There seem to be a lot of people who don’t understand why Lobo was in the movie, so I’m just gonna say it: Lobo is who Kara is at risk of becoming.
Kara is at a crossroads, and one road leads towards Clark and one leads to Lobo. Or rather, one path leads to embracing the responsibility of the life and powers her parents gave her, and the other is continuing to drink her life away, not caring about anything or anyone but her and hers.
Lobo is immensely powerful, and the last of his planet. Just like Kara. And when we meet him, he’s passed out drunk in a bar, oblivious and uncaring of violence and exploitation around him. Just like Kara was trying to be when she first met Ruthye.
Lobo is Kara’s future if she gives up on trying to be good. Drunkenly stumbling through the galaxy not helping anyone or anything and only caring about herself. Maybe not mindlessly cruel, but not kind or good or caring of the pain of the people around her.
It’s why they both get Ruthye’s spiel, it’s why Lobo’s whole introduction mirrors what Kara was just doing demanding to know about the Brigands, it’s why they’re both “the ditz from the bar”, it’s why they both have the gag with the space suit collar.
It’s why Lobo crops up each time Ruthye and Kara are faced with choices, sometimes acting as a devil on their shoulders, sometimes just a big lurking ominous warning of their bleak future if they make the wrong choices. It’s why Lobo says “let Ruthye have her revenge”, uncaring of how the violence might haunt Ruthye for the rest of her life. He’s a big constant reminder why Kara cannot let this thirteen year old girl be consumed by violence, and of who her parents didn’t want her to be.
Lobo is Kara’s foil and shadow.
I don’t think the movie always executed this well, it could have been done better, but I don’t think it was subtle either. The parallels between Kara and Lobo are right there in every scene and always highlight the choices Kara makes to be kind, and I do wish people would take the time to actually think about them before writing Lobo’s presence off.
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I just went back from watching Nolan's Odyssey movie, and I have so many thoughts. Prepare yourselves, this will be a long review.
I will start by saying how I hate the culture war that this film caused. I think I hate both sides of the conversation. I hate the pathetic anti-SWJs and how they made a huge deal of Nolan casting a few non-white actors and a trans actor to play a cis role, as if POC and queer actors never had played roles in Greek mythology films before. But as a Greek mythology fan, I hate how my own camp reacted to this film, being rabid Homer purists and not even giving this film a chance.
It's Christopher Nolan's Odyssey. It's exactly what it says on the tin. He doesn't even try to be historically accurate. Who knew that brutalism would be an architecture style so popular in the Bronze Age Mediterranean? Odysseus travels in a viking ship for goodness sake. This is a guy who has no experience directing period fantasy pieces, so he designed ancient Greece as a generic "the past" with a few fancy costumes. I can't say I'm a fan of this aesthetic, but the film is so much more than that, and I feel like reducing the whole end product to a couple of weird directorial choices is shallow, intellectually dishonest and anti-art.
I can say it right. @the-blue-fairie, @thealmightyemprex, I'm speaking specifically to you because I know you read my reviews and you don't like Nolan's style, this film isn't for you. Everything that you dislike about Nolan's directorial style is present in this film. This doesn't make the film bad, though.
Everything is gray, dark, moody; the film takes itself as seriously as a shipwreck. It doesn't allow a single moment of levity. And it still embraces the fantasy elements.
Contrary to past adaptations, like the Hallmark miniseries or even the Tiktok concept album, it embraces the fantasy elements without embracing the wonder. The magic feels offputting, strange, like a disquieting apparition.
Polyphemus doesn't speak properly, just proffering a few otherworldly and inhuman ramblings after Odysseus and his crew blind him, asking for Poseidon to curse them.
The Lastrygonians aren't rock-throwing giants , but an army of ruthless giants in full metal armor who don't rest until they kill as many of Odysseus' crew as they could find.
Circe isn't a beautiful sorceress in a huge temple filled with nymphs, she's almost an old hag living in an old hut who has to manually twist the bodies of Odysseus' crew to turn them into pigs, in moments of visceral body horror. There's no Hermes here.
The ghosts of Odysseus' fallen men don't just haunt him, they try to physically attack him when they journey to Hades.
There are no Lotus Eaters. Calypso is drugging Odysseus with lotus flowers herself, making him forget almost everything and making him live in a mist of confusion for years. All that to make him forget the horrors he saw.
Telemachus and Penelope share a very tempestuous relationship for a son and mother, with Penelope bitter about being powerless as a woman, constantly arguing with her son, belittling him, while Telemachus is constantly trying to prove he is fully capable of leading Ithaca.
And more, there are no gods here. Only Athena appears, in brief visions Odysseus has, before it's revealed in the end that she's wearing the face of the young priestess that the Greek army killed when they profaned Athena's temple in Troy. It's left ambiguous if she's Athena herself or only a manifestation of Odysseus' guilt for the horrors he took part in. She has tears in her eyes when Odysseus remembers the priestess being killed and Athena's statue beheaded.
Everything is meant to be unpleasant, not fully into horror territory, but extremely upsetting, strange. Maybe other directors could have made it more striking. Nolan has a too down-to-earth style. He films fantasy like he films sci-fi, but the guy is effective at what he wants to portray.
He makes you feel like you are right there inside this world. No matter how anachronistic this Greek world is, it feels like it exists. You won't see any bad CGI or bad special effects. The combination of score, camera angles, and editing choices immerse you completely in this story, as if the adventures and horrors are happening all around you.
And all this lack of wonder has a point, because the film has a central theme: Hospitality and decay.
Hospitality in this world is not just courtesy, it's a sacred law that guides this civilization. You should accept and treat well everyone that reaches your residence, be it a noble or a beggar, because they may be a god in disguise. Yet, people are constantly exploiting or breaking the laws of hospitality, the sacred laws of Zeus: From Antinous and the other suitors abusing Penelope's hospitality for years, from Polyphemus eating Odysseus’ crew, from Circe turning them into pigs when they were almost starving, and lastly, when the Greeks offered the Trojan Horse as a gift of peace to Athena before slaughtering the whole city.
This single act of breaking the laws of hospitality is what dooms this entire world.
This film is set during the Collapse of the Age of Bronze, the period of dark ages between Mycenaean Greece and Classical Greece, a period in which the epic poems were meant as a reminder of all the glory lost in the process.
This is a world in decay, where everything is dying and collapsing.
At all times, there are constantly mentions of the Sea People and how they may attack and destroy their kingdoms at any time. The Sea People are an unknown people who are theorized by some historians to be one of the causes for the Bronze Age collapse. It’s one of the threats that makes the suitors’ situation even more urgent. Ithaca needs someone who can protect it from the Sea People.
And then, almost by the end of the film, it’s revealed: The Sea People are the Greeks who sacked Troy. The memory of what they have done, of how they broke the laws of Zeus spread through the Mediterranean, and that has caused a cascade effect of every rule that governs civilization starting to collapse.
This is the main reason for why Odysseus can’t go back home, he can’t live with what he has done. The whole journey is him dealing with his constant guilt and trying to make things better, but only making them worse as a result. He knows what he has done has consequences, and he’s watching as it spreads to the whole world.
In the end, Odysseus and Penelope exile themselves to a journey into the west, while Telemachus rules Ithaca as king, but even though our main leads are happy, it’s evidently clear that as a whole, this world, all kingdoms visited are doomed. Everything will collapse and the songs about their feats and mistakes will be the only things remembered.
The Trojan War is depicted as both this world's Götterdämmerung, the Twilight of the Gods, and its Original Sin, the primordial crime from which every subsequent horror symbolically descends.
This film has a happy ending, but it doesn’t end on a hopeful note. The final shot of the film is the Trojan Horse ablaze, symbolizing the violation of the laws of hospitality and how that symbolizes the decay that will destroy everything.
We are living in times of economic recessions, environmental catastrophes, and liberal democracies in decay. Despite all the dubious choices Nolan made, the text is incredibly rich. Maybe this is the story for our times.
I'm gonna be honest, I fuck with a movie that's all about the collapse of a society that perpetuates certain morals and laws that itself is not willing to uphold when it comes to interacting with the rest of the world.
The Greeks used the excuse of a woman and the war of gods to wage war with an economic competitor, then showed up on their enemy's shores and broke their own laws of hospitality to win the war and ransacked the city and its people. The story of those actions traveled the world, making everyone afraid of the "people from the sea," even the Greeks who WERE the people from the sea.
The suitors cried about the laws not being upheld for them but were unwilling to uphold them themselves. The same society was terrified of this invisible enemy that would invade because of their lack of morals, unaware that THEY are the ones who broke the laws first. They are their own boogeyman. The fear of foreignors was never about the actions of foreignors but their own actions.
The gods haunt the narrative as an ideal. If they were confirmed real, then this movie becomes a warning against breaking away from "the correct religion." Instead, it is a warning of how mutual care and respect for your fellow man, whether gods exist or not, is the backbone of society, and without it, morality becomes something to twist and fear monger.
The gods couldn't exist in this adaptation, so a lot of the plot points involving the gods had to be changed or left out. "Nobody" only matters if Odysseus doxxes himself for poseidon to punish. (The crew members insisting that they definitely heard the cyclops say posiedon and jumping to the conclusion that he was poseidon's son and they were cursed was a great change in my opinion.) The wind bag can only exist if the gods exist. Athena can only guide Telemechus and Odysseus if the gods exist. ("Athena" potentially only being Odysseus's guilt for the preistess he let die who only shows up in times where his actions in Troy are thematically important was *chef's kiss*.) The Trojan War is only a war sanctioned by the gods if the gods exist. Odysseus being stuck with Calypso for so long needs another reason (the lotus) if it's not by the will of the gods. What would Circe and Calypso be like if they weren't eternal goddesses? Did the crew go to Hades, or did they just perform a spell that raised the dead?
Magic and Monsters can still exist without the gods, and everything else can be explained by superstition, nature, and bad luck. The ideal of the gods haunt the narrative so wonderfully.
I'm not a fan of Nolan's directorial aesthetic, but for the themes he wanted to explore, I think this was a fantastic retelling of the original. Accuracy isn't and shouldn't always be the goal. Sometimes, taking an existing story and making something new in order to speak to a different aspect of humanity is all we can really hope for.
This doesn't mean people HAVE to like it. There are plenty of "good" movies that I do not enjoy watching. However, acting like it's an objective thing to say that this was a failure of an adaptation is very annoying. It's a subjective opinion of art.
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J and I watched one of my favorite episodes this week, "Tomorrow is Yesterday," purely because it contains a reference to a manned flight to the Moon (in addition to being superb, that is).
There's so much I love about it (it's actually one of the most beautifully made TOS episodes IMO, everyone looks spectacular, flawless comedic beats and genuine pathos, the culture clashes are pretty much immaculate, etc). But my favorite scene is always going to be the one where Kirk is captured by insecure macho assholes from the US military of the literal 60s and talks circles around them with a bit of genuine fear (he does understand the danger he's in), but mostly a mixture of telling the truth in the most annoying way possible and pushing their buttons by dialing up his standard campy theatricality to comfortable effeminacy. Their bluster vs his sultry assurance is good as written but utterly delightful onscreen.
Also, one nerdy detail: the military assholes try to intimidate Kirk by listing off all the crimes he's committed, and Kirk basically responds by morphing even more fully into Cher Horowitz mode than usual and being all "sabotage? who, me??? O_O" about it with this obviously faux confusion/dismay that's just mocking them and not even trying to hide it.
But it's funnier because— okay, it's actually a quick small thing and I'm fully explaining the joke here, but:
Pretty much the only respect in which William Shatner applied zero effort in his performance was in his usual accent as Kirk. If you pay attention, it's just 100% his own Anglophone Montrealer 40s kid accent, which actually retains some features that were already dying in some Anglophone communities in Montreal, but apparently often retained in heavily Jewish neighborhoods and suburbs of Montreal for whatever reason— most notably the heavy use of the TRAP vowel. That vowel is the tensed vowel in words like trap or bath [æ] and many other words, which in this accent is sometimes used where most Canadian and US accents would use a different vowel such as [ɑ] (the vowel in lot) as in a word like ... well, sabotage.
If you pay attention to how Kirk speaks in TOS, you'll notice him using [æ] much more than North Americans usually do, or even did then, and in particular that he almost always pronounces the third vowel of sabotage with [æ] rather than [ɑ].
So in this scene, the douchebag US soldiers accusing Kirk of sabotage and other crimes pronounce it with the usual long [ɑ], as I would. And he gives them his doe-eyed, blatantly fake innocent look and mockingly asks, "Did I sabotage something?"
But this time, very unusually, he pronounces the final vowel of sabotage the way they do, with [ɑ] rather than his usual [æ]— pretty obviously because he's mocking them, echoing the way they talk back at them, but in this super effeminate way that's going to freak them out and short-circuit their brains.
Of course, they don't know that he's imitating their accent specifically. They've only briefly spoken to him and they don't know anything about him or how he usually talks. But Kirk seems to enjoy adopting aggressively fake US accents for trolling purposes, and he's in particularly fine form here.
(I'm not sure anything will surpass his extremely fake Chicago gangster accent in which he deliberately mispronounces his own name for shits and giggles, but he's definitely warming up here.)
Reblogging in honor of the other moon landing episode; one of my favorite light-hearted episodes, "Tomorrow is Yesterday," is even earlier than "Return to Tomorrow" and our heroes discover to their shock and horror that they've been throw back to the benighted dark ages of........the sixties by way of an announcement related to the moon landing (that of course was even more distant IRL when the ep was written by DC Fontana).
Okay. I was on my beloved AO3 and I saw something that made me do a double take. So, now I really want to know…
What is your AO3 user ID?
I’m an OG user 5 digits or less
Six figures baby!
I’m in the millions…
Remaining time: 5 days 17 hours
I’m so curious to see how long people have been on AO3! I know some people have been on there since beta/invite only, but I would love to see what the number is on tumblr!
You’re a regular office worker born with the ability to “see” how dangerous a person is with a number scale of 1-10 above their heads. A toddler would be a 1, while a skilled soldier with a firearm may score a 7. Today, you notice the reserved new guy at the office measures a 10.
You decide it’s best to find out what you can about this person. Cautiously, you approach his desk. He’s a handsome man, tall, but with a disarming smile. How could such a friendly guy with such cute, dorky glasses be dangerous?
You extend your hand. “I noticed you’re new here. What’s your name?”
He shakes your hand warmly. His gaze is piercing, as if he’s looking right through you. “The name’s Clark,” he says. “So, how long have you worked for the Daily Planet?”
It’s been a few weeks, and one of Clark’s friends shows up. She’s pretty and all, enough muscle that she must work out. First thought would be that she should be maybe a 6.
Clark’s introducing her around. “This is my good friend, Diana, she’s in from out of town.”
You blink, and take a step back in fear. You’ve never seen an 11 before.
The day Bruce Wayne shows up for his long promised interview with Lois Lane, you can’t help it, the mug your holding drops from your fingers and sends a shock of hot coffee and ceramic shards across the floor.
Clark stops a few feet away and squints at you worriedly from behind those ridiculous glasses you’re 99% sure he doesn’t actually need, and asks tentatively, “Everything all right?”
You ignore him in favor of staring at the inky dark numerals hovering over the beaming fool gesticulating some fantastic yacht story for a gaggle of secretaries and minor columnists.
That’s it. Your gift has officially gone haywire. There is no other explanation. Because there is absolutely no way that Brucie Wayne is a 10.
At this point, you’ve seen it all. Miled manner reporters and billionaires at a 10 and a model-like woman at 11. You were really starting to doubt your power. The day you really stopped believeing in it was when Bruce Wayne came for another visit, and this time with a kid. The kid couldn’t be more than 10 years old, a bit on the short side.
The day you started believing in it again was when you saw on tv the formation of something called the justice league.
There were those same numbers over superman, batman, wonder woman and robin. That’s when you put two and two together. You wonder how nobody at the daily planet noticed that Clarke was Superman with glasses. You wonder why you didn’t notice. You wonder why nobody put two and two together that Diana Prince and Wonder Woman looked exactly the same. You look in the mirror as the realization hit you and you see your own number change from a 3 to a 9.
In episode 5, “New York,” Lestat strips back his rock-star facade and confronts his memories of Akasha.
"There’s no way of knowing how Claudia might have behaved if she'd lived to see 2025, but Louis’ fantasy is embarrassingly shallow, opening with Claudia smiling sweetly and telling him that she missed him (would she really??) before segueing into small-talk about Louis’ latest business ventures. Much like with Daniel Molloy and Miss Lily, he’s paying someone to listen to him—now with an increased level of emotional baggage. Is Regina doing a convincing impression of Claudia? Obviously not! She’s basing her entire performance on secondhand accounts from Daniel’s book. Her job is to enact a vague outline of a happy family dinner, and in the same way that people manage to fall in love with chatbots, Louis’ imagination does the rest of the work.
In reality, Louis and Claudia’s relationship was far more contentious. Much of their conflict stemmed from Louis feeling a sense of ownership over Claudia, leading all the way back to the moment of her turning: a horrifying scene where Louis dragged her body across the floor like a ragdoll and begged Lestat to give her the Gift. In the years after her transformation, her fathers kept her in a childish role that she quickly outgrew. The casting change from Bailey Bass to Delainey Hayles became an unintentionally effective transition point between Claudia’s adolescence and adulthood, when she and Louis began living as brother and sister. The complexity of this relationship can’t be translated into a staged hangout with Regina and her actress friend."
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I love the “captain’s log” mechanism in Star Trek as a method for time skips and exposition.
I am, however, devastated that we never got an episode where any captain’s voiceover is strained and slow. very precise about the events they’re describing. While the screen itself is showing the most batshit insane events and making it clear that the captain is trying VERY HARD to keep everyone involved out of a court martial.
Now, goddess, child of Zeus, tell the old story for our modern times
Nolan’s Odyssey and a classical musician perspective on historical accuracy
1k ish words, skip segments if you wish! main body is after the wilson translation quote
Let me say first: I get it, I really do. I am a classical violinist first. My entire education has been about performing historical works with accuracy. I have been slammed for so much as breathing out of character for a Bach partita. And watching classical music portrayed in movies with anything less than striking realism is funny at best, torture at worst. Make it real. Respect history.
For me, there is no doubt that Nolan respects this story. This is not a Wuthering Heights situation. A love of the tale itself fills the film from start to end, the core archetypal story is alive and thrumming. The immersion is incredible. His vision carries the film and is executed so consistently that to someone like me costuming, plot omissions (Though I have to admit I felt the loss of the wind bag and the Nobody joke a little personally) and whatever other criticism has been thrown about is minor.
This is not to say the film is totally to my tastes. I found the dialogue both overly mythical and overly modern at the same time, which is an impressive feat to achieve simultaneously. For me, these things were the immersion breakers. For others, I'm certain, the historical issues work the same way.
But this is not my telling, it's Nolan’s. And the controversies to me are proof of an excellent storyteller with razor sharp intent, making choices that are worth respecting. As nothing more than a violinist and a grown up PJO kid who never stopped reading deeper… hear me out.
Nolan used Wilson's translation as reference, and hers opening invocation concludes in this way, excuse the spacing:
{…..} Now goddess, child of Zeus, tell the old story for our modern times. Find the beginning.
Watch Nolan’s choices in his framing of this tale. A bard, a rapper. The final lines of the movie referencing the future telling of this tale, in song only, until the ages of men rise to greater heights once again. This is a story of oral tradition, elevated through a new medium.
Even the controversially modern language is intentional– notice he does not remove the poetic, rhythmic and legend-like speak of the lines even as he uses modern words. He is not distorting the telling, he is very intentionally taking it from a precise angle, with a precise target. This bow is strung the way only he can string it, and no mistake has been made. This is not negligence, it is skill.
So let's take the most common objection: Dad instead of father– not carelessly but for tone, tone in a deeper sense than the initial shock of it. Dad, and we lose that feeling of coldness, of high fantasy formality, we bring the register down into something lived. Dad, and we understand: familiarity, warmth, love.
Jarring maybe, but a careless choice or stupidity? Not at all. He is telling an ancient story, and he is breaking the awful distance that is the curse of classical art, music, writing. This span of space and time and knowledge you need to appreciate the art in a semblance of the way that the ancient audience would have, easily. Of course not exactly like them, it can never be exactly, again– and that is the point.
I play Bach on my modern violin, my strings are metal and not catgut, and there is a multitude of ways to do it; historically informed, improvisational, romantic and lush in the 1920s style. Some are more literally accurate, but Bach, like Homer, is a single written version of an entire performance tradition known implicitly. We modern people can never be privy to all of that. But we still play. It's still Bach.
The exactitude that Nolan is aiming for is not recreation, it is not precision in a literal sense, but a kind of emotional fidelity– atmospheric, thematic, human-to-human connection from the living core of the Odyssey into our own. This tale is timeless, archetypal, and Nolan creates a film that has maintained the heartbeat forms and figures and colored them, translucent, with the beating psychological heart of the world we live in, of the struggles modern men face, the ocean in the self, the glory we chase and watch crumble to worthless nothing.
The Odyssey has always been an internal metaphor as much as a literal epic. That is what makes it so great, what has let it survive. It can be told in versions and versions, changing and evolving, but there is a core spirit that is so utterly human it survived thousands of years and still resonates. Odysseus is a hero, he is an everyman, he is better than any of us, he is no better than any of us. Nolan has created something no amount of academic study and rigor can give en masse, he has opened a door and allowed people to feel for this man.
We can know a story, we can know a story very well. But to have it ring real and brutal, sympathetic vibrations across time and space– as a classical musician, I know how difficult that is.
There can be this old, fantastic work of art you know has some of the best of humanity with it in its purest form, but the simple fact is that high art has a barrier. It requires time, education, a depth that modernity does not cultivate in us.
Nolan, in this way, makes magic. This film is digestible without being shallow. It is epic and still painfully human. It feels like the Odyssey, and moreover, it feels. Not just tells, not just explains. He exploits cinema so perfectly for the one thing it can and must do better than a textual retelling: it allows us to live inside it, it invites us in, it opens doors in solid walls that would remain difficult to scale otherwise. I hate to use the world accessibility– to me it carries too many connotations of diluting, polluting, rehashing in a way that cares more for easy consumption than true storytelling power. But this film cuts with intention, with respect, with vision.Any story must be viewed from a lens, must be interpreted.
Every translator of the book knows this, they are living in a time, space, and body, writing through a medium, they are not a perfect, clear glass to pass the story through. the light will fractal. there lies the beauty.
So for me: watch Nolan, as a translator, a translation in the realest sense– nothing can be perfectly passed from one form to another and it needn't be. It shouldn't be.
As the classic invocation itself is often interpreted, the Muses sing in the storyteller, not at them. And they sing in this film. Through modern man, for our modern times. All that is necessary, from a muse-sung man, from a storyteller, a filmmaker, a bard, is skill and conviction and a clear vision– we know the people who made this film have all this in spades. Watch what new comes out through them. Watch what remains the same. An old story for our modern age, in every sense. Always, always beautiful.
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This will help you keep track of the air quality. I have asthma and struggle when AQI hits 40. That's considered to be in the green (healthy) zone. If the AQI is in the yellow zone or worse, wear a mask when outside, seal your windows (tape and plastic sheets work), and acquire air purifiers for your home. If it's in the red or purple zone, wear a mask and goggles. Your eyes are gonna otherwise water and burn.
Sing to me muses of wine dark seas and rappers braiding words into the dark fall of bronze.
I just came out of The Odyssey and wanted to muse. I just sat down upon waking up and wish to write. Both are true. Both are a product of time.
A story about time. About storytelling. Perception. The ways stories are communicated. The world that was and what we create through the wars we choose to fight and battered veterans left to wander home.
The movie, like the story upon which it is based is like a braided pattern that loops back and loops back and loops back to contexualize each moment. Braided? No, woven. The way words weave.
The bard, who is not blind, but raps like a lord, who sings that story you all know.
No, we don't.
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That moment where the villager (priest of Apollo I presume) warns Odysseus' crew not to go on, because they won't like what they find, and we come to the liminal break on the map. Into the mythic.
Sack Troy. Sack a village of brown folks. Fall off the edge of the world.
In this version, there is no strong wine acquired, so no strong wine to share with a monster. Not women captured for a fate that was not written. Also, what has been long lost is the gut deep cultural understanding that watering wine is a part of being civilized. We have no ritual of symposium for all that the suitors carouse. Which is fine, things often went bad for the enslaved women pouring even watered wine at such things.
Every time Athena told Odysseus that he didn't want to go home, the more I questioned the narrative Odysseus remembered of the cheese making cyclops. Of all of it really, but especially that.
I came into the narrative very much rooted in a mythological understanding of what an ancient Hellenic culture might have understood about the Odyssey. The cyclops. The monstrous and the weapon makers.
As someone who writes in the mythological space, I want to no really emphasize there is no canonical version of Hellenic religion. Regional stories contradicted each other and rubbed against each other. Evolved over time. See also, Artemis as a goddess of wild spaces becoming a twin to Apollo, who possibly came in with Doric migration. Of Dionysius, an ancient locally attested god becoming "foreign" as time went on. As new people migrated in. Of Athena, the owl goddess protectoress of wise eyes into all that she became. Until the Romans got Byzantine with it.
I came into the narrative thinking about what an age of colonization Hellene might have thought about potentially dangerous "uncivilized folks" (i.e., not Hellenic) living out on the margins of the world when they were sailing out and setting up daughter cities. Carrying flames from the temple of Hestia for the new city's hearts. Flames are the hearth and the foundation of a polis. They bake the bread that is to be shared with beggars for they might be gods in disguise. Flames are the destroyer of cities. The towers of Ilium are forever burning.
Here there be cyclops.
There be sea people who are coming, who are us.
By the end of the movie, I questioned the memory of the cyclops or any of the mythological adventures at all.
In what we see, there isn't more than one cyclops. It has no name. It has language, but this is not used until too late. In this version of the narrative Odysseus angers the gods not by revealing his actual name in a moment of hubris (I am Nobody → I am Odysseus), but by shooting the cyclops in the eye they've already stabbed.
The more the movie progressed, the more I went back to this scene in my own memory to understand we were being told Odysseus feels he cannot go home.
He is like an arrow tied with a string that goes forward yearning for home and backward to the statue of a burning horse in Troy. With apologies (or reference) to the historian Tom Holland, to the sacral gift of a horse statue made unclean with shit and blood. The sacrifice of men's lives at the bottom of the trap. The sacrifice of a city from what should have been a sacred gift.
An cord tied to the woman in the temple of Athena who is not Athena. Who was Trojan. Who was a priestess. A victim. The towers of Illium burn. They burned. They are ever burning. Odysseus is both the man with the plan and the sword, and he bears the wound. The scar that marks him.
Tied to the woman in the temple who is Athena if Odysseus holds her in his mind to see her. If he holds his wife's brooch. A ghost. A guide. A judgement.
At it's most basic basement level (Schliemannesque in archeological approach terms), the Odyssey has always been the story of a man who reluctantly (how reluctant depends on which marginalia you apply) fought in a war, and struggled for years to make it home.
This incarnation of the tale emphasizes the affects of war and it's impact to a degree that the song of Homer does not. Well, except I suppose for those who think it does. But...
Okay, I shall digress a moment. This will not be the only time in this that I write.
Several decades ago in college, I took an Oral Literature class where we were divided into groups to give presentations on various topics. Most groups gave a straight preso. My group decided to do a free form play. I was the old storyteller telling a story I knew backwards and forwards with epithets and repetitions. The Tale of Abu Saber from "Tales of the Desert" to be specific. Before the preso, I told the story to the group twice. We turned down the lights and I told the tale -- interrupted at times by the "young ethnologist" and aided by the "old ethnologist" telling him to shut up. A second storyteller told the same story, all the same epithets and repetitions, but with a different emphasis that completely changed the spin.
Mine was poetic, his was funny. They were both the same story.
This elicited some great discussion in the class on how oral stories change. I might even have said (and did a year later in a History of the Book class) that scribal stories change. Words dropped. Changed. Understood differently as translations carried over with incomplete understandings of the context. With no actual way to get back to an original understanding, because there is no such thing. It is lost. It is the past.
How I read and understand the Odyssey cannot be as an ancient Greek would. For one thing, the concept of Greece wasn't a thing.
This shift in emphasis made me think of Sir Basil Liddel Hart's seminal "On Indirect Strategy", which after describing 2000 years of warfare culminates in a simple idea. We create the peace that follows from the wars we fight and the way we fight them. Sometimes that peace is more war.
All of which to say I'm not writing a huge essay about Nolan's the Odyssey because these changes bothered me. Never not nobody. I am a writer of that Anglo Saxon bastard of a language, and double negatives are my birthright and Latinate grammarians can take them from my cold dead throat with a curse. Cough.
Okay, that really was a digression.
In a way, that lack of "I am Nobody" in the movie is a negative space for anyone who is familiar with the tale. With that cyclops who is no Polyphemus. Whose eye is not pictured in the traditional way with the single eye shown as natural. This was a twist. This was on it's side and showing the change of perspective of the world we're now in.
The mythic. The strange. Just as dangerous, but different.
Why did Odysseus fire the arrow at the cyclops? Why did he fire the arrows in the city before the gate? Why does he fire the arrows at the suitors?
The war. Always the war.
I think about how Agamemnon's armor looked unmarked. Shiny. The most modern looking metal of all the men. It looked to me like gun metal.
But then again this is a story told by a singer of tales, who heard the story from a singer of tales, who heard the story from a singer of tales. Until one bright day, some traveler from Tyre or Byblos (certainly not Ugarit, which was lost to the sea people) or some such brought writing back into the Hellenic world. But that's out of order.
We never see Agamemnon's face. We don't see him fight. He's not crammed into the horse. He wants a war because he wants control of the trade route that Troy controls with its mighty mud brick walls, and the excuse is a woman, who left a man.
Who loved and lost. But lets let the women have the last word.
Just as the excuse is the suitors pushing Telemachus to break xenia. Sorry, Zeus' law. I suspect the reason they call it Zeus' law and not xenia is because they want to link it directly and repeatedly to the gods, who we see and we don't see. Lightning. That's Zeus. The waves. That's Poseiden. A baby's smile. The clouds. That dead girl that your men beheaded because they were angry, and Odysseus didn't stop them. That's Athena.
That's Telemachus repeatedly looking for a god to guide him in a stranger's eyes. But what he needs is his mother to ask him to string the bow, but he doesn't know the trick. What he needs is his father who knows it all too well.
But no really Agamemnon, who wanted a war so badly he murdered his daughter, came home to death. He created the peace that followed. That of pitch and gravel and the grave.
But we knew that. We knew of his wife's rage as she oiled and softened his body for slaughter. Not a sacrifice. Not sacral.
We knew her rage and her revenge and the revenge of her son, and Telemauchus, so wide eyed in the face of all this.
There's the narrative of Telemachus, rooted in the world. Carried to us by singers of tales. There's the story that Oddysseus remembers to Calypso while high on lotus root. So to I doubted that narrative.
And yet, and yet, the poetic truth is there.
Circe thought his men were pigs, and so she revealed that form. Sorceress, goddess. Daughter of Helios and Perse. Daughter of the solar deity whose cattle his men killed. After being stranded on a shore. Future. Past. Depends on the linearity of the telling.
This Circe is no queen with a grand hall. She has a hut and rage. Actually, let's put a pin in that feather. Let's let the women have the last word.
Let us return to Odysseus who designs a gift that was no gift. Who in all practicality abandons the bodies of his men. Prepares to sacrifice his men so the majority can make it home. Participated in the breaking of the world that depended on trade flowing. Copper and tin being carried across an ocean that was not a barrier, but a well travelled road. Routes that created the age that came of these metals converging. A world with writing and hospitality. The law of Zeus. Xenia. Maat. A world that a high king, Agamemnon with his bone spined helmet, wanted to control, and in so doing broke.
Over and over, we hear the sea people are coming. They are coming closer. Menaleus who admits to years traveling home with his bitter wife. How many cities did he and his men sack? Perhaps this was how Helen came to Egypt for a time after all. What balance did he and his men destroy out of hunger. Rage.
The grand palaces of the Mycenaeans will crumble. Are crumbling. The Mycenaean men are always coming home. Unless they are the Trojans seeking a new home in a new epic. Those Mycenaean palaces so grand that later Hellenes will decide they could not have been built by men, but must have been built by cyclops.
There's an end there.
But no.
Odysseus' homecoming is not by self-driving ships but a raft tossed by sea. He has to let go to arrive. And still, and still, he is who is.
Abandoning the bodies of faithful followers in a temple. Setting fire to them where there should be respect. And all those worshipers, I did wonder as they went in if they weren't praying for protection from the people of the sea, who is them. They are a mere famine away from being them. So we all.
In the very end of the movie, it's possible to take the ending several ways. Penelope and Oddysseus sail off into the sunset together. Hollywood happy.
Umm…they are predicting the fall of civilization. They are chasing the retreating sun and remaining in the light, while their son, Telemachus, who knows how to write, will fall into darkness of night. He will not pass on the gift of writing and Ithyca and the rest of the bronze age world, will collapse. Losing the power of writing.
Well, except Egypt and Babylon and, okay, Assyria is right there, and…so not the whole bronze age world, but definitely the Hellenes. Writing will be right out for them.
The story ends by sending Odysseus not home, but on a new journey. The journey his wife wanted to begin with. They are no longer young. They are scarred. Wounded.
Okay, one more digression, but at least a related one. One my favorite sections of Dante's Inferno is the when Dante encounters Ulysses encased in a tongue of flame (liars gotta burn) telling Dante a story about how he tried to sail to Purgatory/Paradise, and almost made it. His presence is such that he appears in all three books, until finally in Paradise they look down to see, "the mad leap of Ulysses". Dante did not read Greek. He did not have the Greek text available to him. He came to Odysseus/Ulysses entirely mediated through Virgil and other Roman writers. This Ulysses is sacrilegious, and I would argue much of the interpretation of Odyssesus in this movie has some foundation in Dante.
Why wouldn't I argue that.
I love Dante, and wrote a whole fanfic journey for him back in the day.
The end of the movie reconfigures Dante's vision of Odysseus' final journey, but now it is exile. Penelope and Odysseus, queen and king no longer, sail ever on. Into danger perhaps, or merely into the solar end. But they remain in the light. Or not. They must come to some final western shore and light a fire for the dead to show them respect.
To give what is owed.
But let us speak what is owed.
Now I must sing of women's rage. For that note is the string that is plucked throughout the story.
It is the story of the fall of Troy that is not told by the bard. No. Though it is stopped by the queen.
Is is the story of the fall of Troy that is not told by Odysseus until he comes back round to it and round to it and so finally can go home.
It is the women in the city murdered. Throats slit. But we know, we who have read the tale, that many were enslaved. That there are slaves in Ithythica and that was a choice by the movie, and there are the Thracian women Odysseus enslaved from the sack of Ismarus in Homer's Odyssey whose fate is unwritten. Not in the story, but like the Nobody, it is a negative space in the narrative.
Perhaps it is no tale told in the queen's chambers.
Penelope in her palace, circumscribed, and yet running the kingdom. All the years of war on that beach, she kept the looms weaving and the harvests coming in, and her son growing. Then for three years, suitors. One of whom, huh, a draft dodger.
Rage, rage, oh faithful queen, whose plan was to lock the doors to the palace with the suitors in it and kill them all with fire. Clever queen, who has lived too long in Odysseus' ruin.
Bitter is the honey that is the face of Helen, Penelope's cousin, in whose name so many died. Disfigured it's implied by her husband, the deliberately lumpish Menaleus, who she most likely fled for all the good it did her. This Helen is mortal. Not a god's daughter for all she's dressed in gold. Helen in endless regret of all those who died in her name sits bitter at her husband's side. No knife for her. No fire.
Not so her twin. The knife and axe of Clytemnestra, who took a lover and planned all the long years for what she'd do to the husband who killed her daughter, while mistreating the children yet alive. Iphigenia, in this movie, a barest glimpse of a child. No woman grown heading to a wedding with Achilles.
But let us not forget the monstrous.
The Scylla is a maiden. She is a monster on a cliff devouring sailors, men. She plucks them up and eats them.
The sirens were the handmaidens of Persephone, transformed into birdwomen by Demeter when her daughter was kidnapped, and sent to find their mistress. They figured on Hellenic funerary art for that same reason. They know all for they have seen all and their song is presented in Nolan's version of the tale as a song of the longing for what you have had, but have now lost. Their song is an itch. Their song is death, which makes sense given they serve dread Persephone.
The land of the dead lies waiting. With reproachful ghosts and stones.
Ah Circe. A sorceresses' art or that of a goddess on a snowy cliff in…Cornwall? It is a source of tin after all. In Homer's Odyssey Circe is young and beautiful. For decades, I used the image of "Circe Invidiosa" by Waterhouse as my icon on LJ and it's still my icon on Dreamwidth. The painting where she's about to transform a nymph into the monstrous Scylla based on Ovid's Metamorphosis.
Here she is a weary woman who will not wait for men to show their nature. She takes their nature in hand and crafts it.
The story changes. The story is the same.
Calypso who is alone. Who finds a lost stranger and take him in. Feeds him forgetfulness to heal him. To hold him. Tragic in her way. Not bitter, but she wears a woven net for the sea. She fishes on that shore and lives in a woven home. She sends the traveler on his way.
Athena is the girl in the temple. Not vengeful. Not angry. Knowing. She is the goddess of weaving and domestic arts. She is the figure given by a wife for recognition. The cloth will not survive the ages. Soft arts, software, the trade items created by women, don't survive ages. Only in the art that depicts them. In the stories that includes them.
The Singer of songs tells a story, a writer of tales writes a story, a film maker makes a movie.
So it goes…
Now you went through all that so I'm going to link to some of my fic, because I've written Greek (and other) myth fic for decades, and for that matter stories about stories.
The Tale of Abu Saber if told by a character in the Firefly verse,
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Buffy the Vampire Slayer commentary vis a vis a visit from Dante and Virgil,
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Sea People and some Egyptians.
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
A story of Cytemnestra's rage,
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Helen not as mortal, but as goddess,
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Titanomachy + Kidnap of Kore + Birth of Dionysus,
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Um…what if aliens invaded and had to fight the Hellenic gods just before the Trojan War. Also don't kidnap Penelope and Circe and stick them in the same cell. Bad plan. Hugely bad.
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Nothing to do with the Odyssey, but entirely about questionable narrators
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Oh, and why not, a mystery set on the island of Aegina based on sketchily recorded historical events, and a romance. A bit of both. Plus gods.
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
That last one I turned into a novel, "Heroes Heart Like Burning"
So now I knot the last word and bite it to cut the thread.
I'm about to say something controversial. I watched Nolan's Odyssey today and overall enjoyed it. Details under the readmore
Stuff they changed that annoyed me:
- Odysseus doesn't feign madness, instead honorably follows Melenaus because he fears Agamemnon's reaction if he doesn't
- Odysseus is more honorable than he is smart, what's that stupid fucking Thing with warning the prey. Idiot (I know it ties into the overall characterization and final message, but ugh. This is ODYSSEUS)
- Doesn't even eat any of the Cyclops' sheep, the Cyclop just starts eating people willy nilly. Okay then. Kinda following that:
- His men dying is truly more whims of the immortals instead of Odysseus' decisions. Sigh.
-Sinon's change of narrative is kind of ambivalent, at least it's interesting I guess, but again. It's Sinon!
- Melantho being Like That... is not innovative at all and very much follows the misogyny of the original. Found it tiring and boring.
Stuff I liked:
- Penelope... of course they went with that casting. And I think that's fully correct, don't know what people's deal is.
- The colors are actually fine? Have you been to the Mediterranean? It looks like that when you walk around there.
- Being inside the horse felt more believable than it ever did in any book version I ever read
- The opening of the gates was also pretty realistic. It's a stealth AND speed mission and it's a close call. It has to be.
- Agamemnon being so fucking unlikeable. They put him into historical and political context pretty well. This is HIS war and he was willing to sacrifice all these people including his daughter.
- Zendaya as Athena/ Cassandra. I mean... it's Zendaya. But I really liked this version, because it focuses on her canonical horror of what she has unleashed upon Troy.
- I liked that it assumed you are here because you like the Myths and know something about it. Little references everywhere, doesn't bother immediately explaining everything
- Callipso as an ambivalent yet sympathetic character, but also the horror of her. She decides what's good for you and you WILL like it.
- Speaking of horror: Great body horror with Circe. That transformation is PAINFUL. Same with the the depiction of Hades
- How the men stop listening to Odysseus and start following Eurylochos
- Tom Holland in that wonderful outfit. The one when he does paperwork at night. That's the guy the internet fell in love with, very Umbrella reminiscent
- Pretty great depiction of the classic kind of PTSD as it was first constructed by western psychiatry. The wounds you afflict yourself with by being a war criminal
- And finally: Taking responsibility even for stuff you're not actually responsible for is a kind of hubris. Important message to myself and many people I know, actually.
- Bonus: This movie ISN'T grimdark! I know we all harp on Nolan for making everything grimdark, but this movie really isn't. They really said "most wars are crimes so terrible that we lose our own humanity when we engage in them. However, we can reforge that. We can decide to not engage again."
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Made this post about 15 minutes after the repair guy who fixed the pump on my dishwasher packed up his tools and left, as the dishwasher was whirring along doing my dishes from that morning.
He said the exact same thing, which I did not know before that, so spreading this knowledge.
Also loved that it actually is Woke Odyssey. Not in a "we cast black and trans actors" way but in a "this is a movie about man's hubris, the disregard for and destruction of social contracts, the disdain with which we treat the living and the dead, the violence we wage against each other, the way we become enraptured with 'great' instead of 'right,' and the way all of that degrades the soul of man" way