Hi! I wanted to ask something about Carol and Dess' relationship (as far as we can guess)
I saw your posts about how Carol was most probably never nice, and how Dess was planning to run away anyway. But after seeing a post of @ouramateur, I'm kinda thinking of this: What if it's a mix of Carol not understanding Dess, and Dess being a bratty teenager?
I mean, Carol bought her lots of instruments (that are now messed up), so she most probably noticed her taste for music, and also, as much as we might think Asgore is unreliable, I'd really like to think that him saying "She's nice when you get to know her" is not just him spouting a big fat lie (because that would be sad). I think Carol spoiled her a lot, and either Dess became bratty because of it, or Carol didn't understand what her daughter really wanted, which caused them to argue (so in the end, Carol is still partly responsible).
And Dess, well, she was a teenager, a rowdy one at that from what we can guess. I don't think it's impossible that the two fought over stuff, and that Dess felt impulsive and said she would take Noelle away to the big city, lot's of kids have ran away from their parents after a dispute.
Ps: This is me coping/praying for the "Flawed but well-meaning pre-dessaperence Carol which slowly rotted her into what she is and how she badly she seems to be ready to treat people to get her child home" version of the events by the way, do not take this too seriously.
Also, how do you see the game ending for her? And the Holidays in general?
Love!
I have been and always will be a fan of "dess was kind of a shitty person" interpretations. though.. not to get "too real"; I am a firm believer that the environment you are raised in is going to heavily impact who you are as a person. there's not really a world to me where how dess acts is not a direct result of how she is treated by her parents (and truthfully I can't really get into a discussion on "fault" without going on a tangent about, like, the real world structure of The Family, which I'm not really equipped to do and also would probably be far too serious for a silly deltarune post)
suffice it to say, dess' actions are as a direct result of how carol and rudy (and the other people in her life, of course) interacted with and raised her. I do think that she was "spoiled" to a certain extant, insofar as she was a Rich Kid who probably got basically whatever she wanted (I mean, did you see her CD collection? her inexplicable piles of shoes and expensive music equipment in her closet? I don't think she was left wanting for any material possessions), but I also think carol was always at least somewhat controlling in a way that would only become exacerbated later by dess' disappearance.
I think a lot about how noelle's appearance is enforced ("if you can get my mom to let me go grimdark?" "never seen noelle wear anything like this...?"), which I imagine was not a recent development. but I also think about how dess, noelle, kris, and asriel were allowed to do things like explore the forest or go to the graveyard at night together - or, at least, weren't so heavily monitored that it was impossible for them to do. so I think that dichotomy is kind of indicative of the change carol underwent post-dessappearance.
carol strikes me as someone who very much falls into the archetype of the, like, expectant parent. she's unwilling to view her daughters as their own people who can make their own decisions, and instead decides that she knows what's best for them (especially if the way queen treats noelle is anything to go by; which, hopefully we can agree, it is). she almost certainly became more of a helicopter parent after dess' disappearance, but I imagine she's always wanted her family to present a very uniform image - something dess in particular was very uninterested in.
I don't think I ever posted it here..? but a few months ago on the DUMB I mentioned how I read the flavor text associated with some of her instruments ("a violin, a flute, a microphone... / they all look very expensive, and very dented.") as kind of representative of this relationship. "violin" and "flute" don't really strike me so much as instruments dess would be interested in, certainly not interested in over things like her guitar or the drumset in her closet, and they're also presented as things she took very poor care of. these always read to me as instruments that carol felt were more "in line" with her expectations of her daughter, that she gifted to her as a way to "subtly" encourage her towards hobbies that she approved of. which dess was very much not a fan of, hence the poor condition. the microphone is an obvious standout in this case, so I definitely won't claim that that's the only reading one could have (certainly, I believe that dess was probably pretty careless with and had very little respect for random objects in general), but it does feel in line with their (speculated) relationship.
I definitely think you're right on the money about dess being impulsive. she's such an #ADHDqueen ("a rowdy and dirty girl"), and I think it's clear that she hated feeling controlled (which, of course, works well with all the wider themes in deltarune of autonomy and disempowerment). I would not be surprised if she and carol fought often, and if dess stated more than once her desire to leave hometown forever and never see carol again (perhaps directly to carol, perhaps only to the people she was closer with like asriel and noelle; though, clearly, in noelle's case it would have been softened a bit, becoming more "I want to take you somewhere else, somewhere nice", likely with only an implied "and never come back" that noelle missed as a child). her desires to be a musician ("posters for shows that may or may not have ever happened") almost certainly played into her desire to leave quiet little hometown as well. I doubt there were many people who really appreciated the kind of music she wanted to make, and I think she would have known that she would never "make it big" living in hometown, especially if carol had any say in it.
how cognizant carol was/is about how she hurt(s) her daughter(s) is up for debate - but I think I'm of the opinion that she's aware on some level that dess was in pain/noelle is in pain now, but she's not aware of the full extant to which she has hurt them, and thinks of herself as only ever doing what's "best" for them in the long term (even if it's something she knows will hurt them in the short term). this is where I think her parallels to queen could come to a head, with noelle standing up to her and telling her exactly how much her actions have hurt her, and insisting on her own personhood separate from how carol views her. I don't think carol will take this as well or accept it as quickly as queen does, but I'm confident that she will be given the opportunity to grow and change, and that she will (eventually) acknowledge noelle (and dess) as her own person that she cannot force to enact her own will.
truly the ending of deltarune is a mystery to me, as I think it could go many, many different ways, but for how I think the holidays will end up.. well, at the very least, I think we can expect that they won't be so frozen in the past anymore. I expect noelle to grow much more confident. I hope that, no matter what form dess takes (if she takes any at all), she is done being treated like an idealized past to return to. and also, I hope that rudy lives.. I think it would be nice if there was at least one universe where he got to live a full life. really, I hope that they're all happy (or, at least, that they could be, one day)