People who say Bonnie wasn't ruthless enough to be with a Mikaelson (mainly Klaus) truly forgot how her relationship with Luka Martin went down
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People who say Bonnie wasn't ruthless enough to be with a Mikaelson (mainly Klaus) truly forgot how her relationship with Luka Martin went down

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Rewatched Elijahs introduction episode because I haven't rewatched the first seasons of The Vampire Diaries in years and holy shit I did not remember the strong chemistry with Elena???
Shipped them harder in one scene than I've ever shipped her with any of the Salvatore brothers or shipped him with any other of his love interests (except Celeste and Gia, Celeste poisoning him with a kiss was peak).
If Mikael and Esther, in a unanimous vote, had to sacrifice one child, who would it be?
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If Klaroline fans had to read Caroline being written the way Camille gets written in so many Klaroline fics, people would absolutely lose their minds.
And before anyone starts, this is not about hating Caroline. This is not even about whether Caroline or Camille is a better character.
It's about the fact that a lot of Klaroline fic writers turn Camille into a jealous, bitter, insecure obstacle whose entire existence revolves around being threatened by Caroline. Half the time she's so out of character that I genuinely wonder why she's even included. If you're going to reduce her to a cardboard cutout, just leave her out of the story.
What's funny is that if Klamille fans collectively started writing Caroline the exact same way, as a jealous ex, a petty rival, or an annoying obstacle standing in Camille's way, the backlash would be immediate. People would be furious.
So all I'm saying is keep the same energy. If it's acceptable to flatten Camille into a stereotype for the sake of your ship, then don't be shocked when people point out how ridiculous it looks when the roles are reversed.
Personally, I think both characters deserve better than being turned into jealous caricatures just to prop up a romance.
Some fans treat Elena and Tyler like they personally stole their firstborns

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I would mother the hell out of Elena, Bonnie and Caroline
Jesus christ they're NEVER beating the incest allegations
I truly think klamille would have been more popular if Leah was as famous as Candice and Phoebe were back in the 2010s, who already had a established fan base by the time The Originals came out.
On the other side of the wooden doors was a different kind of reception. The pale boy in the pearl gray suit could have been Jane's twin. His hair was darker, and his lips were not as full, but he was just as lovely. He came forward to meet us. He smiled, reaching for her. "Jane."
"Alec," she responded, embracing the boy. They kissed each other's cheeks on both sides. Then he looked at us.
"They send you out for one and you come back with two... and a half," he noted, looking at me. "Nice work."
She laughed.
alec and jane. the twilight saga: new moon.
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I need your thoughts on the βhowever long it takesβ promise/threat that Klaus made to Caroline so badly
Hi, anon! This was a lot of words. I hope you don't mind, I couldn't help myself.
That promise is not romantic in the slightest, and honestly, it comes off as creepy and obsessive to me. People see it in mostly a romantic way because the line is delivered by Klaus, who is very charming when he wishes to be, and tied to the fantasy of a epic, immortal love between two very popular and loved characters. The line is romantized because of the way it's presented rather than what it's actually being said. It's nothing new shippers see that line as Klaus saying he's gonna love Caroline for whatever it's left of his immortality, rather than seeing it as what he's actually saying, which it's "you will end up with me no matter the time, no matter who you love in between". The quote wasn't a declaration about Caroline's choice, but a declaration of his intention.
The issue in however long it takes is it centers his desire, his intent to be her last love, which is certainly selfish. It removes her agency, and it assumes a future for her he envisioned already without caring what she wants for herself, or the option she may not want him to be her last love. I agree Klaus projecting his desires into other people is one of his most repetitive character traits, but it doesn't take away from the red flag in what he told her. He quite literally treated her romantic life as something he gets to define. If he intends to be her last love, it already implies all her other possible partners are temporary, just her placeholders, which practically reads as her entire romantic life being just a path headed towards him.
People point to his grand speeches as proof that he understood her, and knew her in a way no one else could ever achieve, but when they meet again years later and Caroline reflects in their relationship, she basically says the opposite. She literally tells him she never felt herself, relaxed or safe around him, which it's a huge statement. It raises the question of how, if someone doesn't feel themselves around you, can you claim to actually know them? Her next words are even more interesting, because she brings up the reason she believed he ever looked at her was because of what she represented to him. She's basically questioning whether Klaus loved her or what she symbolized to him.
And everyone who follows me or has read my posts regarding klaroline, knows what I already believe. A lot of Klausβs feelings regarding Caroline seem tied to what she represented in his life: light, the chance of being saved, innocence, and maybe even hope. Despite his many speeches about his feelings towards her, her feelings towards him, and what they bring out in each other, the narrative establishes he doesn't really understand her as a person.
Which is why I find his reply to her in this scene of The Originals so telling. (CF: No. But... I do think that I represented something for you back then. Like, something... innocent, that reminded you of a part of yourself that you lost and wished that you could get back. If we'd never met until now, I wonder if you'd even notice me. KM: It would be impossible not to notice you, Caroline. Your essence would hover around me... harangue me until I did). He doesn't actually answer her, instead of addressing her doubts he chooses to give her another charming speech about her essence being impossible to ignore (which we can debunk, by the way). It sounds pretty, but he completely ignores the point she was trying to make.
So, anon, whenever I hear however long it takes, all I see is Klaus once again projecting his own narrative in a girl who never stated if she wanted it. It's less about who Caroline is, and more about the role Klaus wants to play in her life.
+ (I also believe Klaus pretty much revoked his promise when he told Caroline he'd walk away and never come back. I hate to bring him up because he despicable, but from reading Joseph's interview regarding the klaroline hookup, he believed the same and thought they'd never see each other again.)
Um, Klaus & Cami didnβt have sex in 3x10. Not sure where you got that from. The episode is right there for everyone to watch. JM even confirmed in a panel they didnβt have a sexual relationship, so why lie?
Maybe it wasn't your intention, anon, but the message feels a little bit filled with attitude. But I never confirmed anything, I don't know why you feel the need to lie for me.
Okay, let's answer your question. Like many other klamille shippers, I got the impression Klaus and Cami had sex due to the last scene of the episode: Klaus goes to her house, sees her drinking blood, and they have a conversation that ends with her grabbing his jacket and pulling him in, being clearly turned on and both of them smirking at each other. The next episode starts with her, for some reason, having slept over at the compound and we learn Klaus gifted her a daylight ring. 3x10 does clearly imply it... it's a headcanon. I will also not take Joseph seriously when it comes to klamille, considering how he has spoken about the ship.
Happy pride to all of the mikaelsons who are all varying levels of homosexual π³οΈβπ

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Could we take the scene of Marcel saying Cami broke Klaus's heart as canon considering word did spread and Klaus had Hayley take care of her...
I'm with you. Klamille racking up a fanbase even while its so hated is impressive
Because the issue was never the source material but people's pre conceived desires. TVD is the more popular show so klaroline will always be more well known. They are also popular, and the writers fed into them in s4, never shutting the door, knowing that Klaus would be going to New Orleans and getting a love interest. It always happens. Angel had love interests when he was spun off from Buffy. But everyone continued to feed the delusions. Then to get Hayley to be the lead, they slammed her and Klaus together, literally. Was a baby absolutely needed for TO? I've seen arguments for, and against (I tend to lean towards no). So now you have 2 ships going into a spinoff. Cami was set up from the jump. Plus Leah didn't have a fanbase from previous work like Phoebe, and she wasn't a regular on a show before hand like Candace. She had no idea what she was getting into and basically NO ONE stood up for her. The shit she got was VILE and unjustified. TO fans who weren't shippers turned a blind eye or encouraged it. Leah's looks were picked apart, she received death threats, media with biased fangirls added to the dogpile, at cons reporters and fans would ignore her. The only person who got it worse was Kat Graham. This despite the character being well written, and her being one of the best actresses not only in tvdu but the entire network.
Cami is a unique character in tvdu. She is a female character in her twenties, but she wasn't supernatural. She wasn't a physical fighter, and had no magic powers. She is a smart ass, but she didn't have generic bitchy one liners. Cami was used as the audience surrogate in s1 for people who hadn't watched tvd. AND Klaus Mikaelson loved her.
The dissonance between what was onscreen and the backlash online is insane. You have a quality ship, good actors, and in the show everyone loves Cami. But online you'd think she ended feminism and was the antichrist. I just wish everyone stood 10 toes down OUTSIDE of the show and told the haters to go to hell because they never affected the shows ratings, and they kept watching anyway. They should've taken a page out of Daniel Gillies book and trolled them back.
When you peel back everyone's hatred and criticism, it comes down to them being mad Klaus acted "ooc" or he wasn't with their preferred woman. Including his sister, yes I'm being serious. Because some of these "good faith criticisms" you can apply to not only other female characters, but characters in general not just on TO but tvdu.
Yes klamille is a top tier amazing ship and them having fans despite an incessant hate train and being introduced later is outstanding.