bingo

But like.. on a completely different note, can they start electrocuting sohee’s hair again? I check in every like 4 months and they keep his hair straightened DOWN. Being reaal safe (and boring) with the average korean male cut. Please bring back the mess it was so much more interesting and suited his face more thanks

Anywho, sohee you are still great even if i dont gaf anymore.

And the way #they keep flip flopping between calling newjeans victims of MHJ’s grooming, to saying they’re villians for following MHJ. How are you calling them vicitms of grooming then victim-blaming in the same fucking sentence?? What the fuck?? What the fuck????

Honestly most of this feeling comes from just how much weird ass kpop stans (ESPECIALLY armys) be twisting their words and misunderstanding the entire case. The way they be dragging these girls (who are the only victims in the entire situation btw) for no other reason than the odd way they equate hybe to bts/other hybe groups. The way they think an attack on hybe = an attack on bts is genuinely concerning. I wholeheartedly believe that company Stans are under a group psychosis.

I just don’t understand why people constantly paint them as villains on the basis of the manager/bowing situation when the girls themselves never mentioned the group in question (illit) but belift did… ontop of the fact that the njz girls themselves have said that they understand the other girls’ position and didn’t want them involved at all?? I’m just so confused as to HOW people are twisting their intentions when its been in our faces since this blew up. And even ignoring the greetings fiasco, people act like them speaking up in the first place was an oh so terrible thing to do. Soo what I’m actually hearing from that is that yall want idols to speak up and be real until they actually do! Then all of a sudden they’re ungrateful liars. Right..

The constant doomposting on their return and career just gives that yall have been waiting for this moment lol. Like so many people have been waiting for them to slip up in any way since they’ve been at the top of their game with no serious controversies, and it’s just sad how many slanderous articles (iirc around 2-3k++) from hybes pr team have been pushed about them and kpop stans just eating up their slop. Like what ever happened to the idea that every kpop company was doodoo cheeks? I thought we were on the same page! People are making documentary-like videos to “explain” the situation in an “unbiased” manner, while in the same breath calling Hanni a “pretty criminal” for her visa/foreigner status pushed by racist headlines (I’m looking at you ‘the haniverse’ bobble headass bitch)

I get thinking that them going back to ador/hybe might be the better option considering how courts are acting, but do you genuinely think a company thats been and currently is pushing negative articles about them 24/7 would protect them and treat them nicely especially after their legal disputes? Where even before the girls themselves spoke out, the company sent trainee videos to dispatch of them dancing suggestively in heels as minors? A company where their internal staff slanders them during break time lmao? Like is that really a company that has their best interests because it sure as hell doesn’t look like that

ALSO the reaction to them and that hakyeon boy from tbz is so different its actually insane. Dude is suing for rumors that he engaged in prostitution and is called brave, justified, and courageous but NJZ speak up on the toxic workplace and they’re called ungrateful, leeches, and dumbos? (amongnst all different types of slut-shaming but whats new with stans) Sure, he’s justified in going after rumor-mongers but obviously he and the AV actress would deny prostitution since its illegal in roponggi. Not to mention that when the company caught him he said that he lied about sleeping with her to look cool. So that deserves more grace & praise than a group of teenagers who speak up on mistreatment & intentional leaks from their parent company? Kpop stans and their tolerance for male idols never ceases to amaze me no matter how long I’ve been a fan of the genre lol

I understand that as much as I see odd people that attack them, I see just as many people that know nothing about the case which makes them more prone to negative articles and hybe stans. But it’s just so difficult to see what’s actually happening when you get jumped for saying anything slightly positive on njz 😭 And my thing is, armys keep saying that “BTS built that company from the ground up” and yeah thats 100% true, but why are you blaming the girls and not the greedy execs that actually ruined “what they built” ? The girls speaking up isn’t whats ruining the company I promise you, maybe consider what led them to speak up in the first place

Just all in all, although courts don’t look to be in their favor, I have a huge feeling that they’ll be okay. I dont know how to explain it I just believe they’ll be okay and I’ve never felt this positively about a situation that looks as bad as it does 😭 They’re genuinely talented and had such a great team behind them, and as much as stans like to downplay them, their impact in just 2 years was insane. Like you have the whole 5th gen trying to recreate them to no avail lmaoo

Remember as deranged as you think you might be, a hybe stan (or any company stan but hybe stans have something special about them) is way worse off than you <3

(I know how all over the place this is but please give me grace my brain was overwhelmed as FUCK)

What REALLY sent me was the apology from the **company**. So confident in taking inspiration from black people yet can’t even say “black people/black culture” in the statement. Trying to pass it off as a “hiphop themed birthday” meanwhile the reference photo was not even a rapper, hip hop group, or nothing; it was just random black men on the street with hats on. Are we fr??????

I’m glad someone else agreed with that part. I do absolutely despise LSM, i’ve been a follower of SM groups for years and I hate soo many of his decisions over time. But honestly, the current SM management is by far the worst its ever been. Its like any good parts of the former management left were just thrown out the window and the artists are reaping the consequences. The already small amount of protection artists got is down to zero now. LSM always stuck with his artists (for better or worse). But he would especially stand with his artists when the parasocial freaks were going insane over relationships, which is precisely what happened with seunghan. Ontop of that he had great concepts/visions for groups that often times succeeded and set those groups apart from their peers. I would much rather have LSM’s old ass come back than whatever the hell is going on in that company right now. He’s a piece of shit, but I doubt he would’ve let this escalate this far.

It’s gonna be extremely hard for RIIZE to grow internationally under SM following this.

SM doesnt understand that riize will never be a proper “global group” if they dont listen to the voices of GLOBAL fans. if thats the case, stop promoting them as such. Stop giving them global brand deals, stop doing tours here, stop coming to the west entirely. Just stick to korea and its warped perception of what makes a “good idol.”

Y'all want global groups, global recognition, get into the western market, chart on billboard, want k-pop to be taken serious and elevate it but you can't do basic shit right and you're outdated as fuck. You want foreign recognition but dont wanna deal with foreign sensibilities. A group aiming for global success while simultaneously basing all their decisions on local outrage will never work.

And this isn’t setting a new precedent, its only cementing the precedent thats existed in k-pop for decades. SM has always enabled crazed fans and bullies for decades now instead of taking action and protecting their artists. This is unfortunately very on brand for them (however I still do think lsm would’ve kept seunghan but alas).

It was the ot6 “fans” acting like the decision to have him back in the group wasnt agreed upon by everyone else in the group for me. Cause how are you gonna be like “ooouuu but the other 6 members ouuu” well they wanted him back in SO WHAT NOW? Now they’re stuck with crazy ass fans thinking they own them, and I doubt they (the members) will ever see their fans the same way ever again. The fanbase has controlled so many of their moves its insane. First they didnt like the original fandom name so it was changed in 2 days along with an apology, announced a lightstick but they didnt like it so they pulled back the announcement and revealed a redesign, changed the hairstyling team because fans complained the styles were too different/outdated, now they kicked out an entire member because of the backlash? Wtf?

And I know for a fact briize will try to boycott and unless yall actually stand on business (which i doubt), its gonna fall flat. Cause lets not forget the amount of infighting that occurred during the hiatus period when people were only *discussing* boycotting. Talkin about “oh what about the other members” and “oh but the numbers.” The reason ot6 antis won SM over is because they saw that shit through, now look what happened.

Ima also need yall to stop saying the hate in korea was a “loud minority” because absolutely the fuck not. It was a loud majority of kfans and cfans advocating for his removal and poor health. Looking at the 1000+ death/funeral wreaths with seunghan’s name on it outside the SM building was absolutely heart wrenching, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the final straw for him among the other thousands of hate tweets with tens of thousands of likes on ktwt. As much as I’d love to have him in riize again, he deserves so much better than a company that doesnt protect him against that sheer amount of vitriol. I hope with everything in me that he has a proper support system.