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More than "here in the Southern Hemisphere we have inverted seasons :)" thing, which is TECHNICALLY true, I would go a step further and encourage to think about that "much of the world does not exactly has a spring-summer-fall-winter season sequence as they show in cartoons"
I will scream about this to anyone who listens forever. AUSTRALIA DOES NOT HAVE "ENGLISH SEASONS BUT BACKWARDS" and the insistence that it does creates a massive layer of alienation from the natural world.
I never really realised how much difference it makes until I went to England and realised that here the change of seasons is an obvious, visible, physical change in the world. Like, everything REALLY IS orange and foggy in autumn! In spring there are flowers EVERYWHERE, so much more than any other season, and the trees really do have all blossom and no leaves. Even if it doesn't snow, in winter there's frost all the time and the trees are bare and the sky is visibly greyer all the time. You don't need to be told "this date is the first day of spring", you can SEE IT (although this is getting way messier and less precise due to climate change).
By contrast, most places in Australia the seasons we're taught feel like arbitrary categories - and is it any surprise considering they're colonial constructs? Orange-leaved autumn and blossom-covered spring is a cartoon stereotype with no relevance on a continent where ALL NATIVE TREES ARE EVERGREEN!! Snowy winters are a joke in the desert, and even sunny summers don't ring particularly true considering that much of the country is in the tropics, where summer means monsoons - not that I've ever seen the concept that WE HAVE A MONSOON SEASON taught at an Australian school.
Most Indigenous nations around Australia had six or more seasons, revolving around wet and dry times as much as hot and cold, and marked by the appearances of certain native animals and flowers. Schools need to start teaching the real seasons, and explaining that climate cycles are too complex to generalise globally, or else we will keep raising generations who view the natural world as hostile and unpredictable and climate predictions as generally irrelevent and frequently wrong - and I'm sure I don't need to spell out why that's a problem in the era of climate crisis.
i want to add that 40% of the world's population lives in the tropics, and the 4 season model just doesn't make much sense for a lot of places in there. usually it's just the wet season/monsoon season and the dry season. it's often hot year round.
the 4 season model as you and i know it is a european invention, though 4 season models aren't unique to europe! most notably china has the same type of season subdivision.
in general the way humans define seasons is largely subjective and varies across cultures. the one you were taught is not at all universal!
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So we've all heard of the "I Want Song" genre in musicals.
But what about the "Let's talk about the bitch behind their back like they're not in the room" song, or "singing s*** behing a bitche's back". There's a surprising amount of them.
"Belle" from Beauty and the Beast
"Scrooge" from Muppet Christmas Carol
"Maria" from The Sound of Music
"Look at Me I'm Sandra Dee" from Grease
"You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" from How The Grinch Stole Christmas
"Jackass In a Can" from Galavant
"Phony King of England" from Robin Hood
"Stepsister's Lament" from Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella
"Non-Stop" from Hamilton
And, of course, the man, the myth, the legend...
"We Don't Talk About Bruno" from Encanto
You can learn a lot about a character and story from what they sing versus what other people sing about them.
"Jack's Obsession" from The Nightmare Before Christmas
Basically it's Hollywood's rendition of the Chorus in Ancient Greek plays: a bunch of *relevant* people (like townspeople or elders or even the Gods) all sing about the plot or the main character together. Neat
Why, hello! Are you interested in throwing yourself down the rabbit hole of lore for Dropout's "Very Important People"? Are you trying to drag a friend into the madness? Welcome! Hopefully this post can help. This all goes a lot deeper than you might expect after a casual viewing of the show, so let's get down to business.
In the past, the Host's stepdaughter, Bianca Jocasta, was something of a cryptid lurking at the edges of the show's lore. As of season 2, however, she has a face, speaking lines, and an implied crucial role in the meta plot. Us rabid Bianca fans -- and there are indeed a non-zero number of us -- simply never lose. Unless we get a week where Bianca doesn't show up. Which happens often.
PART 1: UNDERSTANDING the CANON.
Let's say you've watched the entirety of VIP. You have questions. Maybe you even have theories of your own. Welcome to the club, friend.
Bianca generally pops up in only brief mentions -- amidst the chaos of the show it's sometimes hard to piece together exactly what's going on with her. Luckily, I've written it down for us!
Analyzing everything we know about Bianca (as of s2e3) for a review of the basics, plus some surface-level theorizing.
Analyzing the Host's relationship with Bianca (as of s2e3) for a more character-centered approach to figuring out what's going on here.
Revisiting the s2e4 loredrop.
Unpacking the s2e6 loredrop.
And of course, the sacred texts: this gifset by the talented @/avadaniels capturing their first on-screen interaction.
Dissecting the s2e11 loredrop.
PART 2: INTO the METAVERSE.
So there's something funky going on here. That's to be expected, because this show is an improvised fever dream and the Host is a certified freak. But is this actually leading up to something...? Signs point to yes.
Asked to describe the relationship between the Host and Bianca in one word, Vic chose "tethered". A normal word to describe coworkers who purportedly hate each other.
Asked for any further information about the two of them, Vic responded... like this.
Okay. Here's where we jump off the deep end. Hold my hand. Vic likes to reuse material, and the "stepdaughter the same age as her stepparent" is an idea that's been around in their work for a while now. Take a look here and here for more on that. Do you see the vision?
It seems like Vic and Talia are very down to go down interesting paths with their improv together, and they're certainly able to conjure up chemistry. Case in point.
PART 3: EXPLORATION via FANWORKS.
That's it. That's the canon, that's the relevant supplemental material from Vic. But this is tumblr, and we all know that's just the beginning of the fun.
The wonderful @/owleanders draws Bianca so beautifully and I think about his art of her non-stop. Go look at his stuff!
I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention Star Maker, my fic that attempts to blend our knowledge of the Host's lore with the "Bride Comforting Stepdaughter" sketch. It is my version of a long-form thesis for why this dynamic has the potential to be so compelling.
We use the tag #bianca vip for her here on tumblr. (edit: now that we have a last name for the character, #bianca jocasta is also in use! it's a mishmash but we'll muddle through somehow. i personally will prefer to use her full name now that we have it, but i'll be using both for a while as i adjust.)
The AO3 tag for our Bianca is wonderfully vibrant for a character with so minimal screen time, and well worth checking out if you want more!
welcome back, folks! this is a deceptive one, because on paper it's just two lines on a wikipedia page. here they are now:
the thing is, there's a lot of information compacted into those two lines. let's break 'em down together!
bianca and the host are alums of the same college.
this is from the "notable alumni" section wikipedia page for the host's college (uc irvine as per s2e10), and this is definitively our bianca. these two went to school together. this is actually something i've been speculating about since the mid-season break (i talk about why in this post).
this is a story, so there is no world in which this is a coincidence and they didn't know each other during their schooling -- this means the two of them go back at least a decade as of the in-world filming of season 2. "tethered" is starting to make more sense, huh? this is a long, long relationship, and it's likely that it started out as something very different than the current stepparent-stepdaughter dynamic. i'd hazard to say it's most likely that the host actually met their husband through bianca.
bianca graduated one year before the host did.
i'm taking this to mean that bianca is in the class year before the host, and is roughly a year older than her stepparent. we know the host's birthday is in november, so assuming bianca didn't graduate early we're looking at an age gap of 3-15 months. absolutely beautiful stuff.
bianca's last name is jocasta.
this is the big one, which is a wild thing to say after the massive reveal that these two have known each other for 10+ years. but, well -- that's just the point we're at. i've already been operating under the assumption that the 10+ years thing is true, so while it's fantastic to have confirmation i'm not overly shaken up about it.
"jocasta", on the other hand? brand-new. unforeseen. unhinged.
we can talk about whether this is her dad's previous surname or if she took her mom's after the divorce but i don't think any of that is too relevant to the story being told here. let's chat instead about the name itself, because holy hell is there baggage.
in greek myth, jocasta was the mother-turned-incestuous bride of oedipus rex. a queen doomed by fate to marry her son, so on and so forth. absolutely classic, absolutely devastating. in freudian psychoanalysis, a 'jocasta complex' describes the erotic fixation of a mother on her child. oedipus complex but move it slightly to the left. in short: her last name is an incest reference any way you flip it.
bianca's wiki page has been viewed before.
we've just "hacked into" the host's accounts, so i think it's safe to assume that the implication here is that the host has been hanging out on bianca's wikipedia page. i'm not going to offer any analysis here because you know exactly what i'm gonna say about That.
conclusion:
yeah okay. i'm done playing coy about this. i've been trying to keep my biases regarding these two's backstory in the realm of fanfiction, where speculation on that level belongs, but this all essentially confirms that the show and i are on the same page. there is a romantic/sexual component to the relationship between bianca and the host, it is Weird, and it goes back at minimum ten years.
everyone strap in. i have a feeling we're in for a wild ride from now until the end of the season. we know they shot around an hour of bianca footage total (i think this was mentioned in a tamar interview with jordon brown?). they could pull just about anything.
Hello again! Welcome back to the theory zone. Last time, we discussed the basic facts we know about Very Important People's Bianca (the original post is here, and here's a version with great additional analysis from @/alittlevillainy).
This time around, I want to focus in on specifically Bianca's relationship with her step-parent, Host!Vic -- the facts, the paradoxes, and even some hints we can pull from Vic (the human comedian's) past work.
So... here's what we know so far!
The Host is borderline obsessed with Bianca. They bring her up incessantly -- most episodes have at least one reference to Bianca, and repeat guests (so far, this means Anna and Jacob) have made comments about this apparent fixation (see: "I don't care about your boy").
One interpretation is that this is a status thing for them. Having a stepdaughter establishes them as someone with power over another person on set even when the cameras cut. This behavior (always "my stepdaughter", or "my stepdaughter, Bianca") also doubles as 'reminding' Bianca of the dynamic between the two of them and reestablishing their control over her.
The Host relies on Bianca. At the end of the Leighanna-Jean episode, when Leighanna is applying lipstick to the Host, we get the following interaction:
This is vulnerable! This is open! The Host is trying so hard and Bianca "will tell them the truth."
3. The Host feels bullied by Bianca and expresses a desire to be rid of her. In Jasper and Casper's interview, the Host talks about their longing to throw Bianca into the sea, like Jasper and Casper's children. In Martha Tops and Lucian Azathoth's episode, the Host seeks a solution to the "bullying" they face from Bianca. "She's so mean to me," they say; they are also ready to sacrifice her until they realize what that might entail ("planes that the mind cannot comfortably conceive" and so on), at which point they respond, "We'll keep her for now," with the implication that they are 'keeping her' as a favor to her father more than anything else.
4. When the Host mentions people they'd (like to?) "sit and talk with" to Jukebox, they specifically mention their mother and Bianca. Their mother seems to be a source of pain and abandonment (see the Zeke episode's "sometimes your mom hates you even when you're not rocks"). So what does this shared context imply about the Host's relationship with Bianca...? Well, I'm not quite sure, actually. But there's something there. To me this line implies that they feel like they should have a closer relationship with Bianca.
5. Bianca genuinely seems "done" with the Host in her brief on-screen appearance. This is valuable to note because of how biased the Host's account of their relationship is; I don't necessarily trust them when they describe Bianca as 'bullying' them, for example, because that would require a power dynamic between them that is opposite of what we see on set.
So there are a lot of gloriously, humanly contradictory notes in here.
As we just discussed, the Host views Bianca as a bully, despite the fact that they have power over her both in the home and the workplace, and despite the fact that Bianca is apparently genial enough to be well-liked by her coworkers.
The Host is fixated in some degree on Bianca -- whether that's personal or just related to her role as stepdaughter. So, is this obsession based on a desire to heal their relationship? According to the Martha Tops and Lucian Azathoth episode, nope.
The Host is like a pathetic wet bird with a broken wing who is constantly making cries for help. This is just true. They're also deeply off-putting and weird -- but still, when I put myself in Bianca's shoes I have trouble imagining why she wouldn't try in some way to "save them". So what gives? How has the Host hurt them -- or was their marriage to her dad enough to create this rift? (This one is a bit of a reach, admittedly, because it relies on Bianca being a normal and good person, but I think about it a lot.)
The Host trusts and relies upon Bianca despite everything else. Indeed, it seems like Bianca is the only person they trust and rely upon.
Where does this leave us? With a lot of questions and a messy, messy relationship. Below the cut I'm going to share something a little different that opens the way to new theories: a sketch written by Vic Michaelis (the human comedian) that has some hauntingly familiar elements.
This is where we get into the groundless speculation and entirely non-canonical realm of "fucked up if true". So, uh, proceed at your own risk? Nothing that follows is real, but I think it's fun!
Okay, buckle up! I've attached two videos here. They're different versions of the same sketch: a shorter version with higher audio quality (plus a Hot Bill Summer cameo that made me giggle enough that I couldn't stand to cut it out), and a longer version with lower audio quality. Pick your poison; if you aren't able to watch right now, don't worry, I'll break 'em down for us in a moment.
(content warnings for potential grooming; please be careful)
So, here we've got a bride on her wedding day speaking to her (offscreen) future stepdaughter, who is upset. We learn:
The stepdaughter and the bride are the same age (specifically born three months apart).
The stepdaughter and bride were childhood best friends.
The bride was previously engaged to her future stepson.
That's a familiar setup, right? The crucial difference between this sketch and VIP is that the sketch turns on the inherent weirdness of the childhood friends dynamic, while VIP has left the nature of the Vic-Bianca relationship mysterious. They've been very slow and deliberate with feeding us our Bianca scraps, from the same age reveal to the recent appearance in the flesh.
So -- are we seeing a slowburn reveal of the same setup from this sketch (which Vic knows is funny, to the point that they've included it in their character reel and have performed it across the years in different formats and to fit different lengths)? I mean, in all honesty, I'm... not sure.
The points against:
This sketch is dark! It just is! It's funny, don't get me wrong, but I don't know how well it would go over with the Dropout audience.
The Host having had a childhood best friend doesn't gel with our understanding of the character.
This setup rests on the "bride" character living in more or less the same place from the age of 12 to about 22; the Host moved around a lot as a child.
The points in favor:
It would explain so much of the weirdness and resentment between Bianca and the Host. The reliance, the longing, the obsession. If this was once a close relationship turned poisonous, suddenly things start to click into place.
Would That Be Fucked Up Or What.
Interested to hear what people make of this! Like I said, it's deeply non-canonical, but I think it's such a fun thing to think about.
("what are you doing. how did you find these. are you okay." fic research. i'm 18k deep don't talk to me it's FINE.)
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Hello, all! I think the time has come for us to talk about Very Important People's former cryptid Bianca, because, frankly, I think it's fun to have fan theories in play before things start getting canonized -- especially if those fan theories end up being completely wrong! Before I get too deep into tin hat theorizing, let's take a post to review the facts.
To begin, some basics about Bianca herself.
Bianca is host!Vic's stepdaughter via their marriage to Bianca's unnamed father.
The Host dislikes Bianca to the point that they are willing to sacrifice her to dark forces, they fantasize about throwing her into the ocean, and so forth (all to Bianca's face, mind you).
Bianca, in turn, is at minimum not receptive to spending time with the Host.
She works as a PA on the fictional VIP set.
She is well-liked on set.
She and the Host are the same age.
She, the Host, her father, and a certain extraterrestrial are all living together.
And, of course, we now know she is played by the wonderful Talia Tabin! Is this relevant to lore theories....? No, not really. But I'm very excited about the recent face reveal :}
To understand Bianca and her relationship with the Host, I think it's worth also talking about her father/the Host's husband. So far, the husband is a somewhat mysterious figure, but a picture of him is emerging.
Continued under the cut is what we know about him, alongside some more surface-level speculation about what this all means.
The Host describes their husband as "a lovely man".
The Host sleeps and brushes their teeth on set, flirts with guests, and seems overall deeply lonely and unfulfilled. These are not signs of a happy marriage.
The Host and their husband can afford a house and an attached guest house. Presumably in LA. The guy has money.*
He was invited to a Gwyneth Paltrow goop party at some point.
He took the last name Michaelis "in order to feel closer to [the Host]" when they got married.
He is reportedly "in his forties".**
*this could be attributed to a "Friends"-like setup where people are inexplicably able to afford real estate for the bit, but I think that's relatively unlikely; if you've watched enough interviews with Vic, they make a lot of jokes about the LA housing market and how well-off you have to be to own property. Who's to say, though, this is improv and sometimes the bit reigns supreme!
**per the Bonus Content episode, which I personally consider as canonical as anything else.
Extrapolating these facts out, we can gather:
Bianca's father had her fairly young, assuming that in lore Bianca (and the Host) are in their late twenties to mid thirties. Let's do the math for the absolute oldest he could have become a father. If the Host's husband is currently 49 and Bianca is (significantly younger than her actor) only 27, her father would have still been college-aged when he had her. It's possible that the Host lied about their husband's age because they're embarrassed about the true age difference; it's also possible that the "forties" statement was something Vic made up on the spot without fully considering the math. In either case this is worth noting.
Bianca's father is someone with enough of a foothold in Hollywood to procure invitations to celebrity events. He's certainly more prominent in the industry than the Host, who is relegated to "plus one" status.
Building off the previous point, and combining it with the oddity of both his daughter and his spouse working on the same project, I think it's possible Bianca's father was involved in hiring decisions at the VIP studio -- and, with the Host reportedly paying to be there rather than the other way around, it's possible he also bankrolled parts of the production.
He's the kind of guy who would marry a person young enough to be his kid, and he's willing to go through with such a marriage even though it creates friction with his actual kid.
In short, Bianca is the daughter of a man with influence, but for whatever reason she's stuck working alongside -- and living with! -- a step-parent who openly daydreams about tossing her into the sea. There's something keeping the Host and Bianca stuck together despite their mutual dislike, whether that's purely their connection through Bianca's father or something more complicated.
Iâm kind of a fan of the theory that VIP might have been a project by host!Vicâs husband to keep host!Vic busy bc they were deeply unfulfilled just being a trophy wife, or perhaps another similar reason. Maybe Bianca got moved into it as well (perhaps she was at a dead end too?)
the whole âtheyâre making me pay $1000 an episode to be hereâ thing last episode has me rethinking that theory. but itâs still very possible the network enjoyed the popularity of the show but wanted host!Vic out, and their husband insisted on keeping them there.
all in all I think the marriage has ârich guy who took advantage of a pretty, traumatized younger person in order to have someone on his arm at partiesâ vibes written all over it. host!Vic is so deeply upset in their marriage to the point theyâre not going home at night, and the way they talk about him sounds very much like someone trying to keep up appearances instead of a person in love.
I think itâs possible Bianca is angry at her dad for marrying host!Vic and that anger is in part being directed at them, bc anger is messy and even if she recognizes them as a victim of some sort in this situation, theyâre still there, married to their dad.
overall this seems a lot more complicated than host!Vic is letting on and Iâm SO excited to see where Talia and Vic take this character relationship.
I love this analysis SO MUCH. It feels good that we align on so many things -- if we're both down the rabbit hole, surely we've not gone completely mad!
Let's talk about the Host paying $1000 per episode line, actually, because that threw me for a loop as well. Vic mentioned in this great interview that VIP's real-world "People's Choice Awards" win also occurred in the world of VIP, meaning the show got a boosted budget (which the Host, beloved magpie that they are, squandered largely on trinkets to decorate the set). The Host also.... I mean, frankly, they really don't want to be here (though they did choose this over "an office job"). They're looking to do bigger things. This is, effectively, a stepping stone, a compromise to get to their dream job -- and they're almost there, if we take their word at face value that they might have some traction with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show! And yet... they're paying to be here? It's an odd statement to me.
My interpretation is either it's just another weird contradiction associated with the Host, a known freak, or they're just referencing that their husband is paying for part of the show; they have the vibes of a financially entwined couple (which I mean very derogatorily), so his money would reasonably be theirs by extension. This makes sense to me given the personalities involved. The Host likes to claim ownership over things, people, and money, so why not bring attention to this too?
Which is all to say: yes. My personal headcanon/theory is also that Vic was a (vulnerable in several ways) journalism student/recent graduate picked up by an older man; they then spent some time as basically a trophy wife before being offered the VIP gig, engineered by their husband. They don't find the job compelling, it's not the kind of journalism they were trained for, but they've committed themselves to being damn good at it and now they're trapped, again. This time they're trapped not in a marriage or even a job they don't want, but rather trapped by how well they performed in season 1 (now the show has gained a level of popularity, and they have made themselves significantly less dispensable).
I love the Host character as an architect of their own cages. I love them in general. I can't wait to see what else this season has in store.
some other things related to this iâve been thinking about, though barely related to bianca at this point:
- i think youâre definitely right on the âfinancial intertwinementâ thing. host!vic told leighanna that they werenât rich. by all means they clearly have money - the house, the jewelry, the glasses, etc - but I donât think itâs their money.
- this is kinda dark but itâs very possible they married early, perhaps even pre-college, to escape their abusive family. itâs something that happens to a lot of people - a desperation to get away leads to rash decisions, especially if their partner is offering opportunity on top of the relationship. âyou can get away from all this, and finally have your dreams on top of itâ is a very tempting offer to a traumatized young person who thinks their future is a dead end. if this guy was offering to pay for their college, help fulfill their dreams on top of a way out⌠you can see how anyone would be tempted, let alone someone so easily manipulated. (and ofc, the same goes for a new college graduate in deep debt)
- it really seems like thereâs not much love, if any, in this marriage. itâs very possible host!Vicâs husband knows about the cheating and just doesnât care.
- if we assume host!vic is financially âintertwinedâ (read: trapped) with their husband, this increased budget would maybe be the first money in a long time they have any control over. on top of them being so very magpie coded, it would definitely explain their frivolous spending.
vip blowing up is so funny to me because i know very well how slippery the slope is from having mild interest in vic michaelis and the rotating door of hilarious people on their show to writing demented fanfic about their characterâs fucked up relationship with their stepdaughter who has had less than a minute of total screentime
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step one: replace entire personality with open, festering wound
step two: contort absolutely all stimuli in my environment to relate to the my wound in some manner, ideally one which justifies random acts of unbridled aggression and vengeance