I feel like the TRF movement can be summed up as
"I think people who weren't born with a penis are inferior and therefore can't really be trans and therefore aren't oppressed."
But yeah no it's totally a feminist movement guys

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I feel like the TRF movement can be summed up as
"I think people who weren't born with a penis are inferior and therefore can't really be trans and therefore aren't oppressed."
But yeah no it's totally a feminist movement guys

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Transfeminists will with a straight face imply that the worst we suffer as trans men is when not everything is about us (ironic) or being made fun of by trans women online as if Sam Nordquist wasn't raped and tortured to death like a year ago.
Had he not been killed, we never would have heard a word about what he had gone through.
Not to mention that the whole concept of erasure and invisibility in regards to an entire demographic makes it difficult/borderline impossible to actually know with any certainty just how many trans men experience violent attacks for their transness, or are raped or murdered because it's all chalked up to "violence against Women" and information about these incidents rarely even see the light of day.
“Tme’s” chose labels for fun” ???? okay first. They’re totally talking about cis men and cis women totallyyyy totallyyyyyy tme totally isn’t just a word for trans men
second of all. Not a fan of the implication that trans men (and supposedly other afab trans ppl, but I doubt she considered that) do not experience dysphoria? The implication that anyone born with a pussy chooses to be trans?? Jesus Christ just say you don’t actually see trans men as really trans or respect their identity at all and just see them as confused girls who are abusing their pussy Privilege against the only “real” trans people…
Dr. Alan Hart, a trans man from the USA who pioneered the use of X-ray photography in tuberculosis detection (saving countless lives according to researchers), was "reclaimed" by the lesbian community after his death in 1962, which means he was deadnamed and described as "a women loving woman who had to transition because at the time transsexualism was a quick medicine against sexism and homophobia" by numerous gay and lesbian associations and activists (including Jonathan Ned Katz whom I just quoted and who received many awards for his contributions to... I don't know, transphobia against trans men I guess), even though his widow always expressed how offensive it was to both her and her husband to refer to them as lesbians.
Hart was on testosterone, legally changed his name, and had gotten a hysterectomy (that was described as "unfortunate" by the Right to Privacy gay and lesbian political action committee), making him the first documented trans man to transition in the USA, yet he was characterized as a lesbian woman because cis gays and lesbians had the nerve (when do they NOT have the nerve, dare I say) to think they had the right to "honor [his] life as a woman" by having fundraiser dinners with his deadname attached to them, having college lectures where they talked about him as a lesbian hero, and using she pronouns for him until 2000. The USAmerican trans community, including trans activist Lou Sullivan, had to fight to defend Hart's identity and to have his manhood recognized by the wider community by protesting these lectures and dinners and having a conversation with the Portland chapter of the Lesbian Avengers association, which ended up having a favorable response and joining the trans community in the battle.
I want to end this by reporting the words of Candice Hellen Brown, a trans woman from Portland who wrote a letter to Just Out magazine in 1994 defending Hart's transness:
The Right to Privacy Political Action Committee in Oregon has a big fundraiser every year that is called the [deadname] Hart Dinner. When asked if I am going, I indignantly answer, "Not until they stop using the wrong name and gender for one of our heroes!" His name is Alan [. . .] He never wavered from his identity as a man, and upon his death, his widow continued to insist that he was a man. Why would such a straight man be called a lesbian by the gay community when today we would certainly call him a female-to-male transsexual? [. . .] He was transsexual or, at least, a transgenderist - a true pioneer. One who is seen as a hero by today's transsexual community. Please don't let him be taken away from us by allowing his old name to be used as though it were a badge of honor.
Think about this story every time the "trans men never contributed to anything in history" discourse resurfaces again. If this can happen to a famous historical figure from the USA and from a relatively recent time who medically transitioned and was explicitly out as a trans man, imagine how many others from other countries, historical periods, and situations have been erased or "reclaimed".
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there's something to be said about the way trans women love to portray "TMEs" and how similar it is to how TERFs portray trans women
when you’re a little girl boys will say “so if boys and girls are equal that means I get to hit you right?”
and then you grow up to be a trans man and people will say to you “oh i thought you wanted to be a man, that means you have to put up with [abusive behavior]”
and they will tell you these 2 things do not stem from the same desires of gendered punishment and control
Thinking to myself "wow I wish I was born with a penis so I would actually be taken seriously in the trans community"
Then realizing that is exactly how I felt before transitioning when I was in misogynistic spaces
Though that could mean nothing
Made the mistake of unmuting some of my trans-related keywords on twitter a few weeks ago and my tl instantly flooded with shit like this. Grim.
”I hate trans men for being men, not for being trans!”
>pre transition, he was widely considered a woman
>if he remained “cis” he would be a woman
>trans men are men because they are trans
>trans men are trans because they are men
>if trans man was not trans, he would not be man
>if trans man was not man, he would not be trans
so yes, you do hate him for being trans actually. Because being trans is what made him a man. How is this hard to understand

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I'm growing increasingly disillusioned with the way the trans community as a whole expects trans men to pretend that they have never in their past or present experienced misogyny. Like someone could word for word say the most fouly misogynistic shit to me that is only being said to me because I'm transmasc, if it was said to a cis women the same people who insist I could never really be imoacted by misogyny would very much be able to call a duck a duck
i’ve honestly never heard a critique of the theory of gendered socialization that actually understands what gendered socialization is
Every single time, without fail!
> socialization theory is bioessentialist!
No, its the opposite, nature vs nurture. It states that gender roles and expectations are socially imposed, not biological or innate.
> socialization theory implies all people were raised exactly the same way with no nuance!
No, the fact that socialization varies based on time, place, culture, etc is key to the framework
> Socialization theory implies that people can never unlearn the roles they were forced into!
No, people are constantly being socialized 24/7 and socialization changes and evolves over time. One can learn to question or resist socialization
> I can't have been male / female socialized because I was punished for not fitting into those gender roles!
Yes, the punishment of gender nonconformity is a key part of socialization. Enforcing gender roles is like the whole point
> I can't have been male / female socialized because it traumatized me!
Yeah, socialization is often traumatic.
> I can't have been male/ female socialized because everyone could secretly detect my innate male / female essence!
This is unfalsifiable because the concept of a gendered soul or essence is a spiritual / metaphysical belief, but even if that were the case - again, punishing people who don't conform is the whole point. That's still socialization
> I can't have been socialized because I resisted all socialization by being trans / queer / marginalized!
You are not immune to propaganda
So, so very tired of seeing post after post that patronizingly tells trans men and mascs that we deserve to talk about the things we experience but that the way we’re doing it is transmisogyny because we use the wrong word, cuz we talk about how our bodies materially affect us, because we don’t add the disclaimer that trans women have it worse to every single post, cuz we suggest that we might be different from cis men, cuz we talk about how we’re treated differently to cis men, because we bring up the intersections of race and gender, class and gender, because, because, because…
But yes, we sure do deserve a space to talk about the issues we face. What issues are we allowed to talk about again?
"trans men have male privilege because cis men have male privilege" is like top 10 dumbest takes of all time for obvious reasons but it's also something a lot of people here talk about like it's an immutable fact of reality
Some people will see a transmasc making a ventpost on how his transition can lead to a situation where the patriarchy still treats him like shit but supposed 'anti-patriarchy' activists no longer allow him space to be angry and upset at his oppression. And decide to screengrab it and talk about how 'men have plenty of space to be angry' and 'trans men like to misgender themselves'.

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if a trans man needs to hide the fact that he's trans in order to access any form of male privilege, i simply do not believe that is real privilege. i will, and never will, accept that the closet is a privilege. any queer person can go into the closet to access "privilege," and it's dumb when you all try to argue that bs too. are you not tired of making the exact same arguments about recycled queer groups every 5-10 years? nothing is ever new except the New Queer Enemy really IS privileged and evil this time, we promise!
“given the whole world on a silver platter” oops, letting that reddit MRA side slip through?