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So Muslims and Christians have a right to certain sites in Israel because they have deep religious significance, but Jews don’t? They have no right to their own damn indigenous land? To the birthplace of their entire culture, religion, language, and identity? The amount of mental gymnastics and Jew hatred required to make these statements is mind numbing.

And for anyone that’s curious, Muslims and Christians already can and have been to Jerusalem for decades. The whole “Jerusalem is for everyone” is so fucking stupid because literally anyone can visit already. And this argument is even more rich when considering the Temple Mount, the literal holiest site in Judaism, has highly restricted access to non-Muslims. Jews cannot visit their own holiest site without massive restrictions and they are not allowed to pray there. Only as recent as this year have SOME Jews been allowed to pray there (discreetly and out of sight). They’re facing these restrictions in their own indigenous land, no less! You would think since Israel is a “Jewish supremacist” country they’d get rid of these restrictions in their own fucking capital city.

*catboys your Moses*

but practically every chapter has their own separate laundry list of posts like this, either celebrating terror attacks & massacres, or sharing Nazi memes, or hosting rallies that feature convicted terrorists as speakers, & where open support for Hamas et al goes unchallenged, etc. etc.

Both claims are lies.

I know those people. I know their congregation. They simply wouldn’t say that, which is no doubt why direct quotes weren’t used, but paraphrase.

I mean ancient Judean lifestyles. And yes, the Torah outlines a lot of it, which is amazing. But I don't want to just know that Judean women wore jewelry or nose rings or etc, I want to be able to know what our traditional Jewish jewelry looked like. Smaller specifics instead of the broad strokes.

We can know what religious garb looked like, and even the general gist of day to day clothing. But I want to know specifically what colors people would dye their clothes for their personal tastes, the specific embroidery designs that were worn.

I want to know how traditional Judean women wore their hair, both how they wore their head coverings (knot styles, accessories for the coverings, etc) and how unmarried women would adorn their heads.

I want to know what traditional Judean makeup looked like, what toys the children played with, so so so many aspects of ancient Jewish life that I have been able to find nothing about.

Maybe, of course, I just don't know enough history. But I've tried googling these things and I have not ever found a satisfactory answer.

I wish to know what traditional, pre-occupation, pre-exile Jewish life was like.

If anyone knows anything about any of this, please please please reblog or send an ask or comment about anything you know.

(Golani, Amir, and Deborah Sweeney. “THE IRON AGE JEWELRY.” Tel Beth-Shemesh: A Border Community in Judah, vol. 34, Penn State University Press, 2021, p. 610)

Man do ANY of you have anything original to say? 😂

I am against genocide. Full stop. No group, anywhere, ever, should be subjected to it.

''The founding of Israel was based on displacement of Palestinians''- Look, I don't want to minimize that at all because people losing their homes is fucking terrible but that doesn't mean the solution is expelling Israelis now. There was a population exchange between Greece and Tuurkey in 1922. Both sides ethnically cleansed people. It was a terrible thing to do. But both Turkey and Greece exist now as two seperate states with clearly defined borders (if you ignore some shit erdogan tries to pull in the agean). And you don't question Greece's or Turkey's right to not be wiped off.

''Israeli identity is fake because it was based on smth that happened 3000 years ago!!!''- Ok sorry to break it to you but us Greeks have made our entire national identity revolve around who we were 3000 years ago. And if you want to argue abt fakeness of identity I would argue ours was a less organic one. Jewish people maintained the same religion and basic belief systems for 3000 years. They continuously felt the connection with Eretz Yisrael. We switched to Orthodox christianity from whatever 12 god shit we had, we lost most of our literacy that allowed us to keep tpuch with ancient texts, we embraced so many customs from the Ottomans and YET it was still valid when we tried to reclaim our ancient greek identity to build a nation partly on the basis of that

''European colonial powers helped prop up Israel which means it is an imperialistic state!''- Do you think Greece got independence or gained more land purely through OUR military strength lol?

A lot of people seem to not grasp that just because things are “different” or conceptually distinct doesn’t mean they’re entirely separate or inherently unrelated, where any relation between them is entirely arbitrary & artificial.

Are there distinctions between Jews, the state of Israel, and the land of Israel? Yes. But the relationship between these things has so much overlap that you cannot honestly fully separate them.

If I had to visualize it as a Venn diagram, it might look something like this.

Eretz Yisrael is incredibly important to Jewish history & Jewish religion, and half of all Jews reside there, as citizens of Medinat Yisrael (where most of its population is Jews, and the makeup of its government reflects that), which represents the most substantial embodiment of Am Yisrael’s political autonomy at present or in the last two millennia—which is very clearly necessary with the amount of violence Jews face—and whose borders encompass most of Eretz Yisrael.

The historical boundaries of the land of Israel are not 1-for-1 with the modern state of Israel’s borders; there are plenty of Israelis who aren’t Jews, including in the government; there are Jews living in the diaspora; some of them do not care for the state of Israel at all. So yes, these three things are different ideas. But that doesn’t change the fact that they are still tightly related in every direction, and the exceptions are statistical outliers, not normative.