Davey

so i just watched the las nevadas ending and the tommyinnit dream ending and i… actually quite liked them both. i must say for the tommyinnit dream ending i had heard bad and did not have high expectations for it.

i liked that ending, but obviously i would’ve been fine with tommy killing dream for the last time and ending it with them, of course, still having problems, but extremely less so without dream. however, the ending we got really embodies the being of the dreamsmp, so i guess there’s not much more i can ask for.

we know that with the dsmp, every character has a story, and every character has a perspective, and who’s right or wrong depends on what perspective you’re viewing. we didn’t get to see dream’s perspective except for at the very beginning when he started the server, which i’ll just be honest, i’ve never watched any earlier in the dsmp than when tommy joined. dream went against everyone in the dsmp at some point, and no one got to see his pov.

now, just so we’re on the same page here, i still despise him. i don’t care what he’s been through, he’s still probably my most hated villain. understanding him was one of those things i’d always wondered about, so i’m glad we finally got to find out. and looking back on it, it makes sense. he’s always wanted, and i quote, “a big happy family.” and of course, tommy did start all the conflict, and it escalated from there, but what dream did was in his heart. he had that in him.

if the breaking point for both of them was, let’s just say, when tommy and wilbur started the camar van, tommy was just having fun, while dream saw it was causing conflict and wanted to remove it immediately. that’s how dream is with everything. he tried to remove the discs, he tried to remove l'manberg, and he tried to remove tommy, all while still trying to keep it in tact, because he’s trying to remove all the problems while still keeping people who like the problems happy. just like disney trying to appeal to homophobes and gay people at the same time, it’s not gonna work. dream couldn’t just live with it, not having his perfect life. he couldn’t withstand the smallest inconvenience. and he was willing to destroy anyone or anything to get his perfect life, where everyone followed his rules and everyone was happy with it. NO cdream apologist is welcome here.

however, i agree that he and tommy very well could’ve been friends. not then and there, though, oh no. before “the incident” as they have so lovingly dubbed, tommy made it clear that there was not a second when they were on the same side. i think that holds true in their final moments too. they understood each other, but they weren’t on the same side. i think what would’ve happened if there was no scratch is that tommy and dream would truce. not on the same side, not buddies nor pals. they just would not be messing with each other anymore. i wouldn’t have liked that, though. i wanted dream to die because if he was still alive, he would just keep doing what he was doing.

dream did die, so i’m happy with that. i don’t mind that tommy died too. what better way to go than with your sworn enemy after you just got to understand each other? and when they arrive in post-scratch dsmp, which we still don’t know how happened or why tubbo’s there and not punz, they do have a clean slate. dream doesn’t feel the need to have everything under control, not yet at least. tommy is still as mischievous as ever. (which goes to show that while tommy instigated everything, he wasn’t the problem.)

but what i like most about post-scratch dsmp is how they made it feel like, well, like you just joined a new smp with a bunch of strangers. of course, that’s not how it happened originally, and you usually don’t START an smp with strangers, but this is a special circumstance. tommy doesn’t even know who tubbo is despite knowing tubbo before the dsmp. i doubt anyone knows who anyone is despite many of them being in contact before the dsmp. who even knows if they remember ANYTHING that happened before the dsmp. since what happened to them before the dsmp IS important to their lore, i’d imagine they don’t remember.

the ending brings back those days of meeting new people on minecraft. i like to think the short conversation they carried out was done in the minecraft chat. they just had to stylize it by speaking since that leaves a bigger impact on the audience and is more natural by dsmp standards. the conversation was casual, awkward, short, sweet, and very minecraft-y. the “wanna build a base” as the first course of action selling that this is, in fact, a minecraft survival multiplayer server and not some big elaborate roleplay. and even though it fits right into the conversation, the “wanna be friends?” really knocks you back, as it’s supposed to i’m sure. it’s not a weird thing to ask, people who are just now meeting. yet for us, the people who have watched these two go at each other for two years, it does really seem impossible. my brain thinks, “this is very, very wrong. they would never be friends. and tubbo is right there, and they are not speaking.”

i know this might sound stupid to those who didn’t sit through it in real time. like, “duh of course it’s unnatural they were enemies just a second ago.” but i mean i really can’t see tommy and dream being friends. yes, they very well could’ve been, but i can’t see them as such. i can’t see dream being good at all. it is so bent in my mind that dream is a terrible person. i don’t want to see him being friendly. i don’t want to see tommy near dream. point being: if dream and tommy do become friends in dsmp 2, i don’t think my brain will allow me to accept it. if i even watch it to begin with, cause i got a lot of stuff going on. i always manage to get drug back into minecraft though, so who knows, maybe i won’t be able to keep my hands off of it.

thanks for reading all of this if you did. honestly i’m hoping they don’t make dream all good guy goodie two shoes because he definitely is not a misunderstood villain; he is a bad person. and resetting everything to make it where dream is an angel now makes it seem like all that happened pre-scratch wasn’t his fault (it definitely was). it sort of weakens what tommy went through and makes it seem like it was all circumstance fault even though what happened was definitely decided by a person who had a choice to do the right thing or to not, and that person chose to do the wrong thing and hurt people. instead, they can show how with tommy as a friend, he can overcome those destructive controlling tendencies.

how i look with he/him pronouns in my bio

first pq sprite edit?? redraw??? i traced over it.

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I'll give as many sources to what you said here as I can, just so people listen more. Wasn't able to track everything down, so some things are more up in the air, but overall, you're on the money.

[Blog of Dave Strider- February 17, 2010.]

I heavily agree and identify with your frustration. Just because it's "not in the comic" doesn't mean Hussie didn't write it and that it's not worth evaluating. This isn't a case where you can disregard it for noncanonicity reasons, like Post Canon. This was written concurrently with canon, and therefore it reflects the political mindset of Hussie during the time of writing Homestuck. That much is valuable information. What I will point out is that the next paragraph here contains yet another phrase that is rather telling of Hussie's... Racial vocabulary.

Definitely not the most comfortable thing in the world, to put it nicely. Haven't personally seen it get mentioned, and I feel like it's apt to bring up here, since this is the closest I've seen Hussie get to the big Hard R. Typically, they default to Soft A, which doesn't make it less racist, but does have a different... Vibe, so to speak. It's more hateful sounding.

Moving on.

[Andrew Hussie's Formspring- Feb 24, 2010 - Mar 7, 2010. Exact date unknown.]

The fact that Dave is a near exact emulation of Hussie themself in speech mannerisms, down to the lifting of entire chatlogs, is telling. As we've seen from Hussie's past work, he was clearly... excessively comfortable with throwing around the N-word, as a white man. Why would Dave be any different? It's hard to argue that Dave's racism is "not indicative of Dave's flaws, but indicative of Hussie's", when Dave as a character is both a product of Hussie's mind and a direct extension of her. You can't truly divorce the two. Dave is racist because Hussie is racist. Dave is an extension of Hussie.

[Homestuck, Act 2, page 294- June 23, 2009.]

I believe this is what you were talking about in reference to that particular version of the N-word being used, as well as the references to slavery. This is in Act 2. I couldn't find much in Dave's other raps, outside of his fixation on the idea of Black presidents as a novel concept... Other than this.

[Homestuck, Act 5 Act 2, page 2825- November 1, 2010.]

Apparently using the term "Urban" to refer to Black people, culture, art, and music is a recurring Hussie-ism, even in Homestuck. Rose also uses this a couple times, notably more than Dave does. It sees more usage in Problem Sleuth as well- unsurprising, considering it is an older work than Homestuck is.

[Homestuck, Act 4, page 1590- March 17, 2010.]

[Homestuck, [o], page 3879- July 2, 2011.]

[Problem Sleuth, page 62- March 15, 2008.]

TL;DR: I don't think there's any real excuse to leave Hussie's racism out of genuine discussion of the contents of his works. It's obvious. The only valid defense for leaving it out of analytical conversations is ignorance, because... Well, some people just aren't that observant. Homestuck does not exist in a vacuum. Hussie did, in fact, write this, and Hussie is, in fact, bigoted. Bigotry shows throughout their works not because they're spinning a grand narrative of overcoming your moral failings, but because they kind of just suck. Dave isn't an exception, and shouldn't be divorced from the context of having been written by Andrew Hussie. There's no debate to be had over the existence of Hussie's bigotry, because contesting such a clear cut fact is pure stupidity. It's like arguing that evolution isn't real because you, personally, do not understand it, or don't find it comforting. Hussie's bigotry is one of the only things we can be 100% sure is a real part of his personhood, rather than another figment of his ironic online persona. The level of "Well, Actually"-ism people will engage in over this is mind-numbing, quite frankly.

ie: im not the racist fuck h*ssie is, im simply a product of him

though yes, i am dave strider, i dont associate myself as the racist whiteboy h*ssie made me, i dont associate with h*ssie at all, hes a sore subject for me

and just because im saying this, doesnt mean im saying he didnt code his characters poorly, im saying i hate it too, the blatant racism that he put in the comic

h*ssie is the whole reason everyone hates the homestuck fandom, because hes a bigot and it fucking sucks

and im tired of fans not seeing it, or worse, turning a blind eye

posts like this, informing the fans, are great imo, as it shows them that h*ssie is truly a huge ass

and yet, there are still people out there who support him, and its fucking insane to me

tl;dr: h*ssie is a bigoted asshole and as dave strider irl, i think the whole fandom should hate him as well for his poor bigoted lifestyle

also, dont attack homestucks and homestuck irls for being hometucks, thats not the problem, the problem is people being misinformed or uninformed

I'll give as many sources to what you said here as I can, just so people listen more. Wasn't able to track everything down, so some things are more up in the air, but overall, you're on the money.

[Blog of Dave Strider- February 17, 2010.]

I heavily agree and identify with your frustration. Just because it's "not in the comic" doesn't mean Hussie didn't write it and that it's not worth evaluating. This isn't a case where you can disregard it for noncanonicity reasons, like Post Canon. This was written concurrently with canon, and therefore it reflects the political mindset of Hussie during the time of writing Homestuck. That much is valuable information. What I will point out is that the next paragraph here contains yet another phrase that is rather telling of Hussie's... Racial vocabulary.

Definitely not the most comfortable thing in the world, to put it nicely. Haven't personally seen it get mentioned, and I feel like it's apt to bring up here, since this is the closest I've seen Hussie get to the big Hard R. Typically, they default to Soft A, which doesn't make it less racist, but does have a different... Vibe, so to speak. It's more hateful sounding.

Moving on.

[Andrew Hussie's Formspring- Feb 24, 2010 - Mar 7, 2010. Exact date unknown.]

The fact that Dave is a near exact emulation of Hussie themself in speech mannerisms, down to the lifting of entire chatlogs, is telling. As we've seen from Hussie's past work, he was clearly... excessively comfortable with throwing around the N-word, as a white man. Why would Dave be any different? It's hard to argue that Dave's racism is "not indicative of Dave's flaws, but indicative of Hussie's", when Dave as a character is both a product of Hussie's mind and a direct extension of her. You can't truly divorce the two. Dave is racist because Hussie is racist. Dave is an extension of Hussie.

[Homestuck, Act 2, page 294- June 23, 2009.]

I believe this is what you were talking about in reference to that particular version of the N-word being used, as well as the references to slavery. This is in Act 2. I couldn't find much in Dave's other raps, outside of his fixation on the idea of Black presidents as a novel concept... Other than this.

[Homestuck, Act 5 Act 2, page 2825- November 1, 2010.]

Apparently using the term "Urban" to refer to Black people, culture, art, and music is a recurring Hussie-ism, even in Homestuck. Rose also uses this a couple times, notably more than Dave does. It sees more usage in Problem Sleuth as well- unsurprising, considering it is an older work than Homestuck is.

[Homestuck, Act 4, page 1590- March 17, 2010.]

[Homestuck, [o], page 3879- July 2, 2011.]

[Problem Sleuth, page 62- March 15, 2008.]

TL;DR: I don't think there's any real excuse to leave Hussie's racism out of genuine discussion of the contents of his works. It's obvious. The only valid defense for leaving it out of analytical conversations is ignorance, because... Well, some people just aren't that observant. Homestuck does not exist in a vacuum. Hussie did, in fact, write this, and Hussie is, in fact, bigoted. Bigotry shows throughout their works not because they're spinning a grand narrative of overcoming your moral failings, but because they kind of just suck. Dave isn't an exception, and shouldn't be divorced from the context of having been written by Andrew Hussie. There's no debate to be had over the existence of Hussie's bigotry, because contesting such a clear cut fact is pure stupidity. It's like arguing that evolution isn't real because you, personally, do not understand it, or don't find it comforting. Hussie's bigotry is one of the only things we can be 100% sure is a real part of his personhood, rather than another figment of his ironic online persona. The level of "Well, Actually"-ism people will engage in over this is mind-numbing, quite frankly.

ie: im not the racist fuck h*ssie is, im simply a product of him

though yes, i am dave strider, i dont associate myself as the racist whiteboy h*ssie made me, i dont associate with h*ssie at all, hes a sore subject for me

and just because im saying this, doesnt mean im saying he didnt code his characters poorly, im saying i hate it too, the blatant racism that he put in the comic

h*ssie is the whole reason everyone hates the homestuck fandom, because hes a bigot and it fucking sucks

and im tired of fans not seeing it, or worse, turning a blind eye

posts like this, informing the fans, are great imo, as it shows them that h*ssie is truly a huge ass

and yet, there are still people out there who support him, and its fucking insane to me

tl;dr: h*ssie is a bigoted asshole and as dave strider irl, i think the whole fandom should hate him as well for his poor bigoted lifestyle

also, dont attack homestucks and homestuck irls for being hometucks, thats not the problem, the problem is people being misinformed or uninformed

Im sorry im so bad at uploading things to tumblr.... Ive been procrastinating this for a whole week for no good reason!

I REDESIGNED ALL OF THE HOMESTUCK GODTIERS!

Below is a google drive with literally everything Ive created for this project

The designs and color palettes are based on my own interpretations of the aspects and their classes. The rage aspect changed the most since I believe their powers are based upon all emotions and not JUST rage. So their color palette is meant to represent overwhelming emotions with two opposing colors that are very bright.

way past cool

Also more dirkey poo by popular demand because you gays like how I draw him.......