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season 4: a retrospective (pretend its still 2025)
all right so it's been a minute since i've written about ososan and specifically karamatsu. i apologize, because i know many of you followed me for my kara ramblings. that said, i wanted to give a brief retrospective on the 4th season and my thoughts on it after everything.
So I had long talked about how I thought we would get some huge emotional payoff at the end of the season. Did we get that?…. Kinda. I like to think that the chibita episode was an emotional payoff, because it was a very logical place for his character to go considering not only what we know about him from ososan, but also osokun
its a nice callback to s1 and the root of his character being someone who has an endless propensity for generosity, even at the expense of his own needs.
that being said, the main mystery of s4 was where the hell episode 13 was. my theory was that it was meant to be the last episode of the series and they couldn't really air it because it would close off any possibilities of continuing the show. i think this theory has some merit considering the fact that staff have expressed a desire to continue until we have 6 seasons.
(i THINK it was this event where they talked about it but I could be wrong, i do know that matsubara has said he wants to make it to 6 seasons tho)
but i think at this point, i'm not sure where they want to take the anime from here. i mentioned earlier that i believed this season was meant to be a reprieve from the pacing of past seasons. as the anniversary season, it was meant to hark back to the vibes of osokun rather than ososan.
(yes i know its supposed to be the 80s version but the grey outfits this season felt like a callback to the 60s black and white)
I initially thought that we would get right back into the swing of things with the next season. going back to a more s3-esque tone. that being said, it's been a few months now and we haven't really gotten much in terms of announcements regarding a 5th season, and so my hope is starting to dwindle a bit.
now, one thing that i can say confidently about this season was that it was not meant to bring in new fans. rather, it was meant to be for already existing fans and as an appreciation for the original manga. the reality is that ososan shed most of its audience after it took forever for s3 to come out and many hated it. it shed even more of its fans when s3 ended and they basically ghosted us after that (with the exception of the movies).
with that in mind, i can't fault the remaining fans for wanting... more out of this season. with how long we waited, i think it's reasonable to expect that we would get something worth the wait. and don't get me wrong, there were some episodes that i really really loved this season and bits that got some real hearty laughs from me.
while much of the humor lacked that signature ososan bite, i found myself laughing at a lot of the bits (save the idiot series, that was rough). i'm not really sure if it was censorship, but this season definitely felt much cleaner that previous seasons. i personally didn't mind the lack of dirty humor as much as others did, but i definitely felt its absence.
on a personal note, we also got some really fun karamatsu moments that i enjoyed as well
but the reality is that, as a season, it was not the strongest. i think that without a strong closer, you're left feeling underwhelmed. there was meant to be a great last episode to wrap up an overall goofy season. in the same way that s1 ep 24 slapped us in the face with its drama and angst, you're left wanting that same level of writing quality for the finale here. summer is over. the haze that the summer heat left behind washes away as fall approaches and as does your time with the sextuplets. and with that, the series would be over.
it's tough to make an objective evaluation of the season knowing that it's missing what likely would have made it much better. i am of the opinion that a good ending can partially make up for deficits in the show if it leaves you with a good taste in your mouth. while not completely, if you're left feeling contented in the end, it can help dissipate some of the negative emotions you felt previously. without that ending though, there's no such catharsis.
most of us had expected the season to be more slice of life oriented, with it being a summer of stupidity. but it felt less "day in the life" like season 3 was and more cartoony, wacky hijinks behind the scenes, if that makes sense.
the reason i keep going back to season 3 is because i felt that was where we last left off in terms of the tone of the show. takoyaki party had also felt more slice of life, the bits were more grounded in reality compared to the otherworldly (hahahaha get it) bits we got this season.
i can't imagine that they could continue like this, especially because summer is over. what would they return to if not season 3 or maybe season 2? i know that matsubara has said that he wants people to forget season 1 and embrace the change, but this season felt like it lacked a distinct voice. it had one foot in ososan, one foot in osokun, and a third in something else entirely, unable to commit to anything.
i truly wonder where they are going from here. matsubara is trying to find his footing with what he wants to do with the sextuplets now that he kinda doesn't feel the need to live up to expectations from season 1. after all, most people that are watching now are hardcore fans and he doesn't have to worry as much about new ones.
i'm curious to know what you guys think. i haven't been on here as much because life is so much busier, but now that the dust has settled, what are people's thoughts about s4 and the future of ososan? i'd love to know
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ok, so some of you may know that shu matsubara, the head writer of ososan, also wrote for gintama. but did you guys know that he also has a music project that he works on called charisma house?
*important disclaimer before i continue*: charisma house deals with some very triggering topics in a very facetious manner, namely suicide. another aspect of charisma house that is problematic is fascist/imperialist imagery in a few of the music videos. this includes rising sun-like imagery and nazi-adjacent imagery in one of their music videos (no outright hate symbols, but still similar enough). this is inexcusable and many fans have drawn attention to how unacceptable the usage of such imagery is, regardless of intent. there is nothing in the actual series that alludes to antisemitism or imperialism and i'm pretty sure matsubara has nothing to do with the music videos. however, i think it's important to acknowledge these things before talking about the characters. consume charisma house at your own risk.
ok, so as a few of you know, i first watched ososan in 2020 and liked it, but never really got into the fandom in any capacity. at the same time, i was really into hypnosis mic, which is a multimedia music project created by king records. in 2023, hypnosis mic was in a lull and people were starting to talk about charisma house, which is hypnosis mic's cousin franchise (they're both produced by king records)
so in 2023, i started watching all of the "episodes" of charisma house on youtube and really enjoyed it. I put episodes in quotations because if anything, they're mainly just glorified drama tracks with bare bones editing to show which character is talking, there's no real animation involved.
at the time, i knew vaguely that matsubara was the head writer of charisma house and also the ososan guy. when charisma house season 2 came to a close, soon after season 4 of ososan was announced and the rest was history.
i recently decided to rewatch charisma house and my god, the humor is so much more similar to ososan than i originally thought. you could take some of the bits from charisma house and plaster the sextuplets faces onto it and it would be near indistinguishable. despite the characters being very different from the sextuplets, it's their dynamics with each other that is very reminiscent to ososan. also both are basically about 6-7 (haha) eccentric dudes living together that are all seen as outcasts by society and the bonds they form with each other.
so this post is basically a fun little comparison between the sextuplets and the charisma house character they are most similar to.
rikai and choromatsu
ok so these 2 are your straight man/tsukkomi characters, except they also fulfill a really fun archetype that i think matsubara really likes to write: straight man that is secretly the most unhinged/crazy one of all. it's funny because choro becomes more unhinged as time goes on whereas rikai mellows out and becomes less aggressive. these 2 are the most similar of all the characters i feel.
they are both really obsessed with the idea of being proper, but in rikai's case he wants to maintain order. they are also both virgins and get flustered very easily around women. in most cases, they play the role of the straight man who eventually starts yelling at everyone. There are a few key differences between them though. choromatsu is much more caught up with appearances and so he'll say what seems appropriate in order to maintain the appearance that he's a proper person in society. rikai is fully aware that others view him as odd, but sticks to his guns regardless. his form of tsukkomi is rooted in his own beliefs and convictions, rather than being normal or proper.
Amahiko and Karamatsu
these two are also very very similar in terms of their dynamics with the other characters. both are disliked at first because their respective schticks are seen as annoying (bordering harassment in amahiko's case). with kara, it's his cringe factor. with amahiko, it's his perversion. they are stubborn in their beliefs, never bending despite the backlash they receive. kara is still narcissistic/cringey, though less so now (barely at all in the 4th season, but that's by design i think) and amahiko never stopped being a pervert (this is a compliment to him, i'm using this term neutrally lol).
eventually though, everyone comes around to their idiosyncrasies, though they still have their moments where others call them out on how painful/perverted they are. another fun detail is that they both have trademark bad english phrases.
one key difference is that amahiko, while closed off, doesn't have that characteristic exclusiveness that kara has. he's pretty much an open book, at least compared to some of the other characters. kara is also more concerned about his role within his family and his desire to be a kind and cool older brother than amahiko is about his role within the house. amahiko doesn't have that same fandom dilemma of whether the nice things he does are sincere, he's just an overall good dude and doesn't concern himelf with how he appears to his housemates.
Ichimatus and Ohse
So, whats funny about these two is that they are basically the same character at their core, but in opposite directions. Both characters are driven by their intense self-hatred, which motivates their actions and the way they interact with other characters. However, where ichimatsu expresses his self loathing through aggression to people who care about him, ohse directs all that aggression towards himself and actively attempts suicide whenever he feels he inconvenienced someone (which is all the time).
Another way they converge is that, while they both care deeply about their friends/brothers, ohse plays a very active role in reaching out to them and attempting to help them, whereas ichimatsu takes the backseat and observes. While he does go out of his way to help them (like shaving his head to make them laugh), he would never say that’s why he’s doing it.
Ohse is very direct and often says what others will not. They both approach these issues in the name of self-hatred, ichimatsu won’t actively reach out to his brothers because he thinks of himself as trash and tries to live up to his perception of himself, by acting badly towards his brothers. Ohse believes himself to be human garbage, but he’ll go out of his way to ask his friends about their problems because he doesn’t see himself as a peer to them.
todomatsu and terra
So these two are similar less in their character but more in vibe and their dynamics with the others. Both are very blunt and dry, but they’re honest and speak their mind, often playing the straight-man role. They’re also very self-centered, terra to a ridiculous degree, but todo in the sense that he’s willing to sacrifice his other brothers for his own sake.
They both speak in a very feminine manner and are very feminine in their aesthetics. You could give miyu some of terra’s lines and slap todos face on it and there would be no difference. However, while they’re both blunt, they both have their own lives independent from their housemates and are very capable. Terra being the only one with a confirmed job (fashion designer) and todo being the only one with a part time job. They’re also very concerned with their appearance….I lied, these two are basically the same actually.
So now we’re getting to muddied waters where the characters are becoming less and less similar to each other. Lets start with the basics, Fumiya and Oso are both the definitive “leader” characters. They both have their quirks that are easily understandable by their peers (oso loves beer and gambling, fumiya loves sweets). However, they both have an air of mystery, fumiya much more than oso, but both conceal their true thoughts and feelings.
They’re also both very blunt and can be manipulative to others, using them for money. Now here are the big differences: fumiya is the youngest of the group by far (he’s 19 and the others are 21-30). Fumiya is also far more subdued and monotone than oso, who is loud and obnoxious (said with love).
However, in terms of their dynamics with the others, they both take the role as the “trouble maker” in a sense. Where they drag the others into crappy situations and they are fed up with them by the end of it.
uh... jysuhi, iori, and saru?
Okay… now we’re admittedly beginning to grasp at straws here. I think the only real similarities these two very different characters have with jyushi are that saru is the crazy wildcard character who plays the role of the straight man. Iori also has a very jyushi-like sense of mania and insanity at times that scares the other characters. Something fun though is that unlike jyushi and ichi, iori and ohse are always at odds with each other because they both want to be inferior to the other.
So there may be a few reasons why matsubara wrote the characters like this. For one, there’s a chance that king records wanted to grab a couple osomatsu san fans with characters that were juuuuust similar enough to the sextuplets for them to appeal to the same audience. That said, i don’t see too many ososan fans that are also fans of charisma house, so that was a flop.
Another reason could be that these are just the dynamics that matsubara is used to and enjoys writing, so that’s what he did. It would make sense, as he can write these characters however he wanted without worrying about a huge fanbase’s perception of it, especially because charisma house is relatively new.
I think something very plausible is that king records may have wanted to phone it in that this franchise is kind of the “unserious” anti-idol project, so introducing somewhat scummy characters that resemble even scummier characters that we know and love is a smart move.
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Ultimately, i think that if you miss some of that characteristic ososan humor, charisma house might be a good option for you if you’re comfortable with the disclaimer above. A great difference between ososan and charisma house is that you get to watch all of these characters get closer to one another as time goes on and eventually become friends, whereas with ososan their dynamics do change but they’ve already known each other since forever. The friendships in charisma house are very fun and you get that sweet found family vibe with them. Thats something you can never have with ososan, because the sextuplets will never be friends and their family was found in the womb.
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Does anyone here know charisma house? Would it be worth it to finish my post about the parallels between ososan and charisma house (matsubaras other work)?
I guess uh… I guess this week episode 12.5 is airing? I haven’t seen anything yet but it looks like episode 13 is still being made… idk what to say this is so messy 😭😭
At least the art by the character designer is pretty
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