It's Time To D-d-d-d-dddd-DUEL

‘Oh yes, you do experience a valid intersectional form of oppression - but you’re just so fucking stupid, that you’ve chosen a terrible word to articulate your experiences. So we aren’t going to listen to anything you say! You’re just so silly and stupid, you can’t possibly be trusted to articulate your own thoughts and experiences, let alone be trusted to do your own research. In fact, don’t even think or talk at all! Leave all the thinking and talking to the smart people whose suffering actually matters.

Also, no your experiences aren’t unique at all, negating the previous statement of you experiencing a valid intersectional form of oppression’

The tone of voice is no different than when people try to manipulate trans men into detransitioning - overly sweet, infantilizing and concerned while also being incredibly backhanded and demeaning

✅️ copaganda

✅️ jokes that trans women are pedos

✅️ one (1) appearance ever by a trans woman who is now starved for work

✅️ no other transfemmes

✅️ a conspicuous overload of TME people

✅️ several TME trans people.

✅️ like, so many TME people it's kind of glaring that there are zero transfeminine people on the show once you notice it

✅️ nepo product of the fascist american empire running the show

"If you're trans and a lesbian aren't you really just a gay man?" but again, trans men are in lesbian spaces calling themselves lesbians and nobody is out here saying that this invalidates their transness at all, actually.

"Trans women are dangerous men invading women's spaces and taking resources away from real women," actually, women in women's spaces is normal. But if you're worried about men in women's spaces, you might want to look at the 145 trans men you invited in ahead of me.

"No lesbian wants to be with you, you look like a man," except that I look more feminine than Charles there did even pre-transition, and your tongue's halfway down his throat, so clearly that was never the issue.

"Men are invading women's restrooms!" Well you're not wrong, but the trans demographic doing this is not the one you think it is. Also, stupid thing to be afraid of.

"Biological advantage in sports!" Extremely stupid claim, doubly so considering trans women's testosterone levels are generally lower than a cis woman's. Sure, results may vary, but if we're actually claiming that having testosterone is the equivalent of taking steroids, then there's a whole group of people injecting the stuff weekly who have a standing invitation to compete with cis women in sports.

Yes, people say this all the fucking time, actually. You'd know if you spoke to trans men, like, at all.

Would love an example of a "woman's space" that isn't either 1. Excluding of trans men, or 2. Shouldn't be a "woman's space" in the first place. Where are these 145 trans men. I need to know.

Yes this is transphobia. That person is being transphobic to both you and poor Charles who they clearly do not see as a man.

I don't have anything to say to this other than its nonsense. Trans men don't want to use women's restrooms. It's dangerous for them. Again, talk to trans men.

Trans men cannot play in most high level professional sports if they're on testosterone HRT because it's a steroid and therefore a performance enhancing drug. Those that had, played on women's teams as a woman pre-transition, and later stopped playing sport altogether and retired after coming out. Except for that one teen guy who was on a woman's wrestling team in high school; he didn't retire, he got kicked off the team. He was not on HRT.

That interpersonal - which is not systemic - deference is given because people do not know the trans status of these men. When people know this, that deference and conditional benefits go out the window, and trans men are put in danger.

Also, if your argument is that "these people experience male privilege because some people assume they are cis men and treat them as such because of outward appearances" then you are also arguing that closeted/non-transitioning transfems and trans women have male privilege on this basis. Hopefully you understand why that isn't true and positing that we have male privilege is transmisogynistic. And I assume this is the very thing you're trying to argue against in your original post, which is why the rest of what you're saying doesn't hold up to scrutiny either. "People who look like men except for closeted trans women for some nebulous reason" doesn't hold any logical weight.

I'd also like to point out the parallel between a stealth trans man and a closeted queer person. Just because people assume the closeted queer person is not queer, does not mean they suddenly have heterosexual privilege. Just because people assume some trans men are cis, does not mean that they actually have meaningful access to male privilege. Both people in this situation can hide their identities to escape bigotry and oppression, and may even be able to experience some interpersonal benefits from people assuming they are part of the dominant class, but being able to do so is still not a privilege in any structural or material sense. Queer activists have spoken about how being closeted is not a privilege for decades.

No?