Can we talk about this agonizingly awkward locker room scene in 2x01? Syd and Carmy are practically vibrating with tension, lingering in each other's space, stumbling over their words, and clearly desperate to hang out outside the restaurant.
But real emotional intimacy with someone who actually sees him scares the absolute shit out of Carmy. Why? Because any potential future with Sydney requires him to break his internal time loop. He has to ACTUALLY change. In Groundhog Day terms, Sydney is his Rita. Sheās the person who demands absolute, unvarnished emotional honesty.
You canāt shortcut your way into a dynamic with a Rita, you have to do the grueling, heavy psychological work to deserve to be in her orbit.
Carmy senses the weight of that, looks at his own internal disaster, and immediately hits the panic button.
So what happens THE VERY NEXT EPISODE?
He runs into Claire at the store. Like, hello?! Talk about a narrative emergency brake!
(By the way, what a fun coincidence that Claire is also wearing a green jacket when they reunite, almost mimicking the exact vibe of the green jacket Syd was wearing before.)
āGreen means we're on time... Green, good"
I wanna see it as the ultimate tactical retreat by the writers. Because that simmering, dangerous intimacy by the lockers could progress way too fast for a guy who is still a psychological disaster. So, they immediately threw Claire into the mix to act as a narrative shield. Claire is Nancy Taylor
In the movie, Phil uses Nancy as a safe, nostalgic regression. He doesn't have to grow up to be with Nancy, he just has to repeat familiar, easy scripts from his youth. Claire is rooted entirely in Carmy's past, a time before the Michelin stars and the trauma fully broke him. Running to her is his way of trying to buy a "perfect, normal life" off the rack without actually fixing his broken engine.
Carmy was a total psychological mess who didnāt know how to accept enjoyment, amusement, or anything good without panicking and setting it on fire. The whole situationship with Claire was basically his emotional training wheelsāor rather, his early-loop experimentation. The stakes with her felt low because she represents an escape from reality rather than a confrontation with it. He needed that mess to finally face his fears, grow up, and learn how to sit with happiness without running away. (Which he does again in s4 lol)
āYou're scared of something good happening because you're scared something bad will happen.ā
I am so tired of the narrative treating Syd as just a representation of the restaurant, the work, and all that structural crap. She isn't the kitchen clock ticking down man, sheās the person waiting for him at the end of the loop.
She deserves to be treated as a whole human being with her own life and interests outside that concrete box. I need S5 to let Carmy use everything he learned from his mess with Claire to finally step up, stop treating Syd like a kitchen appliance or a shield against his trauma, and actually see her for who she is.
In Groundhog Day, the loop only breaks when Phil stops trying to manipulate the day for his own gratification and begins selflessly investing in the people around himš
He learns the piano, he saves the townsfolk, and he finally looks at Rita with genuine, unselfish reverence. In the end he fell in love with Rita and hosted a perfect Groundhog Day party that impressed everyone and next day woke up successfully moving on with his life.
Let Carmy and Syd finally exist in a real world together. I hate it here right now, but the setup for them to be a real, emotionally mature endgame-waking up together on February 3rd-is right there if the writers just have the guts to pay it off. š
But yeah, I love this Groundhog Day theory and please please please check out this incredible post about it!
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There had better be some actual effort from Carmy - if Sydney forgives him behind the scenes I will lose it.
To me, Carmy retiring is still him running away. He needs therapy, needs to find his way forward, but the whole series we see him run after something external to āfixā him. Even when he retires, his past, his trauma, grief, and his brother will still be waiting. Itās easy to be like oh I just need Al-Anon, my dream restaurant, my (alleged) dream girl, my momās approval, retirementā¦. that isnāt a magic fix. Each time, he figures it out too late that these things didnāt fix him, and he plummets further into crisis.
And I get Sydneyās emotional distance! Over and over, Sydney has been left to pick up the pieces, to look after him, his family, and his restaurant. And even by the end of s4, he still deflects her fear and anger instead of engaging. Their relationship doesnāt really leave the restaurant, and she must be so exhausted (Richie too, like he has always been a menace lol).
She gets to matter too, you know? That still matters, even if Carmy is in crisis.
I get the romance of him doing one thing right while soft music plays and suddenly Sydney forgives Carmy and is really in love with him, but that would be such a betrayal of her character. I love Carmy so much, I relate to him in so many ways, and Iām deeply invested in him finding peace and happiness. But not at Sydneyās expense. And he really, really hurt/betrayed her this time.
The way that the show has handled Sydneyās character has been so frustrating. I donāt know how eight final episodes can deliver; itās kind of killed my writing for them.
I also feel like Charlie Brown with that fucking football where sydcarmy is concerned lol. I want to hope - I have this massive post-s4 story half-written but I kinda want to read the last page of this story before I get invested any further.
Sydney āI donāt even know if he knows thisā Adamu before telling Carmenās mother some shit he absolutely does not know because you would have to take pliers to her mouth to get her to express her feelings to Carmen in a meaningful way and even then!
Sometimes I think Carmy's ultimate problem is that he wants to remain loyal to the systems that abused him. Because if you let go of those old, damaging mindsets, how could you prove yourself worthy of the systemās approval?
If he cuts Donna off, how would he gain her approval? How else can he continue this lie in his head that she always loved him but was too troubled to show it? That she now wants to change for him! Instead of the truth, that she actually abused him to keep control over them, because she was resentful of them and wanted to let them know while making them attend her needs.
If he ever got even to let himself recognize his own feelings for Syd, how would he gain the approval of the popular girl that his older brother wanted him to be with? If he ever accepts Sydney's love for him, he would have to recognize that he had been mistreated his entire life and that the relationship with Claire he built in his head was never loving or genuine. Dating Syd (or anybody outside his social circle) means he can indeed have a family outside the one that abused him. If he ever dated Syd, particularly her, who doesn't tolerate bullshit behavior, it would mean he has no option but to grow. Syd would not be with him if he continued to harm himself. She has stayed through the struggle, but he knows she knows when he self-sabotages. Maybe that's another reason he left, he wants to come back a new man ro convince her of what he could be for her.
If he ever recognizes that Michael abused him (mentally and otherwise) he would have to let go of the idealized version of his brother he compares himself to.
If he ever told anybody about the abuse that he suffered under Chef David, it would make it real, and it would confront others with how unprotected he was inside and outside the family. Besides, hoe many other chef have been abused and all of them understand āit's part of the jobā? This is Carmys whole world view that he has been trapped in for 30 years.
Loyalty to an abuser means never recognizing that the abuse even happened. To try to minimize it, to āgrow a pairā, and to continue living inside the system. Carmy hasn't healed yet, because he still needs this damaged system subconsciously. He has resigned to the abusive culinary industry that was the exteriorization of all of this. Still, he needs to detach himself from all systems of abuse before he can experience true restoration.
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āWhat the fuck is this?ā Carmy snarled from behind her, slamming into the office and tossing his phone on the desk.
Sydneyās heart sank as she registered the message in front of her.
"Hey Carman," the email read, somehow misspelling Carmyās name, "Itās Adam. Iām sure Sydās told you about the CDC position Iāve offered her at my new place. I just want you to know that it isnāt personal ā sheās so fucking talented, you know? Sheās going places, and I want to help her get there. I couldnāt let that kind of talent go without a fight. I hope you understand that itās the best thing for her ā hopefully no hard feelings?"
āWhat the fuck is this?ā Carmy snarled from behind her, slamming into the office and tossing his phone on the desk.
Sydneyās heart sank as she registered the message in front of her.
"Hey Carman," the email read, somehow misspelling Carmyās name, "Itās Adam. Iām sure Sydās told you about the CDC position Iāve offered her at my new place. I just want you to know that it isnāt personal ā sheās so fucking talented, you know? Sheās going places, and I want to help her get there. I couldnāt let that kind of talent go without a fight. I hope you understand that itās the best thing for her ā hopefully no hard feelings?"
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the bear's writing making you lose interest in writing for sydcarmy... oh the showrunners will pay for what they have done to this community............................
Just saw this!
Thank you, I'm getting back into the right headspace (school and life have also been factors smh), and I will get both bend and break and two idiots, one tent done, and I will vent my post-s4 feelings into another fic lol.
I love Carmy so much, but I'm struggling with Storer's vision because I can't tell how purposeful it is. Is he ignoring the impact of how Sydney is affected, or is this the build up to s5, where that will be explored? Anyway, I'm writing the next chapter of bend and break, so I'm trying to focus on that! Thank you for checking in, it was very sweet š
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This took so long, I'm so sorry, school/life balance is stabilizing, I will try to have it done by the end of 2025. Thank you everyone for your support, it truly means a lot!
I mean Sydney should just straight up refuse to engage with carmy for most of the next season right? Like our girl has forgiven him time and time again (adultery w/ Claire, leaving her to start the restaurant by herself, steamrolling her ideas)⦠at what point does syd finally say enough is enough and ignore the shit out of carmy????
Iām so frustrated with the show that my writing has dried up - again and again, Carmy dumps everything on Sydney and runs away to avoid dealing with his issues, and this time he did it behind her back (which is also why I think heāll return to the kitchen - his trauma doesnāt evaporate with his retirement, his brain is still his, he has no plans and no treatment, this man is not going to heal within the walls of his apartment).
Why would Sydney want to be around him right now? Why would she make space for someone like Carmy in her life? Carmy is incredibly traumatized, donāt get me wrong, but he has hurt Sydney in an excruciating way this time - he tries to refuse to see it that way too, trying to absolve himself of his guilt by framing his departure as beneficial to Sydney.
I want Sydney to turn away completely from him in s5 - when Carmy sorts himself out, only then will it feel realistic for him to try and prove to Sydney that heās someone she can trust and rely on, and love.
I donāt want Sydney to be understanding, I want her to prioritize herself for once. I want s5 to be focused on her, and Carmy can figure himself out in the background.
I would be the last person to minimize the Berzatto trauma, specially around loosing someone the way they lost Michael, plus the abusive parent part of the equation. But the reason I sometimes feel trapped by the show is that most of the drama in the last seasons tends to be about people who just refuse to make mature choices. And all trauma is valid but the way this show puts way to much attention to the white characters dramas and insecurities while the poc characters have quite more traumatic (and compelling) stories, itās genuinely upsetting, to put it mildly.
Fak number 1 did not deserve space for a romantic storyline, he just didnāt, he is the most unpopular character by far in the show. I did not care one bit about Tiff or her new husbands insecurities. They forced us to sit trough Claireās ānoble struggleā after the breakup. They teased the Francine drama for so long, and then yeah kudos for her and Nat for having an actual conversation. This were just a bunch of white people behaving childishly and yeah ok trauma but in the meantimeā¦
Ebra is a fucking child soldier survivor and refugee. Tina lost her job after 20 years and was afraid to not be able to feed her family. Sweeps lost his dream job due to a hacked drug test and was homeless for a while. Marcus was the sole caregiver to a mother that had not time left guaranteed and wasnāt present in her last moments because he was at work. Sydney lost her mother as an infant and was a black woman in an industry that is famous for being abusive and racist.
For a show that wants to recognize all trauma is impactful and needs care and healing, they do seem pretty comfortable giving serious trauma to their poc characters and never let it be addressed and explore. They donāt get therapy, not even acknowledge or sympathy for the ptsd they are carrying, not even between them, and specially not from the white characters.
Need to coin a word for the shows that lure you in thinking there will be diverse cast of characters with nuanced storylines only to close those paths down as soon as you're hooked. Sike! Let's center the usual suspects and relegate everyone else to the background once again.
So @notthebear got me thinking a little about what Iād like to see out of S5 and I will be honest. I like drama, mess, stakes, but I also like redemption stories.
I think someone mentioned that Carmy is the hero and villain of the story which I think is pretty fair discounting [redacted]. Heās been in his villain arc since he brought the vampire to renovations and the Kasama outing that wasnāt. When Syd called him a āpiece of shitā, I didnāt realize it would be a prophecy lol.
However, I think heās overdo for redemption but I donāt want to see it as though he puts the fate of the restaurant on his back and saves the day.
I want Carmy to suffer. Badly.
Walk with me.
Iām always someone who is drawn to the idea in media to the person who has to absolutely hit rock bottom to realize that they either change themselves, their life, their perspective, their habits, or stay at the bottom.
I think some people donāt understand anything other than pain and heartache and Carmy is this person. He will not learn otherwise until pain stops being fun for him. Until it really fucking hurts in a way you canāt self-soothe.
Sometimes pain and heartache are the best teachers and sometimes medicine doesnāt taste good or feel good but it is good.
My wishlist is that the green sweatshirt was in Mikeyās room and him and [redacted] were fucking despite the age difference, that Mikey was the one who āpushedā her and to āhelpā him she kept him supplied with opioids and everyone (Richie, Nat, the Faks) knew about this but Carmy.
I want him to feel the betrayal and absolute hurt of [redacted] using him and settling for him to remain mired in a time where Mikey was close. I want him to feel the pain of chasing someone relentlessly and making apologies to pacify someone who all they ever did was lie to him.
This is what you wanted, right?
I want him to feel the betrayal by people who knew he was being used but only cared about what would look the best and keep him from staying too far. People that depend upon his own stagnation so his progress doesnāt make them have to look at their own lives and short comings. I want to come to the realization that he was only ever a pawn.
This is what you wanted, right?
I want him to come to terms about the truth of the person he made his life a walking tribute to, I want him to really have to look at the person he made his patron saint and feel the sickness for giving up his life and wants to be this person.
Sometimes bones have to be broken to be reset properly, sometimes treatments that save lives cause excruciating pain.
I think him coming back to save his family should and could be saving his found family. The people who have stood by him and placed their faith in him. The people who still see the good in him despite everything.
Sometimes we want and chase and crave and obsess over things that we think are good until we get exactly that and we realize that this was the very opposite of good in every way.
Ignoring intuition and your bodyās signs of discomfort and fear and upset has consequences and sometimes consequences are learning moments.
I think Carmy should experience this type of learning moment of seeing the danger of not trusting himself and maybe then heāll be motivated to put himself and his needs first. Maybe heāll be motivated to fix the things he put in the way by āhurdles.ā
I think coming to the very end of himself could lead to the beginning.
Sometimes we want and chase and crave and obsess over things that we think are good until we get exactly that and we realize that this was the very opposite of good in every way.
Ignoring intuition and your bodyās signs of discomfort and fear and upset has consequences and sometimes consequences are learning moments.
i get so frustrated with carmy. his trauma isn't to be underestimated. and so many people around him have swept it under the rug. he's learned to walk on broken bones. i want him to be well. happy healthy safe. but sometimes i get so stuck and i empathize sharply with people who want a jealousy arc. and then i have to immediately remember he's in an abusive relationship. yes he had this sneak around, secret 'romance', kisses/sex, people cheering it on, whatever, while syd is honest, square, doing good work, being diligent. and there's more to this show than romantic relationships. but it's his whatever with [white noise] that spurs him to tighten up. he pulls the other direction and is a terror. ignores syd, reduces her impact whever he can. it's with the intention that he's giving all the effort he can to get her a star. but like. idk. he's yelling screaming moving unilaterally.
i'm stuck in a circle of okay he's being awful, there's a reason he's overcompensating in a weird way, he's suffering too, remember when he got to sneak and get sex and kisses, that was an abusive relationship, he's in pennance for it, don't forget the trauma from his childhood and now his brother's death, return to start.
i want him to break this cycle. i love that syd is a positive influence that pours into him because idk i believe in love, and as love as a source of healing, but i am so frustrated that she's treated as an unlimited resource. it's hard to keep that cycle i brought up earlier in mind and know how to prescribe him out of it. therapy, continuing to be active with his team, taking a backseat not exiting the whole enterprise, something. but like idk he wants to go, he should be able to go. but then it blows back on syd. he wants to close things with [redacted], and i think it's too much energy but if he needs it to grow he needs it to grow. i wonder if he could stand rock bottom. if he's healthy enough for that? if it'll help then okay but i guess i baby him and i worry that he can't take more negativity. but like...if he needs to get the work done to be a strong adult and break some cycles, then, okay.
i'm rambling and not even addressing what you've said, but, i really struggle with knowing if tough love or unconditional gentle love will heal all this.
For me, it has to be tough love. He gets gentle love from Syd and tramples all over it. I donāt think heād understand anything else.
I think Carmy really needs a circumstance where his own words in his own voice are spat right back at him, āThis is what you wanted, right?ā
I donāt want a jealousy arc because that actually wonāt move the storyline but Carmy having to contend with betrayal, lies, being used by his circle and learning that they never actually wanted the best for him while being completely absent of Syd because sheās living her life that heās not a part of because heās not her friend and never acted like one. Sheās spending time with her family and reconnecting with her friends and sheās not available to him anymore because he didnāt appreciate nor care when she was.
Now he has to rely on himself for the answers, he has to trust himself on how to get them. Heāll suffer and suffer badly but I donāt see him growing any other way.
Some people simply donāt respond to gentleness, they only respond to hardships of their own making.
You wanna be treated like shit? Bet.
But at the same time, we love a comeback and we love the story of the phoenix who rose from the ashes.
Being at rock bottom wonāt mean he stays there, it just means that all pretense is gone and if he wants better for himself, he has to do the work to get it and that would be repairing his relationship with Syd. Stop being afraid of it, run into it and find courage and bravery to be intentional. Exercise discipline and practice.
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Dude, he like seriously hurt her. He's never hurt her this bad before:
she's so tired :(
And he can tell, which makes it worse
This argument, and I'm not exaggerating, really did play out like a divorce. It was emotionally exhausting to watch. They deserve their flowers. The acting was immaculate.