Okay, so there's a bi lesbian that's anti good faith going around in mogai. Let me take a moment to go over ops response to people calling it out. Op doesn't list pronouns that I can find so I will be using "op".
This is a very one sided idea of history because it's ignoring all trans men who willingly identify as lesbians, those who didn't do it because of anyone else. I have been to multiple lesbian clubs, events, and areas where no one called trans men women, or misgendered any. Are there transphobic people who call trans men lesbians while meaning woman? Yes. Is that the entire concept of trans men lesbians? No. It's strange to imply every situation is inherently transphobic. Op is spreading the idea that any trans man who is a lesbian must be that way due to transphobia.
This is transphobic, which is funny since op calls trans men lesbians transphobic. "Female homosexuality" implies intersex women, trans women, and nonbinary people who aren't female can't be lesbians. Have we stopped understanding that the concept of calling lesbians a "females only club" is gross. Female also isn't a gender. You can't call it female homosexuality then say it's two genders loving the same gender. Sex โ gender.
I don't like implying that nonbinary is only included because they're a "dead space" of not fitting other places. I also don't like nonbinary people included when op called it female homosexuality, it's reinforcing the stereotype of nonbinary people being "women lite" or inherently a "female" thing.
Oh look, more transphobia and a lack of understanding on what these terms mean. Demi boys are boys, if one is a lesbian then that's a boy lesbian, them also being nonbinary doesn't erase the boy part. Multigender and genderfluid isn't just nonbinary. Multigender means multiple genders, genderfluid means the gender(s) are fluid. Those genders could be anything, genderfluid people can be men, multigender people can be men. You can't erase their identity and only validate one part of them, it's all or nothing. You either support the labels or you don't. There's also the part of saying binary trans men don't fall under the nonbinary label. What about trans men who are both binary men and nonbinary? I've met multiple. Are they only valid if they erase the man part and only say the nonbinary part? Or is that the wrong type of nonbinary for op. Does op have a very strict small definition for nonbinary and any spectrum that leaves the bubble is wrong? Most likely, given the lack of understanding for the labels mentioned.
This goes over what's said above but one part stuck out. Saying including trans men in lesbianism misgenders them. Why is that for op to decide? Trans men saying "lesbian fits me" is not misgendering themselves. This implies all trans men are 100% monogender he/him users. Trans men can use she/her, trans men can also be nonbinary, or agender, or genderfluid. And above all, shocking I know, men in general can be women at the same time. It isn't up to op to decide what's misgendering, it's up to the person using the label to decide what's misgendering them.
I am an example of a trans boy lesbian, I'm an intersex girlboy. I'm a trans woman that's also a man. Guess what, I'm not nonbinary, I'm a binary woman that's also a binary man. You can not remove my manhood from my womanhood, you can not remove my womanhood from my manhood. Am I transphobic? Am I misgendering myself? According to op I am.
Op also uses "non man" in some definitions which is an entire separate issue since non man has [ racist origins. ]. So that isn't helping op's case either.
