attention to the thousands of Black people who go missing every day in the U.S. And podcasts like Crime Noir, Black Girl Gone and Black Girl Missing are working tirelessly to honor these stories as well.

There is power in forming community. "We really are our sister's keeper," Rivers says.

For others who want to be a part of the solution, Rivers suggests staying informed of what's happening, especially in your own community, and sharing the information that you do see. That can mean retweeting a missing person's alert or sharing it on Facebook. Contact your local news organizations and investigative agencies and ask for updates.

You can also support those who are doing the work through blogs and podcasts, as well as via Instagram accounts and Facebook groups dedicated to keeping people informed on the cases of missing Black girls and women.

However, Rivers warns against sensationalizing someone's real-life tragedy — an ever-present risk in the true crime community.

Remember that "these were actual human beings with families and with hopes and dreams and purpose," she says. "These are real humans that laughed, cried, smiled and did not expect to not see tomorrow, did not expect to vanish off the face of the Earth. And I want to make sure that they are respected and honored."

Every post on Our Black Girls ends the same: "She is our sister and her life matters." And that is something that must be remembered.

“There’s a form of voter intimidation that widespread and unacknowledged. It’s the husbands who bully and silence and control their wives, as witnessed by dozens of door-to-door canvassers across the country I heard from.

I started asking around and found that a lot of get-out-the-vote ground troops had witnessed various forms of such bullying, intimidation and silencing in relation to this election and in earlier elections, too.

Wives asked their husbands directly who the two were going to vote for. Many seemed cowed. Husbands answered the door and refused to let the wife speak to canvassers, or talked or shouted over her, or insisted that she was going to vote Republican even though she was a registered Democrat, or insisted there were no Democrats in the house because she had never told him she was one. 

A friend in Iowa told me, “I asked the woman who answered the door if she had a plan for voting, and a man appeared, behind her, and said, quite brusquely, ‘I’m a Republican’. Before I could reply, he shut the door in my face.”

Another friend reported, “A woman I texted in Michigan told me, ‘I am not allowed’ to vote for the candidate.” Many canvassers told me those experiences were common. “

“This ordinary, ugly scenario raises another question, about whether voting by mail takes away the privacy of the voting booth and the ability for women to act on their beliefs without consequences.”

Yes.

Literally yes.

I don't think you guys realize just how far perverts are willing to go. In fact, I'd argue that you have to be a certain level of dedicated to be considered a pervert and not just a creep or weirdo.

People will go through years of schooling to become a teacher or a doctor or a gyno just to put it all on the line in order to fuck around with their students or their patients.

An expensive ass education and years of their time just to lose all of it because they're perverse. I'm being kind here though because a lot of them don't just randomly decide to put their career on the line, oh no, some of these people choose to enter a field because of their perversion. They're so dedicated to imposing their evil on others that they'll choose a field that brings them closer to doing just that.

Switching gears to a different but related example:

It's well known that abusers in a relationship will often not show their true colors until their victim believes they're secure and that security is often marriage. Do you know how much you have to dedicate to a relationship in order to get someone to marry you? Do you know how expensive a wedding is? All of that dedication and money just so they can have a victim that can't easily leave their grasp.

Yes, the overwhelming majority of the people who fit what I said above are men but let's not ignore what TIF's have done to gay men.

Lou Sullivan is a perfect example of this. A woman who spent money to change her body and trick gay men into sleeping with her. She famously never let her partners see her genitals and only exposed herself as far as her ass during sex because she KNEW gay men wouldn't like the fact she had a vagina.

Even today, TIF's will spend thousands to change their body just so they pass as a "gay man" and so they can infiltrate the lgb community even though they don't belong.

Yes.

Literally yes.

I don't think you guys realize just how far perverts are willing to go. In fact, I'd argue that you have to be a certain level of dedicated to be considered a pervert and not just a creep or weirdo.

People will go through years of schooling to become a teacher or a doctor or a gyno just to put it all on the line in order to fuck around with their students or their patients.

An expensive ass education and years of their time just to lose all of it because they're perverse. I'm being kind here though because a lot of them don't just randomly decide to put their career on the line, oh no, some of these people choose to enter a field because of their perversion. They're so dedicated to imposing their evil on others that they'll choose a field that brings them closer to doing just that.

Switching gears to a different but related example:

It's well known that abusers in a relationship will often not show their true colors until their victim believes they're secure and that security is often marriage. Do you know how much you have to dedicate to a relationship in order to get someone to marry you? Do you know how expensive a wedding is? All of that dedication and money just so they can have a victim that can't easily leave their grasp.

For centuries, black women have been given little chances to shine in the limelight and be given the glamour treatment that white women have been awarded for as long. When they are given chances to shine they are often forced in very demeaning cliches like Sapphire, the Jezebel, the Mammy. While these stereotypes all entail different roles that white supremacy forces the portrayal of black women into it, here I am going to talk about the gross oversexualization of black women in the music entertainment industry. Namely, the ones that are most enjoyed by whites (I am very aware that the black dominated industries aren't any kinder to black women but I feel like it's been covered enough).

Wool was a huge industry in Europe in the middle ages. It was hugely in demand, particularly broadcloth, and was a valuable trade good. A great deal of wool was owned by monasteries and landed gentry who owned the land. 

And, well, the only way to spin wool into yarn to make broadcloth was by hand. 

This was viewed as a feminine occupation, and below the dignity of the monks and male gentry that largely ran the trade. 

So what did they do?

They hired women to spin it. And, turns out, this was a stable job that paid very well. Well enough that it was one of the few viable economic options considered ‘respectable’ outside of marriage for a woman. A spinster could earn quite a tidy salary for her art, and maintain full control over her own money, no husband required. 

So, naturally, women who had little interest in marriage or men? Grabbed this opportunity with both hands and ran with it. Of course, most people didn’t get this, because All Women Want Is Husbands, Right?

So when people say ‘spinster’ as in ‘spinster aunt’, they are TRYING to conjure up an image of a little old lady who is lonely and bitter. 

Is she wealthier than the average person? Yeah. No shit sherlock. But does she qualify...as RICH?? My fam...my guy....my bud.....the answer is simply No.

Aoc wants to tax the 1%. The people who can afford to buy space programs, influence elections and send countries to war.

She is not referring to...like....lil nas x here. Shes referring to jeff fucking bezos.

Rich weirdos like Elon Musk have to pay for their ticket. Randos who just really want to hobnob with the rich and famous definitely have to pay. Also, this isn't a for-profit event - it's a fundraiser for the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Costume Institute. It's very much not like, concert tickets or supermarket food with marked price tags.

The city of Philadelphia will pay $2 million to a Black woman who was pulled from a car, beaten by officers and had her toddler used for social media fodder by the police union, officials said.

Nursing aide Rickia Young was headed home in the early morning hours of Oct. 27, 2020, when she unknowingly drove into a large protest over the police killing of Walter Wallace Jr.

She tried to make a three-point turn to get away from the tense scene when officers smashed out her windows with their batons, according to her attorneys.

Young was handcuffed and separated from her teenage nephew and 2-year-old son for several hours, and no one was ever charged or cited, according to the woman’s lawyer. The hearing-impaired toddler lost his hearing aids during the tussle.

The Fraternal Order of Police, the nation’s largest police labor union, posted a Facebook picture two days later showing Young’s toddler in the arms of a Philadelphia police officer just after the incident.

Here's an explanation of why men feel the need to say #notallmen when we're talking about male violence. We already know most of these but the reminder is still good.

like i know this website is full of nerds who never played sports growing up but you are living in another plane of reality if you think the existence of “women’s sports” is because of misogyny. WOMEN’S SPORTS EXIST IN SPITE OF MISOGYNY. You can toss out all the examples you want of incredibly gifted women who could “beat the boys,” (women who were the best of the best) but for all intents and purposes, the end of women’s-only sports would mean the end of women in sports.

It genuinely has me shaken that Title IX is only a generation or so old - that my mother’s generation of girls was effectively barred from all team sports - and yet there are people today who are so out-of-touch with history and reality that they honestly think men “forced” women into their own sporting divisions, when in actuality it took women FIGHTING for their RIGHT to play sports, to have their own teams, to compete amongst themselves.

If you still use the male system to measure women’s worth, we are always going to fall short, so why not use a different metric?

But! My endurance? Is ridiculous. I can keep going so long that the 20 year old kids tell me they get tired just watching me go. Any one of them could beat me in a fair contest, but they cannot match my sheer staying power. And none of the guys can match my flexibility. These also are athletic qualities. I am capable of doing my sport under incredibly harsh conditions. And I have. The rules could have favored sheer endurance. They don’t. They could occur under harsher conditions. They don’t. The rules could be written to favor lower body strength over upper body strength. They aren’t.

So they deny them, sweep them under the rug, and dogpile on anyone who dares to bring them up.

The Right acknowledges differences and uses them to justify their bigotry.

The Left refuses to acknowledge differences and accuses anyone who does so of being a bigot.