I miss clouds.

and if it worked both ways (if we get rid of some scientific facts just to make it a more working concept within a show first of all), then the characters in ep8, after climbing the radio tower (and since it came closer), upon reaching a certain point, would flip over in the air and then continue not to climb up the tower, but to climb down, and thus would end up on the ground of the upside down of Dimension X and then easily enter it without any big problems.

or maybe that's a stupid question, concidering that somehow suddenly there was water in the upside down in s5 ep8, Dimension X was empty as hell and looked like a desert when "he likes it cold". guess maybe that was just plot convinient for Holly to fall so other characters would see where she is and where to go.

scheme for fun :)

UPD okay I decided to recheck what the show told us and yeah

ep3

ep7

the gravitational force would rip them apart at the very moment they formed, but UD is a wormhole that still exists, cause it is held together by exotic matter, the one sphere they found, that was here all the time. if it is gone then everything collapses.

but I still don't get why the gravitation works differently on different sides of the same place. if the sphere is holding everything from collapsing, but at the same time the gravitation in the upside down/hawkins is pretty normal, then it should be normal in the upside down which mirrors the Abyss, since the gravitation here is completely the same as in the upside down/hawkins.

(at least it would be logical then to keep the ability to stand on both sides with some "antigravity zone" in the middle area thanks to the exotic matter, so it could be why it is not collapsing as a wormhole, and then the mission in ep8 could be as i described above).

sorry, but no? fans are the ones who invest one of the most valuable things that people have: their love, time and emotional resources. fans, for the most part, expect what they were promised or what they were led to narratively. when you make a promise but don't keep it, it's a lie (and friends don't lie).

so, for me personally, people who adhere to this kind of rhetoric are those who have never invested their personal time in such a thing and just do not understand the feeling of this kind of resentment, blinded with nostalgia or simply have an incredibly low bar regarding the quality of nowdays mass media (and this exact media was first introduced and positioned as a quality project!)

almost all Max important scenes were just a cheap copy of her s4 iconic run scene (and it was used twice!)

the final battle was a cheap copy of s3 final battle, when I originally thought it will be some kind of a mental fight, something that s4 introduced to us, but with higher stakes (imho)

El’s ending was a cheap copy of s1 finale. in s1 it was sad but authentic, but in s5 after such a huge journey such a decision only broke her story arc

Holly’s arc was a cheap copy of Will’s arc in s1. Will’s story in s1 worked because of small town mystery vibe, he is not there, but always present at the same time. s5 gives us the plot of disappearance again, but Holly gets more screen time than any other main character in the project (Nell did a great job though)

why draw so much attention to what ends up being your weak spot?

it can't be that they didn't know or forgot about all this, when the "mistake" regarding Will's birthday was pointed out during the s4 premiere, after that during the production of s5 they made several posts with birthday greetings with a correct date and at the end they still didn't explain or do anything. can you really not care that much, when its the main project of your life?

and if it all was just coincidences and simple production mistakes, how can you create so many and even intentionally pay attention to it? how-

for someone it’s a ruined byler potential romance

for someone it’s a ruined M11 romance

for someone it’s a M11 kiss in the end

for someone it’s a conformist epilogue

for someone it’s a huge number of various plot holes (hello, painting lie) and a huge lack of lore explanations

for someone it’s that everything was super predictable and simply not interesting, even though their bar has never been high

for someone it’s the resolution of El’s storyline

for someone it’s because El’s ending is not being with Mike and getting married

for someone it’s because El’s ending is not her being able to explore herself and explore the whole world

for someone it’s Elmax friendship, which is gone like it never existed

for someone it’s too many new characters with lack of screentime for the old ones

for someone it’s there was too much Will and “too gay” (💀)

for someone it’s there was not enough Will and not the outcome for his character’s arc that was expected

for someone it’s the attitude of the D*ffers towards their own fanbase

for someone it’s any combination of the above

many more can be added, but the result is the same: nothing was really fully completed or explained, everything is a mess and everyone is unpleased lmao