I think that, objectively speaking, wlw representation is much better than mlm (as a bisexual woman)
I've seen posts online of both sides complaining each side has the worst and other has it better, but really, gay and bi men have legit reasons to be resentful
When that post of yours has you probably agreeing with that:
>>> I've noticed that too with MLM media; it's not so much that entertainment companies make more shows about gay men because they hate lesbians. Instead, gay men are only allowed to be main characters in shows that are specifically marketed as LGBTQ+. That way, homophobes can see what's being advertised and easily avoid it.Â
>>> Meanwhile, WLW representation is more prevalent in shows for general audiences because they're typically considered the "safer" and less risky option when it comes to LGBTQ+ representation. The same applies to children's media; it's why there's so much more WLW representation in animation than any MLM
If you say yourself that there's more wlw rep mainstream games, when you agree there's not a lot of meaningful mlm rep in children's cartoons and that show for general audiences tend to have wlw rep over mlm. While mlm rep tends to be relegated to media that's marketed as "lgbt" from the start or romance targeted towards women
Don't you agree that objectively speaking wlw representation is better than mlm rep?
I've even seen a man response to a comment from a video "Why do women love gay media?"
@VideosOfRandomContext As a gay person I'm so bored of seeing gay representation from men perspectives tho Where the lesbians attttt??? Genuinely I don't see a ton of lesbian shows/movies anymore it's always gay men/
@Blue_Peppermint-m The thing is that as a gay guy myself, lesbians and bi women have been getting way and I mean WAY WAY WAY TOO MUCH representation in non romance media, video games, animated tv shows etc etc, especially western high profile tv shows and movies to the point it's starting to get annoying. Like what do us gay men get? Representation in low quality romcoms/romance shows? Yeah sure alright i guess....... way too much gay male representation" i suppose.....
And in a comment in reddit
Not OP, but you can easily find other examples like The last of Us or Pluribus.
Gay men can only be protagonists of "gay" franchises, where the intent is to deliver a gay product and the sponsors, audience, etc know they are getting into something gay. There is no such limitation with female protagonist, you can have your AAA videogame or next big hit TV show have a lesbian protagonist.
Heated Rivalry is a gay love story for people who want to see gay love and advertises as a gay TV show.
Pluribus is... a bunch of things that happen to feature a lesbian as the main character.
And I think both are correct in their observations, I wish there was more action adventure media where the male main character could have a compelling romantic storyline with another guy
Meanwhile I've seem a lesbian woman complaining that a fan ship is more popular than the canon saphic ship(I'm talking about JayVik vs CaitVi), and I was like "Really, dude?"
I think they're centering themselves in something that shouldn't be about them, because Arcane has a straight sex scene and a lesbian sex scene, straight couples and a main front and center lesbian couple, the people that should be complaining about this is gay men
Yet some women talk as If most popular ships in AO3 being MLM is somehow opression
Do I think that wlw rep is better than mlm rep? I canât answer that objectively. Thereâs no one definition of âbetter.â People want different things from representation.
Maybe wlw rep is easier to market, but ironically itâs due to misogyny. Show execs are less uncomfortable with wlw because theyâre less of a threat to the heteropatriarchy; itâs easier to dismiss two womensâ romance when women are socially conditioned to be platonically affectionate. Mlm are villainized and mocked due to them not upholding the heteropatriarchy.
As for complaints about mlm ships overshadowing wlw ones: thatâs a very real phenomenon, because media still has a woman deficiency problem. There are fewer female characters, fewer possible ships with women, and fewer opportunities for wlw ships. Plus, it can get tiring for people to bring up yaoi in a wlw-centric space.
See here: https://thealexchen.tumblr.com/post/806295060101595136/totallysilvergirl-headspace-hotel
It just kills me when writers create franchises where like 95% of the speaking roles are male, then get morally offended that all of the pop
Re: part 2- itâs not wrong to want a wlw version of Heartstopper (a sweet fluffy YA romance) and Heated Rivalry (a show that celebrates queer joy and sexuality), mostly because we havenât seen a wlw show become such a cultural phenomenon yet. Maybe you could view it as wlw getting to exist in genre shows that arenât only romance, but itâs frustrating to see a romance-centric wlw show not achieve those same heights yet because straight women arenât gonna show up for a wlw romance the same way they will for a mlm romance. Then you look at something like Pricefield, and the bias is once again due to⌠misogyny in the games industry. Statistically, Yuri is less popular than yaoi. I have watched Fear Street! It was excellent and I recommend it, but these wlw shows get cancelled because of executive decisions and possibly lower viewership. You canât blame wlw audiences for not watching something they didnât know existed due to poor marketing or other factors. Wlw shows have to compete with mlm shows that already get a boost from mostly female romance genre fans. So itâs all up to wlw to uphold their own media representation? Come on, thatâs not fair. Even if every sapphic woman in the world watched one specific wlw show, the sheer numbers could not compete with mainstream series. The biases and numbers are real.
Re: part 3- I agree that Byler was treated horribly and it is queerbait. I think the behind the scenes stuff was also pretty sus. But itâs not like Vickie and Robin got much either- they had an ambiguous offscreen breakup with no closure. Also, theyâre side characters. Itâs easier for audiences to ignore a queer subplot when theyâre not onscreen as much as Mike or Will. Wlw being more âpalatableâ isnât actually a net positive; it all traces back to misogyny and women being objectified and sexualized.
Thatâs all Iâm gonna say because these three asks back to back were a little overwhelming.