I donât think a single other person read that headline and thought they were âencouraging women to somehow disable their fetuses in order to use them for organs.â Thatâs not why people find it incredibly disturbing and Iâm astounded those were the conclusions you drew and thought it needed to be corrected. No seriously where did you get the idea that it was being claimed that mothers were being told to disable unborn children so they could be harvested? That makes no sense, thatâs like the logic of Ricky from Trailer Park Boys who thinks that as long as you drag stolen goods down to the curb it becomes garbage and itâs not illegal to steal garbage. The very idea of a baby needing to be disabled in order to justify harvesting itâs organs should be offensive, it implies disabled people have less right to be alive and have their organs inside their own fucking bodies. The article title wasnât misleading your terribly needless strawman explanation of the title was misleading. This is the exact reason I hate âfact checkersâ you need fact checkers for the fact checkers they can be so bogged down in spin and semantics and dumb bullshit like this. The problem is with the harvesting of organs from disabled babies full stop. I didnât think this needed to be explained but here goes.
First of all it turns human life into a commodity, and not just a commodity but a commodity that would be controlled by the medical system of an increasingly fascist socialist government. What could go wrong?
Like for example it hasnât even happened yet and already there seems to be confusion about what exactly constitutes fatal defects. A system that always is going to want more organs is going to determine for themselves what is disabled enough? And what level of disabled is enough that you should be determined as scrap parts instead of a person? How do you know the baby will die? Doctors tell people their kids will be born dead or will die soon all the time that live full lives. One of my best friends parents were told he wouldnât make it past a few weeks and heâs in his late twenties now. Really glad this wasnât the policy back then.
âwill be given the option to carry out the birth, rather than terminate earlyâ No, carrying out the pregnancy has always been an option itâs the harvesting of organs that would be the new factor here. If itâs as you said that they are being given the option to carry out the pregnancy does that mean that right now women are being forced to have abortions? No giving birth is and always has been the default option. I find it gross that you think the only thing people do when they find out a baby will have serious defects is just abort it. These fatal defects represent a percentage chance of survival not a guarantee, so while yes a lot of people just say fuck it and abort at any sign of a problem there are also lots of people that take the risk give birth because worst case scenario the baby dies naturally best case scenario it survives. Medium case scenario it survives but raising it is costly and they have a lower quality of lifeâŚbut itâs still a life and it should be up to a person to decide if their quality of life is low enough that they would rather not have it at all.Â
The horrifying part is they are not talking about stillborns, theyâre not talking about babies that died in the womb. Theyâre talking about babies they believe will die eventually after being born. Who makes that determination? You trust the NHS⌠a system so shitty they amputate the wrong limbs on people to decide what babies are basically done for before theyâre even born. Especially when they will benefit from every single baby a parent decides to allow be harvested. If there is room for corruption there will be corruption.
 So what happens once those babies are born and theyâre alive? Do they start up a daycare center thats whole purpose is to wait for babies to die so they can be harvested? Iâm sure the care there would be super humane and hospitable. What do they do with the ones that survive? By that point they would have become property of the NHS because theyâre not babies theyâre just living organ donations that havenât had the courtesy to die naturally yet. Do they call up the mother and say hey so remember when you told us we could harvest your dead babyâŚwell can you come by and pick up your two year old⌠that fucker is being really stubborn about not dying like we promised. Or much more likely theyâll just kill the babies immediately to avoid that burden and complication and not give them the chance to survive. Iâve already heard the term post birth abortion or as someone with a soul left would call it baby murder.Â
They try to get around this by claiming the harvesting wont be an option until they are told the mother wants to have an abortion. What a great failsafe right? Well except that they can tell the mother whatever they want to get her to say she wants an abortion. They can tell her that her baby will definitely die when it might have a good chance of living. Which happens already without the added incentive of wanting to harvest the organs.
Where would the oversight be. The NHS is already overwhelmed you think thereâs going to be someone checking to make sure nobody is telling mothers their babies have fetal defects when they donât? You think the system is going to check every single case, especially when every single case is going to benefit them? What fairy tale world do you live in. Itâs the setup for a system where you give a doctor the power to say to himself this baby has a 10-60% chance of survival this mother is being a real bitchâŚand weâre in need of organs right nowâŚmaybe I tell her the lowest number in that estimate. Which is all it will beâŚfucking estimates. I have a member of my family that was pronounced dead four times and lived another twenty years. These people canât even figure out when a person is dead and you want to give them 100% authority to determine who will die. Fuck that, fuck this. If they do this there will be horror stories rolling out within the week.