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"trans men are both men and targets of misogyny."

"so youre misgendering yourself and clinging to your agab."

"no, trans men are most often treated like broken women and are percieved and enforced by society as such."

"see? transandrobros love talking about how much trans women are male socialized with male privilege, so they can be innocent little babies with glass bones and paper skin"

"no, trans women at any stage of transition are also othered and treated as broken, no trans person has access to-"

"so youre misgendering yourself and clinging to your agab against the big scary trans women"

Other people can't do that for you.

theres billions of men in the world, even if a large portion of them promotes and embodies toxic masculinity, there are also a lot of men who are embodying the good parts of masculinity. its easier to find toxic masculinity in the internet due to the culture created by the patriarchy, but this is why its important to look for the good men, so that people can find good role models for masculinity and manhood

the problem with "not all men" is its often used as a derailment on the discussion of misogyny. my post isnt about misogyny, its about how people think about men in general, and how that affects transmascs. im not using it to distract from or justify misogyny, im using it to illustrate how peoples perception affects how they treat marginalized groups

Why don't the mascs focus on unlearning toxic masculinity instead of going "hey you can't just assume we're at like that" and then being exactly like that

how is that in any way related? we are talking about different things here. youre talking about how transmascs need to unlearn toxic masculinity. my post is about how ONLY associating manhood and masculinity with negative stuff affects your allyship with trans men

i never mentioned anything being the fault of women. youre just making assumptions about what i believe and rewrote the post in your mind. in this reblog chain, i only talked about women once because theyre not the focus of this point. and when i did, its just to make a parallel, not to blame them for anything

What I do see a lot of, is trans women pointing out misogynistic behaviors from our brothers and being met with them being defensive and saying that our criticism only comes from a place of using masculinity.

It does not.

Other people can't do that for you.

theres billions of men in the world, even if a large portion of them promotes and embodies toxic masculinity, there are also a lot of men who are embodying the good parts of masculinity. its easier to find toxic masculinity in the internet due to the culture created by the patriarchy, but this is why its important to look for the good men, so that people can find good role models for masculinity and manhood

the problem with "not all men" is its often used as a derailment on the discussion of misogyny. my post isnt about misogyny, its about how people think about men in general, and how that affects transmascs. im not using it to distract from or justify misogyny, im using it to illustrate how peoples perception affects how they treat marginalized groups

Why don't the mascs focus on unlearning toxic masculinity instead of going "hey you can't just assume we're at like that" and then being exactly like that

how is that in any way related? we are talking about different things here. youre talking about how transmascs need to unlearn toxic masculinity. my post is about how ONLY associating manhood and masculinity with negative stuff affects your allyship with trans men

i never mentioned anything being the fault of women. youre just making assumptions about what i believe and rewrote the post in your mind. in this reblog chain, i only talked about women once because theyre not the focus of this point. and when i did, its just to make a parallel, not to blame them for anything

Other people can't do that for you.

theres billions of men in the world, even if a large portion of them promotes and embodies toxic masculinity, there are also a lot of men who are embodying the good parts of masculinity. its easier to find toxic masculinity in the internet due to the culture created by the patriarchy, but this is why its important to look for the good men, so that people can find good role models for masculinity and manhood

the problem with "not all men" is its often used as a derailment on the discussion of misogyny. my post isnt about misogyny, its about how people think about men in general, and how that affects transmascs. im not using it to distract from or justify misogyny, im using it to illustrate how peoples perception affects how they treat marginalized groups

Why don't the mascs focus on unlearning toxic masculinity instead of going "hey you can't just assume we're at like that" and then being exactly like that

how is that in any way related? we are talking about different things here. youre talking about how transmascs need to unlearn toxic masculinity. my post is about how ONLY associating manhood and masculinity with negative stuff affects your allyship with trans men

Other people can't do that for you.

theres billions of men in the world, even if a large portion of them promotes and embodies toxic masculinity, there are also a lot of men who are embodying the good parts of masculinity. its easier to find toxic masculinity in the internet due to the culture created by the patriarchy, but this is why its important to look for the good men, so that people can find good role models for masculinity and manhood

Shit. Um. I'll be honest, I can't think of a positive and universal generalization of men. Or women for that matter. Like I can think of examples of individuals of each having good qualities. But none of those qualities are gender locked or even standard within the gender. My mum is hard working and kind. But so is my Dad. My Dad can be a hothead. But so can my mum. My best friend is cool as fuck. And also gender fluid and his cool as fuck status does not shift with his gender identity. I had bullies of both genders growing up and one was not markedly worse or better than the other. I can think of singers male and female who I listen to regularly.

Pointing out the bioessentalism of trans men playing on womens' teams while transfeminine athletes are being banned from any and all participation on any team is "transmisandry" apparently.

in your post, you literally said "shouts the man who..." then proceeds to describe isaac ranson, and even reblogged it clarifying that youre referring to him. so, did he actually say that or are you just comfortable of accusing him of being transmisogynistic for doing what he can in order to legally participate in sports?

Pointing out the bioessentalism of trans men playing on womens' teams while transfeminine athletes are being banned from any and all participation on any team is "transmisandry" apparently.

i didnt even use transmisandry, you seem to enjoy putting words in the mouths of people you dislike and i do not appreciate that

thats not what youre doing, youre framing isaac ranson as some transmisogynist when all he did is do what he can to legally participate in sports

instead of acknowledging that a trans person having to hold out on hrt to play sports is a sign of a horrible legal system, you instead focus on the trans person who has to stop their medication as a sign that hes actually being transmisogynistic, ignoring how he doesnt control the legal system in any way

is as useless of a statement as,

"Lesbians aren't as oppressed as gay men! Look at all these laws targeting gay men but not lesbians!"

I'd be rightfully chastised for saying the latter, but apparently the former is just "transfeminism 101" to some people.

And to be clear, there are STILL places in the world where male homosexuality is punished but female homosexuality isn't. Would you say that queer women are privileged in these places? NO! You would recognise that the methods for oppressing queerness often differs based on the gender one is socially imposed upon birth.

The oppression of transmasculine people is often enacted in ways similar to that of cis women, especially cis queer women. These include tactics such as corrective rape/forced pregnancy and being dismissed as "confused" and "delusional," but also "predatory Evil Women who are going to Corrupt Your Daughters."

Unfortunately, this means a lot of trans men must be considered "not real men" in order to have their experiences validated. Transgender theory and mainstream transfeminism has failed in this regard. Since the idea of "a man being oppressed for being a man" is counterintuitive to decades of feminist thought, it is rejected outright.

Some say, "you're not oppressed for being a man, you're oppressed for being trans" as if those are distinct categories in this context.

Like, No, that is what you are doing. If you believe that "you need x sex and x genital to experience y symptom/disability" is a general truth, you have a TERF level understanding of anatomy and biology. It is wrong and it is putting people in danger.

I will give a personal example; I am a cis man, first AMAB, then re-assigned to female. I have no formed uterus or cervix, but I have uterine and cervix tissue in my body. So I have endometriosis. But by her logic, I would not be able to get endometriosis or cervix cancer because I am AMAB and have no cervix. But I am at the risk of getting cervix cancer. I need to go to check ups once a year, which a real doctor and specialist performs.

Endometriosis is not the "vagina and uterus disability", it literally just means that there is uterine tissue somewhere where it isn't supposed to be.

Also, after being forced on estrogen in my teenage years, I began experiencing period symptoms and despite my hormone levels now being at the levels of an average cis man again, these symptoms never went away. I experience severe pain, sleeplessness and depression at a steady 28/29 days rhythm.

The "it only happens rarely in people AMAB/men" is the reason I might need medical intervention soon, because that was the same thing they told me about Lichen Ruber and now it is causing severe complications with my IGM scars.

"Oh but she only meant perisex people!" And how the fuck does he know who is perisex and who is not? I didn't know I was intersex for most of my life. This is also why her constant repeat of "endometriosis in men is so rare it doesn't matter" annoys me so much, because "its so rare" is one of the main reasons why many people don't learn that they are intersex. Any of these people she is claiming to be lying about their disabilities could be intersex without knowing. And even if not, she was linked a literal study showing that men can have endometriosis and disregarded it. Human bodies and the process of gestation are incredibly complex and to deny that is denying the experience of many, many, many people.

He also thought it was a good idea to semi rape-jacket me after I disagreed with him/one of his cronies; for context the other person repeated the "its so rare it doesn't matter" and called me a Christian, because they saw in my pinned that I write cnc religious corruption content. Which I asked them not to do, because I am indigenous. Her response to that was this:

Besides the implication that I cannot live in Germany and be indigenous (as if people cannot move countries or as if indigenous people don't exist all around the globe); this is the level of discourse we are at.

I would not point that out, usually. But he is anti-kink and has still to delete the comments from TERFs supporting his position, strangely. He has deleted other comments, but these are still up. This does not paint the best picture. You can't cry about people calling you a TERF when you talk about people's bodies like one, throw accusations at people like one and agree with them whenever it suits you.