on circle nine of WIP hell

Multiverse things

my “multiverse” is actually based on a real multiverse theory i forget the name of, which i’ve boiled down in my head to “one universe, multiple realities”, but they didn’t discover that until later (between generations 2 and 3), so they use universe, ‘verse and reality pretty interchangeably

so to clarify: -there is one universe (which is sometimes called the multiverse or spiderverse) -there are realities within it (which are sometimes called ‘verses, and sometimes called universes, but it’ll be clear when they're referring to the Universe) -and there are dimensions within the realities (which is what people like doctor strange futz with)

the other meaning of the word dimension:

time, space and reality are strings, they're all “webs”, it’s really confusing (think string theory), what matters is they're stronger in some places, weaker in others, and can be represented as strings in diagrams -the solidity of space is weakest on the planet Asgard, which is why they can use the Bifrost -the solidity of time is weakest on the planet Titan, Thanos’ place of birth, which is why he can do batshit magic like making Deadpool truly immortal -the solidity of reality is weakest on the planet Earth, which is why Spider-People all live on Earth

Time

the universe has a time, which is dictated by the length of the “Timeline Web”, which is made by the Master Weaver and expressed as a length (usually metric, because they’re all NERDS), and then each of the realities have their own chronological time that’s expressed the way we do in minutes hours days etc. For an example, Oldie, from memory comes when memory's old, is 100 years old at the end of that fic, but is only 16 kilometers old. His age is counted by how many kilometers of timeline web has been created since he initially became a spider-person. Noir, on the other hand, is 23 years old and 32 kilometers old, which makes him technically older in the grand scheme of things.

The length of the timeline web in relation to chronological time in one reality is not set, but they usually do the average, and they instinctively know the approximate conversion of timeline length->reality without thinking about it, but it takes a bit of finagling to convert someone else's time into theirs, like time zones, but stupid.

Realities are usually named after the first Spider-Person who got in touch with them after they started actually writing this shit down, and reality types are named after the first instance of that type, which tends to have the most similarities to any other realities in the type (as most of them are divergences from the original reality)

clusters are basically how the realities bunch together on the web, and it makes things like communication easier because instead of talking to 100s of people you talk to 20 at most.

everyone who has actual speaking lines in any of my fics are cluster Delta, canon spider-people are cluster Alpha

The spider-people call the space between realities (the great web) many names, but commonly “the Liminal”, “Mom’s house”, “Baba Yaga’s hut” and “Crabrave” have been used as euphemisms for it.

In the actual Spider-Man canon, Spider-Man and other Spider-People are “totemic avatars” (think D&D 5e warlocks) of a spider totem (god) called The Other. The Other’s purpose in the Great Web/Web of Life and Destiny/Web of Life/Web of Reality is unclear, but it gives one person (ie comics Peter Parker) its power

Here I said fuck that, it chooses at least one avatar from each universe, and Wrecks Shit in their body. For most of them, it’s a one and done, maybe two and done, thing for the initial mutation (which is a mix of radiation, magic and a type of virus that mutates dna to replicate bc i Said So), however, they all “grow into” their powers, getting stronger as time goes on.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS

For Wigs, (Earth-2268, yes i know it’s alphanumeric for VFH i did it intentionally) he has the initial mutation, but he “spontaneously mutates”, where he basically goes through that initial mutation cycle again (for like. two days instead of two weeks) and develops a new power/improves a current power. AT RANDOM TIMES. It drives him up the wall. So far, in no particular order, he’s gotten special eyes (which i’ve modeled off a spider), Murder Knives (keritanous, so like fingernails, growths in his wrists that have venom), No Sleep (spiders don’t sleep as much as they have periods of lower awareness, wigs kind of mindlessly does homework/busiwork like cleaning the casa and patrolling), and he’s arguably the strongest spider-person in terms of brute strength.

For Oldie, (Earth-3391, which is backwards from the year Spider-Man Noir, the Spider-Man he’s based on, became spider-man) he has the initial mutation, and since Noir-Verse spider-people are largely magic-based, they have a stronger connection to the Other (they think). Because of this, they are offered a choice by the Other. They can evolve, which requires a large amount of magical energy that goes into them (and mutates them as a result of the sudden magic), or they can die, and well, die. Oldie choses to evolve because he’s horrified about his own “selfishness” putting a kid into this mess. The magical version of the mutation cycle is different, they have no viral or radiation poisoning symptoms, and instead have magical spiders appear in random places, usually near where their cause of death was. All Spider-People are cursed, Oldie and Noir are just Especially Cursed.

Predictions

the spider-people can do some very iffy predictions using a really really messy word document (or a tapestry, in oldie’s case)

Basically, for every major event in every universe (ie Matt Murdock being revealed as Kingpin), the events that happened before and after it are recorded, and since the spider-people are VERY good at pattern recognition, they usually notice any patterns that appear. They then use that to make statistics.

For an example, in universes where Gwen Stacy (they usually go for “blonde white woman” in their official guides) is one of the first spider-people in New York, Matt Murdock is blinded by an acidic substance in a car crash, and he is also the Kingpin of NYC at some point. Since in every universe where Matt Murdock is blinded in a car crash Matt Murdock becomes the Kingpin, they know that a universe with Gwen Stacy as one of the first spider-people of NYC, Matt Murdock being blinded in a car crash OR Matt Murdock having acid scars around his eyes, will have a very very high chance of Matt Murdock being the Kingpin. (murderdock is a canon character btw)

Whereas, in a universe where Peter Parker is one of the first spider-people of NYC, Matt Murdock was blinded by being hit by a truck carrying chemicals, or Matt Murdock has alkaline scars around his eyes, will have a very very high chance of Matt Murdock being Daredevil.

Some events (mainly the ones that happen in the real world) are almost universal.

Family

Generations are dictated by the time in the scheme of the web they had their “accident”, so while Oldie is the eldest chronologically at 100, he’s 28* year-old Prime's younger brother, as he became Spider-Man after Prime did.

Relationship names are defined by generation, and are very VERY loosely used Gen 1-“The Control”, canon spider-people Gen 2-“Genetic Experiment” generation, the Other futzed with their mutations a lot Gen 3-“Environmental Experiment” generation, the Great Web futzed around with circumstances a lot Gen 4-“Confirmation” generation, they’re just jiving man

Usually, “older/twin/younger [sibling]” or “[aunt/ommer/uncle]” is used, with a preference to the sibling vein of things, but occasionally “family member of unspecified origin” are used as well. Older generation-“Older [sibling]”, "[Aunt/Ommer/Uncle]" Same generation-“Twin [sibling]”, "Cousin" Younger generation-“Younger [sibling]”, "[Nibling]"

Which gets interesting because Twist could theoretically say “My twin brother Oldie turned 100 today” at the tender age of 30 years old, and not be wrong. there is someone in Gen 4 whose father is in Gen 2, so she calls him dad, but the other gen 4s in that ‘verse call him their uncle exclusively, but they are an exception.

Language

There's at least one deaf character (he's technically canonical but his canonical "miracle cure" felt shitty and ableist so I made it so that never happened), they have a mute person (Crash) and they have a handful of non-English speakers, so they had to come up with a language.

The Spoken Language: Called Spinlish (pronounced Spine-glish), it's largely English (the majority of the Web are Anglophones), but they kind of have a Runglish situation going on, and they have loan-words from Semetic, Romantic, Niger-Congo (mainly Bantu), Japonic and Germanic languages, plus their slang is strange, making them almost incomprehensible to those new to the Web at first. It's largely intuitive and picked up quickly.

Signed Language: Called SSL, it's largely based on ASL (due to all of the Mileses, the people who were largely in charge of putting the language together, being ASL speakers), especially grammar and conventions, but modified to fit a Spider-Person's mask, as well as be signed largely one-handed (missing limbs, as well as just convenience). This is impossible for a nonspider-person to speak as it requires contortions, body movements and balance that aren't naturally occuring in humans. Most words are designed to be intelligible to anyone who can see, but some of the more complicated signs have to be explained. Unlike Spinglish, it was created intentionally, though there is some slang that just came about it from use. Most Spider-People can understand it entirely, and are given lessons if they can't. All the Mileses, some of the Peters and one Gwen are fully fluent. This is almost entirely based on if they interact with one of the Spider-People who almost exclusively use SSL.

Web Language: Called "Stringspeak", they mix Spinglish, alphanumeric alphabets, SSL and pitches (varying web lengths) to communicate, it's very rudimentary, and largely for short messages. As the language gets used more often, it's obtaining dialects, that aren't always mutually intelligible.

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Okay!!! (imagine i’m rubbing my stinky little fly hands together)

The People

Published

2268 Wigs-Verse or Frat-Verse

Wigs

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 2001, “accident” in February 2016, published up to July 2018, unpublished up to October 2018, “Gen 3”

His premise was basically “everything’s the same but spider-man, deadpool and venom all live in what’s basically a frat house”, but then plot got away from me and it’s now this sprawling reality with subplots

I had a lot of support from my adult friends in the trans community while I was having issues with my parents, and so if I'll be honest I based Peter's relationship with Wade and Matt and some of the other vigilantes to a lesser extent on my relationship with my friends. They've been a huge help over the years I've known them and I care about them dearly, so apparently I've written an inadvertant love letter to them.

It's not uncommon in the queer community for younger queer people to befriend older queer people as "mentors", particularly if their legal guardian's relationship with their queerness is less than ideal. I'm better with my parents now, but the friends and family I've made still matter to me greatly. It's difficult to describe the exact relationship with my trans friends (kind of like how Wigs feels with the other vigilantes*), and I feel like trying to actually label it something specific would do a disservice to them, but they're definitely Family.

This was completely inadvertant on my part btw but it's funny how it turned out

*This is different from how he sees the other Spider-People, whose relationship to him is much clearer.

Things to know: he hates adults unless they are His Adults (and his siblings) -the leading expert in bioengineering of all the spider-people. -fluent speaker of SSL (helped put it together), speaks Delta dialect of Webspeak

the official divergence(s): in the Wigs-Verse, a higher journalism presence during major events throughout the 20th century created a very paranoid generation in the 21st century, and the enhanced population was an easy group to demonize along with the rest. This was spurred further by the fucked up shit with Ultron, and then the Sokovia Accords, which blatantly violated the rights of enhanced people. Other minor divergences: Spider-Man’s parents were HYDRA but tried defecting, died because of it

Reality type: Doom-Verse, cluster Delta

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3391 Oldie-Verse

Oldie

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 1918, “accident” in February 1933, published up to 2018, “Gen 2”

His premise was inspired largely by the fact my favorite Spider-Man comic is the first Spider-Man Noir, and the fact I was listening to Everywhere at the End of Time by the Caretaker, and also that my dad told me the concept of an immortal who forgets things is cool. I was also inspired by the fact that one of Spider-Man’s most straightforward relationships is with Steve Rogers of all people, so I decided “hey, Steve Rogers was in New York, Peter Parker was in New York, what if they hung out?” and then I decided I’d attempt to make it sad.

Things to know: Serial killer jokes, senile jokes and octopus jokes are frequent. -Widely considered to be the biggest asshole of all the spider-people, but he’s just a ball of stress -HORRIBLE aim, still uses guns -Absolute MONSTER with any sort of fiber art -him and noir are the only spider-people who can fully regrow limbs (and it takes a very long time, it took oldie a decade to regrow a leg he lost just below his hip -has six arms by the end of memory comes when memory's old -fluent speaker of SSL and one of the first speakers of Webspeak

the official divergence(s): The Oldie-Verse has no known divergences (i haven’t decided and don’t feel like it matters tbh), as there have only been two Noir-Verses. Major difference from the other is Spider-Man is the only “superhero” who precedes WW2, unlike the Noir-Verse. Major events similar to Doom-verse

Reality Type: Noir-Verse, cluster Delta

Unpublished

18888 Crash-Verse

Crash (Override)

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 2001, “accident” in February 2016, his fic starts in 2021, “Gen 3”

He’s one of my oldest Spider-Mans, his premise was basically me getting annoyed at “Winter Soldier Peter Parker” fics and being a judgemental asshole and making my own fic out of it. Looking back, it probably wasn’t very nice, and it’s probably a good thing I never published anything at that time, but I got a lot out of his character.

Things to know: His healing factor prevented any HYDRA programming from happening, he’s just pretty amnesiac -he is mute (due to damage to his vocal cords slowly healing) -because of this he speaks almost exclusively in SSL (helped put it together), but he understands and writes in English or Spinglish -always wearing a scarf because of scarring -he is tall (he was given a super soldier serum that brought him to the height he would’ve been genetically, which was 5’10, and added a set amount of inches, putting him at a lovely 6’8) -He has brightly colored, long hair he takes very good care of -Widely considered the “nicest” Peter Parker -hacking expert.

He’s named after Crash Override, a character from the movie “Hackers” because he loves to cause trouble with his hacking

the official divergence(s): Heightened HYDRA presence made it so HYDRA had the resources to be able to kidnap Spider-Man, because a 15 year-old who can throw a car is pretty damn useful

Reality Type: Doom-Verse, cluster Delta

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4312 Duckie-Verse or Stooges-Verse

Duckie

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 1980, “accident” in February 1995, fic starts in September 2023, “Gen 2”

Things to know: chemistry teacher who accidentally killed the majority of the melanin in his body when he was about 30, white hair, pale-ish eyes, palest skin of the Peters -Divorced (from MJ Watson), has a daughter. -Dresses like an english professor who should've retired five years ago -actually only about 43 -Wears glasses to complete the look -has lunch dates with miles' parents after they confront him -he can really only do basic conversation and discuss chemistry in SSL -Knows who the other spiders in his universe are.

Moe

May “Mayday” Parker born June 2008, “accident” in February 2023, “Gen 4”

Things to know: (unknowingly) mutant (not the x-gene kind) AND mutate -does not know her dad is Red-Suit Spider-Man/Duckie -calls Duckie an uncle until She Knows. -Runs on the track team -Loves both her parents, mad about the divorce -Knows the other Gen 4s’ identities -Called “Red-Suit Spider-Woman”.

Curly

Miles Gonzalo Morales born August 2008, “accident” in February 2023, “Gen 4”

Things to know: goes to a different school from Larry and Moe -calls Duckie an uncle -his parents figure it out pretty quick. -he figures out who duckie is first -trans!!!! -Did gymnastics, likes to do gymnastics routines with Duckie. -fluent SSL speaker, talks to Duckie (as Spider-Man) in it for practice, but he's better at it than Duckie. -Knows the other Gen 4s’ identities. -Called “Black-Suit Spider-Man”.

Larry

Gwen Maxine Stacy born January 2009, “accident” in February 2023, “Gen 4”

Things to know: in Duckie’s chemistry class with Moe -runs track -trans!!! -Calls Duckie an uncle -her dad DOES NOT know she’s Spider-Woman -Rambles about chemistry to Duckie, who rambles back -Knows the other Gen 4s’ identities. -Called “White-Suit Spider-Woman”.

This universe was a joke about Peter Parker being a mess unless he was responsible for small children, and then it became this joke about him having to babysit baby vigilantes and doing well until they find him sobbing in the bathtub eating pizza. Also I like the Concept of Mayday Parker.

the official divergence(s):? this universe has the most Spider-People and they have no idea why.

Reality Type: Prime-Verse, cluster Delta

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3140 “Twist-Verse”

Twist

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 1990, "accident” in February 2005, fic starts in 2009, “Gen 2”

His premise is literally just this post.

Things to know Peter’s a chemistry teacher

-his universe has some FUCKED up things going on with iron man

-at one point the spiders thought iron man was a rogue program created by tony stark that he refused to own up to, but now they know that's wrong

the official divergence(s): iron man's arc reactor was not removed to create iron monger, iron man became a supervillain, though Twist doesn't really consider him one

Reality Type: Doom-Verse, cluster Delta

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6542 “Waterspout-Verse”

Itsy

Gwen Maxine Stacy born January 2001, “accident” in February 2016, fic starts then, “Gen 4”

Things to know: grumpy -runs track -speaks SSL fluently

Bitsy

Miles Gonzalo Morales born August 2001, “accident” in February 2016, “Gen 4”

Things to know:Didn't become Spider-Man until Peter Parker died -after a while him and thor become really good friends and Miles can't figure out why -one of the guys who came up with SSL

their premise what if Gwen and Miles were spider-people at the same time and also enemies to allies to best friends

official divergence(s):Ghost-Verse but with Miles Morales too

Reality Type: Ghost-Verse, cluster Delta

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71121 "Klutz-Verse"

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 2001, “accident” in February 2016, his fic starts in late 2016, “Gen 4”

Things to know: he’s the least cynical of the Peter Parkers -a bit too cheerful -it's a little abrasive to the other Peters but he gets along with the Mileses well -worst at SSL, self-conscious enough he doesn't ask for help

His premise was like. “Tony Stark’s Tiny Bodyguard He Doesn't Know About”, because I thought it was funny.

He originally started out as the hero worship thing but due to the Falling Out with Stark all my “Doom-Verse” (MCU-adjacent) Peters have, he’s doing it a little more out of obligation and that shit goes very very wrong if a Major Player dies. Stark is oblivious to all of this.

the official divergence(s): Peter Parker does not lose his internship the second time by throwing the iron man suit out the window

Reality Type: Doom-Verse, Cluster Delta

NOT MINE, WILL ONLY BE MENTIONED

616 Earth Prime

Prime

Peter Benjamin Parker, year of birth changes, but it’s always August, now he is 28, “Gen 1”

Things to know:this is the comics canon Peter Parker

Twosie

Miles Gonzalo Morales, year of birth changes, but it's always August, and he's always younger than Peter, now he is 16, "Gen 2"

Things to know:this is the comics canon Miles Morales -mastermind behind SSL, started it out on his own, Prime tried to help. Bitsy, Crash, Wigs, then Crash again when he came back, later helped him pull it all together.

This ‘verse is technically timeless, like the actual marvel comics, but Peter’s 28, and Miles is 16. Peter was 28 when Gen 2 showed up, and has been since, whereas Miles was 15, and now he is 16.

Reality Type:The Prime-Verse, cluster Alpha

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19999 Doom-Verse

Doom-Verse

Peter Benjamin Parker born August 2001, “accident” early 2016, “Gen 4”

MCU-adjacent (anything after black panther does not happen)

They really don't mention him but he exists

Reality Type: The Doom-Verse, cluster Alpha

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90214 Noir-Verse

Noir

Peter Benjamin Parker born ???, “accident” in winter of 1933, “Gen 1”

Literally Spider-Man Noir, he's one of my favorite canon spider-people

Reality Type: The Noir-Verse, Cluster Alpha