Iris , 19 , dx DID and CPTSD for 5 years , studying history and social work ! , working with professionals to study more on OSDDID so i know my shit yo
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All I have to say is . You're admitting to being an abuser by using that. A child abuser to be specific.
I don't care what kinks you have, however, a disorder is not a kink. Forcing someone to have a disorder is only done via abuse and with this specific disorder it's only done via child abuse.
By claiming you want to force people to "become plural" you are claiming that you want to abuse children.
Anyone who supports the tag supports child abuse and is a dangerous individual.
Theory of Structural Dissociation & Why EPs/ANPs aren't always system related...
The Theory of Structural Dissociation is the most commonly accepted model of what happens when, in layman's terms, someone is traumatized in one way or another. When talking about The Theory Of Structural Dissociation (Onno van der Hart, Ellert R. S. Nijenhuis, and Kathy Steele), we can think about Structural Dissociation in layers.
1. Primary Structural Dissociation
Primary Structural Dissociation includes PTSD and Acute Stress Disorder. These two disorders have a simple split of ONE ANP (Apparently Normal Part) and ONE EP (Emotional Part).. more on that later. This type of dissociation is oftentimes caused by events that happen later in life, and are non repetitive. This usually causes flashbacks and other related issues, because the EP is stuck reliving that traumatic event.
2. Secondary Structural Dissociation
This layer encompasses Complex-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder. This is categorized by ONE ANP (Apparently Normal Part) and MULTIPLE EPs (Emotional Parts). This is likely caused by repetitive trauma, but not enough to cause severe fragmentation. This causes multiple defensive trauma-based habits to form, which oftentimes cause issues with identity and daily life.
3. Tertiary Structural Dissociation
This is recognized as the most severe form of Structured Dissociation, encompassing DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder). This is caused by repeated, severe traumatic events in early childhood (before the age of 9), which causes amnesiac barriers to form around pre-existing identity facets, leading to severe fragmentation. This is categorized by MULTIPLE ANPs (Apparently Normal Parts) and MULTIPLE EPs (Emotional Parts). This causes issues with functioning in daily life due to severe amnesia, and identity problems.
What is an ANP?
An ANP, or Apparently Normal Part, is the part of us that handles daily life. It's the part that drives your car, files your taxes, works your job. And for many people, (non traumatized people...), ANPs and EPs are very cohesive with one another. They work together to manage life. This creates a solid state of identity, which allows you to feel like... well YOU!
What is an EP?
An EP, or Emotional Part, on the other hand is the part that handles traumatic memories and emotions pertaining to a traumatic event. When traumatic events happen, the ANP gets split up from an EP. So the ANP will handle the daily life, while the EP remains traumatized.
So Yosuke... Why does the Second level have multiple EP's, but is not a system?
I'm glad you asked! This is because of two simple little differentiations between the two... The severity of the trauma, and the reaction to the trauma. In early childhood, all of our minds (yes, EVERYONES) were already in multiple different facets (or pieces, however you want to phrase it). These facets may have been dedicated to sadness, or happiness, or hunger, anger, fear, etc. When severe and repeated trauma disrupts daily life for a young individual, the facets begin a survival tactic. The mind builds a wall of amnesia around an affected facet, in order to stop the traumatic repercussions from spreading and bothering other facets. This is a survival mechanism. It splits up both ANPs and EPs alike, which causes them to eventually develop their own identity, leading to Dissociative Identity Disorder or Other Specified Dissociative Disorder.
In Secondary Structural Dissociation, the affected person maintains a cohesive ANP. And most of the time, they also do not develop the same amnesia barriers between EPs and ANPs. (More on why I say MOST later...) This is what differentiates between the Secondary and Tertiary Structural Dissociation Level.
The entire reason Tertiary Structural Dissociation maintains separate identity states (aka Alters, Parts, Headmates, whatever you want to call them) is because of the amnesia between the identity states. Eventually after these amnesiac walls are put up, they develop their own identities as the person grows. This does not happen most of the time in Secondary Structural Dissociation.
Why haven't you gone in depth on OSDD yet???
Great question. I've held off on mentioning OSDD, or Other Specified Dissociative Disorder for a VERY specific reason, and that OSDD is considered a "catch-all" term for those who may experience profound dissociative symptoms, but don't meet the full criteria for DID. It falls under the Second Structural Dissociation category, but can really be considered the 2.5th layer. (Which I know is weird, let me explain...)
OSDD 1A
OSDD 1A is a subtype of OSDD, or Other Specified Dissociative Disorder. This is categorized by ONE ANP and MULTIPLE EPs, but does experience the same amnesiac barriers as DID. (Remember when I mentioned this is weird to categorize?) These EPs may be less distinct, and can sometimes be considered as different "modes" rather than full fledged Alters.
OSDD 1B
OSDD 1B is really the 2.5th layer of Dissociation (Not factual, just layman's terms.) It is also categorized in the Secondary Structural Dissociation category, while maintaining ONE ANP and MULTIPLE EPs. This subset also has similar amnesiac barriers and distinct alters to DID, however the key difference being they are oftentimes lacking the severe amnesia between Alters. So, more amnesia than 1A, less than full DID.
And that is EPs and ANPs explained in The Theory of Structural Dissociation! Yosuke out!
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take things less at face value maybe. it's likely not every anon who says they have DID and work in mental health service does so but you believe it if it's convenient. you're 19 and don't know your shit, do better 🙏🏻
have a good day
Lowkey trying to figure out which one this is about. The only ask I can think of is just someone having a similar experience to mine but its not like they were actually posting anything. They just said it was nice that I was also a pwDID working in mental health. I do know my shit, if you have any specific questions or want specific recommendations for sources I can share them with you.
Would you have a problem with someone with DID who has a spiritual/religious belief that's atypical about the way the souls of my system functions? Because I've been in treatment for two and a half years but my spirituality has never been an issue. I see all of my alters and myself as their own beings with a soul. We have a conglomerate soul that's like a little sac that contains all of us. No matter the fusions and splits we remain there. The aspects of the numerous souls will not go elsewhere. We will always be plural. Even if we didn't have DID. We would have some other form of spiritual multiplicity.
And a few more questions- would you aggressively rail against and view my religious beliefs because they're not Christian or to your own liking and you deem what my own gods have helped me understand about myself- as profane?
Does my religion and spiritual beliefs suddenly mean I should be forcibly undiagnosed with DID. Does my suffering with amnesia and dissociation and horrific flashbacks daily no longer matter because I hold religious ideas you dislike?
Should doctors and medical professionals forcibly mind fuck me and erase my religious beliefs and force me to conform to their own religions or atheism in the name of recovery when my religion has never once stopped my integration and fusions?
I debated answering this because I can say confidently this is 1. assuming an insane amount about me and 2. clearly not in good faith. But lets go through this regardless V_V
I don't really have a problem with it, not on paper anyways. I think its definitely potentially a harmful way to view your alters because viewing them too separately can absolutely encourage dissociation, and additionally it could encourage ideas of DID that are not conducive with current accepted theories. Specifically, it's important to remember that ultimately DID forms from amnesia barriers put up between ego states in childhood, not souls coming into you. But frankly, as long as you understand that is how DID forms, and you do not promote this as THE way DID works, I could care less. I will say though, I do not support "plurality" in fully and only spiritual ways.
I am not christan. Like at all LOL. I am Jewish, and more so believe in reincarnation, souls, witchcraft, the whole nine yards. I also come from a romani family, so a lot of religious beliefs I hold are directly influenced by that. I am very notably not christan, or really influenced by christanity. So no I don't care, believe what you want man. Literally no where am I like "I HATE ALL RELIGIONS THAT ARENT MY OWN!!"
Once again, this is assuming a lot about me that I'm not sure where you got. This is clearly just a bad faith point lol
First of all, forcibly mind fuck is really good I'm stealing that. Secondly, absolutely not. Just because a thought process can be harmful doesn't mean it is. If it works for you and the professionals you are with, go for it man. Religion can help a lot in working through trauma and like, healing. I am glad you found what has worked for me. Becoming religious actually helped me a lot after my initial CPS reports for my abuse, os I completely understand.
I hope in the future you can lock in and have some better, less aggressive thoughts and takes or whatever lol
My ex friend who I just found out was an "endogenic system" told me that they didn't want to be my friend anymore because I "talk about my trauma too much" and that my "trauma feels like baggage" to them 💀 well yeah ofc you think our trauma is too much you didn't experience what we did, imagine how we feel the jokes write themselves atp.
omg thats crazy?? im so sorry they did that but thats so funny
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Shouldn't you be focusing on your studies or hobbies instead of ragebaiting people online? Maybe treat yourself, go to a cafe, pet a cat?? Maybe start journaling?? Maybe do something nice or something instead of wasting yours and other peoples time on the internet??
Dw i have a full time job and a girlfriend and hobbies 🙏 I just also like wasting my time on the occasion, god forbid
the concept of someone wanting to be a social worker and using that to cyberbully people and accuse an entire neurological experience of faking on a dedicated discourse blog complete with an anime pfp is extremely funny, truly what everyone wants their social workers to have been doing during undergrad
if this is a bait account just lean into being a social worker because that would be so much funnier
God forbid a girl has fun during her undergrad. God forbid a girl engages in a little bit of discourse. God forbid a girl has hobbies.
Side note although im majoring in social work i notably am on a pre law track. So worry not i will be advocating for Kids in the Court room and not in a social worker capacity. 🙂↕️✨️
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boo im a p-did system whos also endogenic in some ways!!!
dear god! we should call the pope! call donald trump!!! call the fbi!!!! call someone to idk sacrifice to me like im lucifer or something
I hope you are able to come to terms with your trauma and realize that your alters formed from that. This is just kinda sad to see, to be honest. Good luck on your journey and getting the help you need.
Ancient? Ouch 😭💔 LMFAO. Btw to aswade any fears im not really in the market of sending anon hate, thats lame and also far too much effort for a blog I check once in a blue moon