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The Amazing Digital Circus’ biggest fumble to me will always be how it handled Ragatha and Jax’s relationship. Not because it was a poorly written dynamic but because it was so complex in comparison to most of TADC’s dynamics to make for a wonderful foil story. Yet, the show never bothers to explore them any further outside of Ribbit and Pomni.
Ragatha and Jax were introduced as narrative foils, had an ambivalent relationship that always hinted at more, had parallels to Ted/Ellen and several married characters, were confirmed to be ex-friends, often criticized the other but still cared about them, etc. Yet, the show never properly addresses this dynamic between both of them outside of their sole POVS. Past 5-6, it genuinely felt like they no longer cared about developing Ragatha’s character any further, especially with Jax. Ragatha and Jax’s dynamic was too peak for Goose, it combusted.
It makes me actually ill to think about how Jax and Ragatha are constantly seeking out each other's attention.... Like they claim to not care but they are ALWAYS instigating so they can make the other react. And it's not even just Jax who does this, Ragatha is more subtle most of the time but she is SO bad with it too. Theyre genuinely obsessed with each other.
I soooo frequently think about when Ragatha is teaching Gangle softball stuff and Jax accidentally hits her and she immediately goes "JAX 🤬🤬🤬🤬" and yells at him until the audio fades out. It's the funniest thing in the world to me that she's so sweeties all the time and so nervous to stand up to literally anyone else and risk hurting their feelings, but whenever Jax does something she doesn't like she does NOT hesitate to put him in his place.
The best part about this is how much Jax is concerned with how she sees him because you can hear them still having a conversation where he says, "Why do you always make me the bad guy. I'm not actually a bad guy."
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GLITCH really chose THAT song for the new ad, huh?
The Kinger/Queenie and Baron/Martha parallels will never fail to amaze me because I wonder why Queenie abstracted and why Kinger despised himself for it.
Also, I find it strange how Jax and Ragatha are yet again chosen for dynamic parallels to Baron/Martha and Kinger/Queenie too but that’s a post for another time.
ik i said i wasn’t going to talk ab it bc i didn’t care but she still doesn’t know she told him she hated him and apparently that means nothing to some people
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After watching ep 8, do you think that ragatha and jax might've still been friends? It feels like a deeper relationship between the two has been hinted at multiple times throughout the show but we haven't seen anything since ep 6. It would genuinely be a shame if the "Not anymore" and "I failed Jax" and also the repeated targeting on Jax's part didn't mean anything. We also haven't seen Ragatha in Jax's torture sequence in this episode and she also wasn't there when he was on the verge of abstraction nor was she in the picture. Apologies for the rambling but I just really wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter ^^
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More thorough yapping under the cut (it got a bit long)
To tell you the truth, I stopped thinking that Jax and Ragatha were ever close after episode 4? When she told him she hated him, it made me realize that their relationship wasn't as cut-and-dry as I thought prior. (Also, this was the first time we see him actually lay a hand on her. He's pushed her back before but that felt mild compared to what he did with the others.)
Then when episode 5 rolled around, I saw how affected Jax actually was (and continued to be) by her words, plus the infamous "not anymore" scene. This solidified the reading of their relationship that I have now. Don't get me wrong, I think Ragatha was referring to herself when she said what she said in the stargazing scene, but I thought it was worth noting that Jax's thoughts jumped to Ribbit and Kaufmo instead of her.
It's not just his guilt-ridden, self-hating ass. I definitely see them being on friendlier terms before Ribbit's abstraction (and I would like to see it), but never at the same level as Jax with the other two. Ragatha tries her best to be a friend to everyone, though it comes to a point where even she has to admit that her and Jax are not friends (anymore).
However, this is why their relationship is more appealing to me through a shipping perspective rather than a solidly platonic one.
Despite their differences and lack of 'closeness', they are inexplicably drawn to each other. They clearly care about the other person and what the other thinks of them. Plus, they've known the other for so long, yet they don't know the other that well and there's something to that. This desire to connect clashing against their tendency to misunderstand is soooo interesting, and the potential catharsis of them FINALLY achieving that connection hits especially hard if they didn't have it prior.
I don't think that them never having been close friends erases the importance that they have within the other's narrative. There's a reason why Gooseworx considers episodes 5 and 6 as being both of their episodes (though I believe that Jax gets more of the spotlight in both of them and am still a little bit bitter about it). They are established to be foils and, even though I have my criticisms on the show's writing, I believe that Goose intends for them to play a role in the resolution to their respective character arcs.
Now, after 6, there was a sharp drop in bunnydoll interactions and the community was understandably affected and discouraged. In episode 7, people came to realize that this was the result of Ragatha and Kinger's conversation about giving the other person some space (and it's worth noting that Ragatha applies this advice on Jax specifically, she doesn't distance herself from Pomni and the others). But when their joint teaser image for episode 8 dropped, it got a lot of people excited that this distance will be closed... and very disappointed when it wasn't. I didn't get my hopes up for it but even I was surprised by the fact that Ragatha did not speak to Jax at all.
I think that this is on purpose though. During the couch scene, Zooble, Gangle, and Pomni all extend an olive branch to Jax in their own way while Ragatha remains silent. When Jax tries to prompt Ragatha for a response in a later scene, she lets out a general statement and doesn't directly address him. In the cafe, her eyebrows are furrowed when he says that things were fine before Pomni and Zooble arrived and she looks concernedly at him once he tries to leave yet she chooses to say nothing again. Before her character development in the Loser Corner, she would have, but she's putting in the work to not be that person anymore, to not shoulder every little thing as a problem she *has* to solve with her words.
Before, other bunnydoll shippers considered me pessimistic in my expectations for them, so I find it kind of funny that I'm now considered optimistic for expecting a resolution between them in the next episode. Shipping or not, I don't think Goose wrote their interactions this way for nothing and we will get a conclusion to them at some point in the finale.
Edit: I am a bit sleep-deprived but I am otherwise alright! Thanks for the ask, anon, and I wish you a great day/night as well!
I made my versions of Radiostatic in TADC, it's like an Au(?
Obviously bunnydoll because it reminds me of them (only the other way around, Jax as Alastor and Ragatha as Vincent, only with outfits more similar to the present)
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I still don’t understand how those Ragatha and Jax sibling theories still exist when this scene basically confirms that they can recognize known voices from the real world. I doubt two siblings would forget each other’s voices, let alone be shipped by the VAs that are aware of how the story ends.
A couple of years ago, one user asked Gooseworx what song reminded her of Jax and she described “Don’t Fence Me In” as one.
The song focuses on a man who seeks independence and autonomy, a life in the countryside that he can reign. He sings alongside one or more female artists in every version, where she seeks the same freedom life refused to give her.
Stargazing, country life, horseback riding, avoiding being “fenced in” by emotions. Now, what does THAT remind me of?
Since we are aware Jax projects his own thoughts and feelings onto other circus members (ex: the Stargazing scene), the addition to Gooseworx confirming that Jax is suicidal gives this scene a WHOLE new meaning.
At first, I assumed Jax was making a dark joke at the expense of Gangle and to simply upset Ragatha, but maybe that was not the entire case. Even by his expression, it looks like he’s trying to laugh off something that’s clearly hurting him (judging by his facial expression and mannerisms).
Did what Ragatha say to him in Episode 4, not only hurt him, but INCREASED his ideation in a way? Goodness gracious.
Wait wait wait this actually goes along with something I noticed about this scene too
So like...Jax wasn't there when Ragatha called Gangle annoying, he was off getting tortured and didn't re-enter the scene until after it'd happened. And since Ragatha doesn't remember what she said and neither Gangle nor Zooble are likely to have told Jax about it, it's likely that he just heard about it through the grapevine and doesn't really know what took place, just that Ragatha said something hurtful to Gangle while stupid sauced. And that knowledge makes this instance stand out even more bc Jax isn't trying to gaslight Ragatha, he's making a guess at what happened with nothing to go off of but his own experience with her in that state. With that in mind, it's telling that the first place his mind went to was "you told her to kill herself," as that's likely the first association his mind made. Also, I never noticed until now just how drastically his expression shifts during this scene.
He is desperate for some reassurance that she didn't mean it and even more desperate to make her think that he doesn't care.
Since we are aware Jax projects his own thoughts and feelings onto other circus members (ex: the Stargazing scene), the addition to Gooseworx confirming that Jax is suicidal gives this scene a WHOLE new meaning.
At first, I assumed Jax was making a dark joke at the expense of Gangle and to simply upset Ragatha, but maybe that was not the entire case. Even by his expression, it looks like he’s trying to laugh off something that’s clearly hurting him (judging by his facial expression and mannerisms).
Did what Ragatha say to him in Episode 4, not only hurt him, but INCREASED his ideation in a way? Goodness gracious.
Wait wait wait this actually goes along with something I noticed about this scene too
So like...Jax wasn't there when Ragatha called Gangle annoying, he was off getting tortured and didn't re-enter the scene until after it'd happened. And since Ragatha doesn't remember what she said and neither Gangle nor Zooble are likely to have told Jax about it, it's likely that he just heard about it through the grapevine and doesn't really know what took place, just that Ragatha said something hurtful to Gangle while stupid sauced. And that knowledge makes this instance stand out even more bc Jax isn't trying to gaslight Ragatha, he's making a guess at what happened with nothing to go off of but his own experience with her in that state. With that in mind, it's telling that the first place his mind went to was "you told her to kill herself," as that's likely the first association his mind made. Also, I never noticed until now just how drastically his expression shifts during this scene.
He is desperate for some reassurance that she didn't mean it and even more desperate to make her think that he doesn't care.
yes exactly!! smth similar to that happens in softball adventure too
imo jax completely changed ragatha's adventure bc at the very beginning she said she hadn't written this in the submission box, and there weren't supposed to be evil clones, an evil orbsman (which jax hates, btw), or a giant centipede in that adventure
so basically, jax used the changes in ragatha's adventure to project his hurt onto her words about hate. he used evil ragatha for that
jax lied to ragatha, telling her she told gangle to kill himself bc jax was hurt by her words and projected his thoughts onto gangle
and in the softball adventure he projected his hurt onto the evil ragatha.
"nobody loves you and you'll die some day," said evil ragatha. this was like a message from jax to ragatha about how ragatha sounded to jax in ep 4 when she said she hates him
because that line sounded way too personal and out of nowhere. an npc couldn't possibly know something about ragatha and her loneliness. those were jax's thoughts bc he was the one who changed ragatha's adventure, meddling in it and projecting his feelings into it
jax hinted far too often at killing himself or someone in ep 5:
"i'll kill ragatha if we go through something like a fast-food adventure"
"remember when you told gangle to kill himself? that was fun"
"nobody loves you and you'll die some day"
Since we are aware Jax projects his own thoughts and feelings onto other circus members (ex: the Stargazing scene), the addition to Gooseworx confirming that Jax is suicidal gives this scene a WHOLE new meaning.
At first, I assumed Jax was making a dark joke at the expense of Gangle and to simply upset Ragatha, but maybe that was not the entire case. Even by his expression, it looks like he’s trying to laugh off something that’s clearly hurting him (judging by his facial expression and mannerisms).
Did what Ragatha say to him in Episode 4, not only hurt him, but INCREASED his ideation in a way? Goodness gracious.
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Some of you guys need to rewatch the entire show if you genuinely believe the Jax and Ragatha possible lore was something completely made up by Bunnydoll fans.
Some Bunnydoll fans are only fans thanks to those canon implications the show itself gave. However it's being handled now doesn't take that away
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