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It’s Camille’s time to shine
Jane Austen gets a lot of credit (correctly, obv) for writing banger romance and biting satire about class but I don't think we spend nearly enough time talking about how she absolutely clowns on vanity and self-importance.
I'm sorry but you absolutely cannot strip Jane Austen's work of Regency politics and social etiquette without the entire narrative collapsing into nonsense.
Modern writers need to stop treating Austen’s world like a generic, pretty fairy tale, and start remembering that her books were actually razor-sharp critiques of a brutal socioeconomic landscape with examinations of class, gender, power and money that are still culturally relevant today.
Historical inaccuracies in major published novels and period dramas bother me so much because I can't write a fan fiction that I know I'll post for free without being fairly certain I have the major facts right.
I'm writing a story right now that I probably won't post at all and I still spent a good hour and downloaded a research paper to figure out if women in feudal China were allowed to have baths during their periods. The answer is no, as I suspected, but I checked! I also learned about their version of pads which sound much better than European historical period solutions and kept reading long after I'd found my answer. It was all fascinating to learn about because history is interesting.
So I guess what I'm saying is, why write historical fiction or make a period drama if you aren't even interested in or in love with history? When I read Bernard Cornwell, for example, it feels like he's fascinated by the period he's writing about. No one seems strangely modern, but they all feel deeply human. I don't need a female character to point out sexism or patriarchy to me, it's obvious. I'm trusted to think about it for myself. The author trusts that I care as much as he does about the past.
I don't understand why you would produce historical fiction if you don't care about the past. Maybe I'm the wrong audience, maybe most people don't care, but I don't get it. And I don't expect everything to be perfect, we don't even know everything about even an era as recent as the Regency, but it doesn't even feel like some of these people care at all.

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which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
There is a significant lack of Revolutionary Generals in this one. LOL.
I may have to make my own, goddamn it.
Crap.
This is lowkey fair. I should add some generals . Who’s your fav?
Hoche should be in there, Kleber, Marceau, Jourdan, Houchard, Custine, Luckner (who was technically an ancien regime marshal), Serurier, Turreau (asshole), Lechelle, Rossignol, Dillon.... Canclaux, Dugommier, Dumouriez, Pichegru (traitor) Not sure which CSP/CSG members you got there but Billaud-Varenne, Vadier, Reubell, Barras, Tallien, Hentz, Hebert, Carrier would also be additions. Just sticking with the pre-1797 crowd - or even pre 1794 crowd to be honest.
The personalities on some of these are hard to find tbh - I scoured everything I could for the novel I’m writing about the Desmoulins but could barely find a thing on Dillon. I should read the entire letter to Dillon I guess…
My bad I don’t speak French
*winks* Not that difficult if you've been into the history since 1989 - Hoche should be especially easy (I am not being rude, let me think a bit and see if I can get a short synopsis on them for you. I'll try not to info dump. Maybe. /jk)
Dillon is interesting - I think, honestly - if you go to Internet Archive and snag Ramsay Weston Phipps' Armies of the First French Republic - a 5 volume series - in English - it should give you a good idea. It was written by Ramsay, his son, and his granddaughter - and I like that it's online now, because the books are hard to find. My copies are reprints done in the 1990s and even THOSE are crazy expensive now. As for the French - missing out on a lot of resources - there are translators available - my friend Yves Martin relies on DeepL for some of the languages that he does not speak for his historical research (his main subject being the Egyptian Campaign) Let me get you the links to the books: https://archive.org/details/armiesoffirstfre0000phip_u1b5/page/n7/mode/2up - this is the Armee du Nord. Phipps is an excellent writer, and writes with citations and all that, so he doesn't fall into the category of the "trust me bro" authors of the era. I may, myself, re-visit these as my summer read. Would be interested to see what you're writing, too - too little authors that deal with this era as a fictional historical context.
Thank you this is super useful actually! I love info dumps never fear, they’re my second favourite thing after internet archive 😂
Well I’m always looking for beta readers, although I should warn you the novel is mammoth currently…230k…hard to know what else to do with this period . I know it’s a bizarrely neglected period given the drama!
I’m big into military history as well but have more detail on the Napoleonic than revolutionary wars - I know the basics but my FRev research mainly centred on Paris . I’d love to extend the knowledge especially as the rev wars are so neglected…
which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
There is a significant lack of Revolutionary Generals in this one. LOL.
I may have to make my own, goddamn it.
Crap.
This is lowkey fair. I should add some generals . Who’s your fav?
Hoche should be in there, Kleber, Marceau, Jourdan, Houchard, Custine, Luckner (who was technically an ancien regime marshal), Serurier, Turreau (asshole), Lechelle, Rossignol, Dillon.... Canclaux, Dugommier, Dumouriez, Pichegru (traitor) Not sure which CSP/CSG members you got there but Billaud-Varenne, Vadier, Reubell, Barras, Tallien, Hentz, Hebert, Carrier would also be additions. Just sticking with the pre-1797 crowd - or even pre 1794 crowd to be honest.
The personalities on some of these are hard to find tbh - I scoured everything I could for the novel I’m writing about the Desmoulins but could barely find a thing on Dillon. I should read the entire letter to Dillon I guess…
My bad I don’t speak French
which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
There is a significant lack of Revolutionary Generals in this one. LOL.
I may have to make my own, goddamn it.
Crap.
This is lowkey fair. I should add some generals . Who’s your fav?
which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
The thing that pisses me off about bad period movie adaptations is when they go for a realist tone but don't care about what real people wore or thought. Like the tone is realist, the acting is realist, the colour palette is realist, and the clothes are things that real people at some point in time have worn. But they aren't accurate to the period, and it's just like. That's not a realistic depiction of the period or the people in it. So what's the point in being realist???
Incidentally, this is why I don't care that the recent Wuthering heights wasn't realistic period dress or society etc. It was blatantly symbolic (and Symbolic!) and wasn't trying for realism or period accuracy, so I don't criticise it for period inaccuracy. Like, who walks across the moors in a massive tulle gown in real life? No one ever, and that's the point. It's obviously performance, and that's what its going for. My criticisms are based on other criteria.
But this new adaptation of S&S seems realist - the colour palette and grading, the costumes and hair that aren't accurate but look like something real people at some point in time have worn, the characters that read like real(ish) modern women... It's trying to read as realist without being realistic and just. What's the point in setting it in the past then?? Why adapt Sense and Sensibility, a realistic realist novel, into an unrealistic realist movie?
I'm just so tired of earth tones being "realist." People wore bright clothes! The past wasn't drab, honestly it might have been brighter than now given our whole obsession with beige minimalism.
But no, it's not realistic unless it's BROWN and BORING
This is just modern minimalism imposed on the past. Just make a modern.
This is all just P&P 2005 recycled over and over
The thing I find particularly irritating is that they will then justify it with stuff like "and people didn't sit still for hours and hours to have their hair and makeup done everyday! stuff wasn't pristine because they lived in it! and those fashion plates only reflect the absolute top of society!" (as the writer for this adaptation did). Because it's like,
a) If you are doing Jane Austen, you are doing the top of society, percentage-wise. Stop lying to yourself. (Even the Dashwoods. They're poor in comparison to their previous situation but they still have incomes and more to the point, their old clothes.) They have servants. There is someone waiting to help them change clothes.
b) Oh my god it does not take hours to twist someone's hair up and stick a comb in it, and cosmetics were minimal. The alternative to pristine is not "full blown mess".
c) Have you ever heard of this marvelous technology, "cotton printing"? It had been around in Europe for about a century by the Regency and recent technological advances had made printed cotton even more affordable by 1800, such that basic prints were quickly becoming the cheapest and most common fabrics among the poor and middle class. The more you know!
You are very correct!
I feel completely spoiled by Chinese period dramas/historical fantasy because they embroider/decorate/print EVERYTHING. None of this B.S. minimalism. It's like how much embroidery and beading can we fit on a single outfit if we try our very best
Black and white outfits but with so much texture going on
Even more simple outfits have nice decoration
And Europe had lots of silk by Jane Austen's time, it's not just a fabric issue (Europe has had silk forever, to those of varying degrees of wealth, but these are the wealthy as you point out). But no, Hollywood thinks the past must be boring and minimalist and earth toned.
Bridgerton is much closer to what I showed above and honestly even though it's historical fantasy at least we get some colour and bedazzling... Emma 2020 was the perfect middle ground to me.

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which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
i mean yeah, my superiors indeed are imbeciles and ive contemplated staging a coup in my workplace
Wishing you all the good luck!
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replica by alessio carnevali // st. mary magdalene from the santa lucia triptych, painted c1470 by carlo crivelli
No one would fight for Dion, when he gave, as his own soul saw it, his very life for justice. But for this boy they will die, whether he is right or wrong; he need only gaze at them with that blue fire and say, "My friends, I believe in you." How many of us, like Thettalos, I suppose, and me, will follow this golden daimon, wherever he calls us to show him gods and heroes, kindling our art at his dreams and his dreams at our art, to Troy, to Babylon or the world's end, to leave our bones in barbarian cities? He need only call.
— The Mask of Apollo, Mary Renault

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Do I have 19,990 unfinished drafts on various interesting topics (imo)? Naturally.
Is there an unfinished Bonchamps in the room judging me? Of course there is.
Did I spend 50 minutes sketching what I choose to believe is Lucille in charcoal because I randomly found an old charcoal set? Of course I did.
which French revolutionary are you
This was actually better than I remembered…it just gets weirder as it goes on idk what I was thinking 😂. No one but @anotherhumaninthisworld is getting all the references
This is fucking hilarious