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Wangxian on my mind today have my MDZS character lineup (again)

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realising that jiang cheng antis 100% seriously and vehemently believe that jiang cheng is a, and i quote, a "homophobic genocidal maniac" is truly the most mind boggling perspective shift of all time
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to my og followers im back in my mdzs (and danmei)(and xianxia) era this is actually a redraw of a wip i never finished
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very funny to see certain MDZS fans call what happened to qishan wen a "genocide," when you know they'd pop a blood vessel if you called yunmeng jiang getting deliberately massacred down to 3 people the same thing
Actually no I wouldn't because that is the entire fucking point. Lotus Pier doesn't justify Jiang Cheng's actions, friend. Even if the Wen siblings hadn't saved his life (at the risk of angering their own genocidal maniac of an uncle) it would still have been wrong of him to turn around and support the imprisonment and murder of every person surnames Wen who did not harm Lotus Pier. Remember that post you made recently about not making groups of people into monoliths? This would be a great fucking place to apply that lesson.
nowhere in my original post did i say that the genocide of yunmeng jiang justified the genocide of qishan wen. if you're going to make up a new post to get mad at, do it somewhere else.
the purpose of this post is to highlight a discrepancy i have observed with my own eyes in the MDZS fandom: the tendency to describe what happened to qishan wen and its members as a genocide, but the refusal to describe what happened to yunmeng jiang and its members as the same thing.
the fact that you have jumped from this claim to "and therefore OP is saying that the genocide of yunmeng jiang justifies the genocide of qishan wen" is, frankly speaking, astonishing.
anyways, you can donate to UNRWA here.
Then why put the word genocide in quotes when referring to the Wens? You were being both purposefully dismissive and inflammatory, and you made an implicit false justification.
Thank you for sharing a link to unrwa, I am already a donor and I am glad to see it shared openly.
Then why put the word genocide in quotes when referring to the Wens?
because i'm quoting other people's words.
you made an implicit false justification.
you seem to love reading a post and then inventing a new post to get mad about. the fact that you read an "implicit false justification" for genocide in my post tells me more about your values and your views surrounding genocide than it does anything else.
You were being both purposefully dismissive and inflammatory
and you seem to be going out of your way to find reasons to be angry with me. very sect leader yao-ish of you.
to add an adjacent hot take, just for the purpose of bringing joy, peace and prosperity to the discourse space: i think that it’s strange to call what happened to the wen a “genocide.” i would argue that it’s much more in line with an “execute/punish all nine generations” type thing rather than a legitimate genocide, unless you want to argue that the wen and their ancillary clans compose a distinct ethnic and cultural group rather than just a feudal clan.
by this same logic, the destruction of lotus pier is also not a genocide.
#I was actually thinking about exactly this in the car#in fact I WOULDN’T call either of those things genocide bc everyone in MDZS is fucking Han Chinese#they are all the same ethnic group! they live in roughly the same part of China that is mostly Han Chinese!#they speak the same language and have the same cultural and religious practices!#I believe they do indeed all in fact live in the same *country* as a defined political unit (I think mxtx is on record#that there’s an emperor of China somewhere out there who just never comes up).
that country btw is not ‘the jianghu’#the Jianghu has a very specific meaning and it is not a political unit. it’s. hmm. best comparison I can think of#is whatever the fuck all those assassins are doing in the John Wick franchise? that’s basically what the jianghu is
#and I do think what MXTX was invoking with both massacres/persecutions#was the nine generations thing#which is about wiping out an entire extended FAMILY which is absolutely devastating and horrendous in almost any cultural context#but particularly in one that heavily features ancestor worship#and wiping out a family line literally kills both the living AND the ancestral spirits#(pardon me if I phrased that poorly I’m still learning the nuances of that)#it is a very terrible thing to have happen to your family and the point here isn’t actually to downplay that#but I do think it’s somewhat relevant to the themes about cyclical violence and revenge and forgiveness
#anyway I think a lot of the category confusion going on here is western fans with no particular knowledge of Chinese history/culture/lit#not really knowing what the fuck a martial sect is (it’s much more like a school? and like schools they can vary widely#in terms of the size of group membership and degrees of wealth or political sway in a region)#and also MXTX being kinda vague in her worldbuilding and playing a little loose with both wuxia tropes#and any of the actual historical aspects of her Ancient Chinese Fantasy setting
#anyway all that said regardless of how you chose to define it#it’s uhhhh stunningly obvious that what happens to the Jiang and later the Wen are intended as parallels#and if you are downplaying the significance of EITHER devastating act/practice of mass murder#particularly in favor of emphasizing the other one#you are spectacularly missing at least one of the points of the narrative
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I've always disliked the creep of American culture over Australia, but I think this is the worst thing yet.
Retailers have started running Black Friday sales. This is very wrong because:
We don't celebrate Thanksgiving
Black Friday is January 13 1939, when bushfires wiped out 2 million hectares and killed 71 people
It's really upsetting that the first page of Google results for "Black Friday Australia" are all sales. Please. That is not our country.
Black Friday is the second largest (by area) bushfire in recorded Australian history. It lead to a Royal Commission on forestry management to mitigate future fires.
The fires currently burning in NSW and Queensland have destroyed 1.6 million hectares so far, which has been exacerbated by inaction on climate change and cutting of funding to fire services by Gladys "koala killer" Berejiklian.
Just...no. I can't deal with this. Please don't encourage retailers by spending money on their "black Friday" sales. Consider donating to the RFS instead.
Bringing this back because I just got my first Black Friday sale ad on fb from an Australian company and I want to start throwing hands.
It's frightening that only 1.6 million ha were destroyed at the time of my post, because by the end of Black Summer it was 18.6 million ha.
And to my fellow Aussies: ad standards won't do anything about advertisers running Black Friday sales, but you can directly message companies and tell them you think it's in very poor taste.
Bringing this back.
18.6 million hectares is three quarters the size of the United Kingdom. It is slightly larger than the US state of Washington. But hey, consumerism.
out of all the Takes That Boggle The Mind, the take that "jiang cheng deliberately sabotaged wang and xian! he knew lan wangji loved wei wuxian but deliberately misled wei wuxian into thinking lan wangji hated him!" has to be one of the takes that Boggles the most. you're ascribing to jiang cheng a proficiency in LWJ-specific telepathy no one in canon save lan xichen and maybe lan qiren possesses.
Perhaps Curufin is not absent from the family tradition of great and famous works of craft, between his father and his son -- but all his greatest works, arms and armour and tools of war, sank with Beleriand into obscurity instead. Little enough of the Fëanárian camp survived to tell of them, Gondolindrim and Iathrim bards and historians never knew them; under the sea lie treasures that would put Turgon's swords to shame ten times over, and Middle-earth has forgotten them.
#something something the deliciously marked symmetry of destruction being met ultimately with destruction - that even generative acts#(done for purposes of war and violence and conquest)#are doomed in the end to be effaced by a larger litany of misdeeds#and something too about the sons of fëanor expecting - even counting on - being remembered forever; heroically or not#and then they just... disappear. barely even a matter of song @riding-with-the-wild-hunt gets it spot-on.
It's hard to speak well of weapons that were used as tools of war and terror, whose heritage is inevitably stained by the blood of kin; it's hard to find beauty, though beauty there surely was, in tools that have become not just synonymous with, but emblematic of slaughter and cruelty. In swords used to slay your mothers and your brothers and plate that will haunt your children and their children and their children's children like a spectre of sin for millennia; perhaps there is a heritage left, yes, but it is one that has become a cautionary tale.
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This pic WZC posted is so jiang fengmian core. Something something jiang cheng as a new sect leader trying to look like his father to gain respect…
You hear about the massacre at Lotus Pier. It's a tragedy amongst tragedies as the Wens roll over the Jianghu, extorting minor sects with the threat that they've taken down much larger ones. You hear about survivors - just two, and one missing, both of them just boys. You imagine they must be nothing, wisps of young men in dirt and ash. But you also hear that one of them is gaining a following. Pulling together all the other cultivators left behind in the aftermath seemingly with nothing to offer them but some miraculous vision of victory and revenge. It sounds unbelievably. He's just some kid.
Then you see young Jiang-zongzhu stride into the war camp and you find yourself incapable of not rising, one foot already poised to follow him.
Seeing him like this, it all makes sense.
People gotta stop woobifying jyp that man is evil
this post is so funny to me because this is absolutely a thing and was very popular at one point. people already did it 40 years ago and its called new romantic

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This pic WZC posted is so jiang fengmian core. Something something jiang cheng as a new sect leader trying to look like his father to gain respect…
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No
I mean, if you want a scientific answer, yes, but only after the sun rises for the first time and the world is curved, since Aurora are caused by the interaction of solar wind (hence the sun) and the magnetosphere (which is generated by the churning motion of Earth's liquid iron core, therefore needing the post-Númenor curvature of the Earth)
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