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you look inside and the trans men and transmascs being “welcomed with open arms” are being misgendered, abused, pushed towards detransitioning, and the ones that are seen as too masculine to be treated as women-lite are being kicked out of the space the same as trans women

Like, these guys were raised as "girls" they were raised to be "women", they were perceived as such (and sometimes still are), they were (and yes, sometimes still are) subjected to misogyny All. The. Time.

Do you *really* think they don't know what misogyny is? Do you really think they're just "too stupid" to properly identity a form of oppression that they were previously subjected to weekly growing up?

I mean sometimes they do yeah. I know a white guy with monolid eyes and zero known Asian ancestors and he absolutely experiences anti-Asian racism on a fairly regular basis because people think he’s mixed Asian/white. I know a woman who was told throughout her life that she was Native as an adoptee with no known history or background who experienced incredibly violent amounts of anti-Native racism until she discovered as an adult through DNA test that she is 100% white. I know white people who tan incredibly dark in the summer comparatively that are constantly accused of being mixed race and experiencing racism due to that, usually anti-Mexican racism perpetrated against white people with Greek or Italian ancestors.

If you think cis butches don’t experience both transphobia and misogyny and homophobia for daring to be women who break gender roles while still holding onto their womanhood you’ve sorely misunderstood just how bad butches have it in this world sorry. If you don’t think cis queens experience transphobia and homophobia and misogyny for daring to be men who break gender roles while being loud and proud about it and still holding onto their manhood then you’ve sorely mistaken just how bad they have it in this world as well.

Not to mention all of the cis men who wear dresses and skirts and makeup and nail polish and heels simply because they like them who experience all of these things. All of the cis straight women who simply just exist but something about them doesn’t pass society’s “woman enough” test, leading to them being caught in bathroom bills and sporting rules and being attacked by people who mistake them for being transgender or gay.

Just like how straight people experience homophobia to such a degree that they literally beat their children out of any potential deviance from rigidly upheld gender roles and let politicians make jokes on national TV about how they’d drown their pre-teen kids if they came out as LGBT. Do you really think a straight kid still figuring themselves out hears that and doesn’t internalize that homophobia? Doesn’t rigidly hold themselves to some impossible standard so that no one could ever possibly think they’re gay? You don’t think straight teenage boys who maybe don’t pass some bully’s straightness test are getting the shit kicked out of them for “being gay” when, surprise, they aren’t? You don’t think all those kids being attacked by their priests and coaches and teachers are being told “this wouldn’t have happened if you weren’t gay” when they’re literally not gay? Do you know how many straight kids had close calls at my school that famously expels all gay kids, because someone made up a believable enough rumor? Do you know how many of them still got their shit kicked in even though administration ultimately decided to let them stay?

All bigotry is violent and all bigotry catches people it doesn’t “intend” to and hurts them as well. It doesn’t matter what someone’s label is, or if they even have one. It matters if the person enacting the violence is doing it because their victim didn’t pass whatever “acceptable enough” test they didn’t know they were being subjected to.

Like if I as a white person got really tan, to the point that people thought I might actually have brown skin, and then had a bunch of other white people call me the n word repeatedly based on that…that would still be fundamentally different than calling a Black person the same thing. Like, not even a little bit close. Even if by some freak accident some chemical in the tanning solution made me permanently dark-skinned and forced me to experience even a good chunk of the sort of structural pressures Black people experience everyday, I would still be able to point to ancestry and accumulated white social and actual capital to protect myself from the worst of it. “Whiteness” and race as concepts may not be tangibly real, but structures have been built and maintained to ensure that everyone is forced to accept them as if they are real. Currency may not really be “real,” but that doesn’t suddenly mean I can go to the bar with Monopoly money and buy the whole place out.

A white person experiencing certain aspects/consequences of structural racism does not suddenly mean you can be racist against white people*. A cis woman being stopped outside the bathroom because someone thought she was a trans/nonbinary woman is not the same as a trans/nonbinary woman experiencing the same. And while I think the question of whether or not transmasculine people experience misogyny is extremely myopic (as are most answers to that question), I wish more transmascs like me would start to consider the idea that a lot of the issues (though not all of them) we experience that we may be tempted to call misogyny might actually just be transphobia and anti-transmasculinity. Moreover, I wish generally people had an understanding of patriarchy where it was less “man vs. woman” and more “man vs. non-man,” where trans men–yes, even the most manly, straight, passing trans men you might know–will never fully be accepted as men broadly, simply because they are trans.

I think you may need to tell that to the Sikhs killed due to Islamophobia, since white Americans can’t tell the difference.

My ex being injured by racists who thought he was mixed Chinese does not make him Chinese. That’s not at all within the text of this post so it’s a weird thing to argue. But it does make him affected by sinophobia, because it was the hatred of China and Chinese people that caused this problem. Bigotry comes from the bigot, not from the identity. Again, don’t believe me? Ask the US DOJ.

Read that again. Actual- or perceived- protected demographic. By definition, my ex experienced several anti-Asian hate crimes. So did my friend who turned out to not be Native. So did I when people more commonly mistook me for latina. That is the actual federal wording.

I’m not hiding behind my race or the argument of intersectionality. I am saying that you, a white person, are attempting to incorrectly explain how oppression works to me, a black person, who is using the actual definitions of what these words mean and how they are treated within political theory off of social media, because you are using a dramatically incorrect and incomplete view of the theory you’re trying to explain.

This is like. Really basic black theory knowledge. Really basic sociology theory. Even really basic feminist theory. If you are in the US, this is very literally how it works and how it’s defined. This is an intersectional conversation where thinga don’t quite fit into neatly sorted boxes.

Sikhs have long held an acknowledgement that some of the shit they go through is not even “supposed” to be directed at them. And a lot of Muslims have acknowledged the same, whether it’s in a wiki article or not.

It’s also weird that you’re so resistant to acknowledging that we have so much more in common than we don’t, and that things aren’t always so clear cut and easy to label. Someone experiencing oppression that’s not “for them” does not make them incapable of enacting that same oppression onto someone else, someone whose identity more fits the concept, or even someone just like them as a precautionary. Hell, someone experiencing oppression that DOES fit the label doesn’t even mean they can’t enact it on others- or did you miss that there are cis women on the Supreme Court that gleefully voted away reproductive rights? Did you miss the black politicians who happily buddy up to racists if that means they’ll get elected again? Did you forget that people like Kanye West and Caitlyn Jenner exist?

Please DO be that 'obnoxious' guy who brings up non-western trans men whenever other westerners start talking about issues of transphobia and misogyny like we don't exist.

A lot of the time, the risks for us bringing it up ourselves is much greater than that of a fellow westerner. Or we may not even be invited to the table to be able to say anything. We genuinely do need others to speak for us.

They might call you 'obnoxious' or 'reaching' but in times like that please remember that we are not a rhetorical tool

Trans men in the global south are REAL PEOPLE. Bringing us up is never 'strawmanning' or 'missing the point' or any other stupid ass excuse because we are not an imaginary 'other'.

It is always a good idea to bring up global southern trans men. And DO NOT let them make you feel guilty about it