idk it’s just pretty odd to see “anti SJW” types decrying call out culture when they also were a-okay with some creep airing out his dirty laundry with his ex girlfriend and spearheading a harassment campaign against her
Actually I think it was horrible and disgusting that he aired their dirty laundry the way he did.
However, the proverbial genie is out of the bottle, I dont know what you expect any of us to do about it.
Publicly decry and disavow him and his actions, and don’t align yourself with a group that sprung up from that event. Think critically about why you still identify with a movement that originated with something you find morally repugnant.
Like, I’m not going to get into the nitty gritty re: gamergate BUT I will take this as opportunity to talk about this whole “don’t align yourself with movements that have bad histories” thing, b/c it’s super common, and also super impossible!
I mean, b/c it really is! It doesn’t matter what your movement or political position is, there is no actually morally sound movement that did not start with having some bad intentions in it.
Like, feminism is one of those really ubiquitous movements, but even THAT began with white women wanting the vote b/c they were WHITE women, not because they were women. The 1910 Suffragettes very clearly argued in favor of keeping the vote racially segregated, and the only reason there was a lot of push-back against the movement was b/c the old white dudes KNEW that if they let white women have the vote, then they’d have to let black men have it, too. And then black women, and the Chinese, and then the savages! Where would it end???? And even after getting the vote, Suffragettes voted in favor of segregation, and some were known for filing false rape accusations against black men, in order to ~prove~ that black people didn’t deserve their rights.
And even after two major reforms, feminism STILL hasn’t really address its race problem, plays the No True Scotsman fallacy regarding TERFs (instead of addressing how TERFs spawned specifically BECAUSE of feminist vagina=woman rhetoric, including the entire “trans woman=man=rapist in bathrooms logic that is STILL a big problem), and the moment you mention political lesbians it’s all ~that’s their identity~.
But hey, let’s move away from feminism for a moment, right? How about Civil Rights? Well during that whole 1960s pre-LGBT scene, many LGBT POC didn’t go to the bars or w/e b/c of community backlash. So much of the Civil Rights movement was built upon highly religious community strength, which was great for getting people to band together against racism, but it also made it EXTREMELY FRIGHTENING for LGBT POC who, unlike the whites, didn’t have the luxury of getting along without community. But here we are in 2015, and now it’s all “WHITE CIS GAYS ON GRINDR ARE WHY THERE ARE NO POC” like wow great accountability there!
And to round it off, why not the LGBT scene? Which was, as we all know, originally just the Gay Straight Alliance scene, b/c trans rhetoric is FANTASTICALLY new. So for the longest time it was GSA, then LGBA, then LGBTA, then LGBT, then LGB, then no wait LGBT, and now MONOSEXISM UR PRIVILEGED IF GAY EVIL CIS GAYS OPPRESS BI PPL and ASEXUAL IS MOST OPPRESSED and I AM CUPIOGENDER DEMIRAISINSEXUAL MY PRONOUNS ARE BUR/BURG/BURGER FUCK U DOWN WITH CIS LOL.
Like, this whole “don’t associate with morally bad groups” is impossible, b/c EVERY group is morally bad to some degree. The only difference comes down to how it’s presented. You wouldn’t know that feminism spawned from the same type of white nationalism that gamergate supposedly did, b/c feminism is presented as Women’s Liberation, thanks ENTIRELY to great PR and favorable news coverage. I mean, feminists will still lament over the occasional feminazi trope on TV, but they have some of the best coverage of any liberation or equal rights group out there, like 100% let’s be real, y’know?
Likewise, the only reason gamergate is known for having spawned from white nationalism and jaded ex-boyfriend, is b/c games media (who was gamergate’s main target, despite everything else) presented it that way. The reason you view Eron’s post as ~dirty laundry~ and not calling out an emotionally abusive spouse (which many people who have been victims of abuse confirm is the base context of the post) is b/c it fit the gamergate=sexist narrative that sites like Kotaku exploited to discredit it. You don’t hear about how Zoe wanted to stop pressing charges on Eron so she could charge him in a different state, with more broad definitions of harassment. You don’t hear about how this happened IMMEDIATELY after she confessed to literally cyber stalking him, and how she tried to use her stalking him as evidence of him harassing her. You don’t hear that.
And even then, let’s look at the anti-GG side. Nobody talks about how Brianna Wu got fucking dogpiled by her supposed allies, who used transphobic and sexist pejoratives, b/c she had the gall to have coffee with Brad Wardell. Nobody talks about how SHE had to apologize for THEM harassing her. And how about the current defense squad for Sarah Nyeberg, who (at the age of 20) sexually harassed minors online, posted child porn, and even posted images of her own cousin? And let’s not forget about Zoe “I’m an expert on online harassment” Quinn, who doxxed minors for lulz on Helldump just a scant THREE YEARS AGO, and only stopped b/c SomethingAwful Forums (the place 4chan got its memes from) had more moral sensibilities than she did and closed Helldump down after a young girl allegedly committed suicide b/c of Quinn and other Helldump denizens. Or Leigh Alexander, who bragged about beating up a black woman? Or the entirety of the game journos who gleefully posted Lol Wimmenz Amirite? articles back in 2012, and now act like they’re not at fault for w/e gaming culture is.
Like.
It’s impossible to not be associated with something morally repugnant. So it’s just so funny to me that “disassociate urself from X group” is the go-to response, when those same people are willing to overlook the same shit in their own group b/c ~it’s different~.
What I’m getting at is that y’all are more alike than you are different, so any advice you give GG is advice that also applies to you. As such, I would suggest either ditching that arguing tactic, or at least practicing what you preach. B/c I mean, if you’re going to excuse the bad shit in your group/s, then why lecture others for doing the same, y’know?
Fantastic examples and well stated














