A place to vent about Fraser/RayK

For my non-Canadian followers, please share this petition and hopefully this will further the reach to other Canadian users on this platform. It is abominable that any company in this country help or in any way facilitate the unconstitutional and dehumanising acts that ICE has done. In my city of Vancouver, we have been protesting and boycotting Hootsuite, a social media platform that has a $2M USD contract with DHS providing them with social media services from 2024 to 2029. Hootsuite claims they don't use tracking or surveillance with their tools, but the mere fact that they have chosen to work with the violent group in whatever social media capacity, despite previously *turning down* a contract with them back in 2020, is egregious.

Jim Pattison Group is a enormous conglomerate also based in Vancouver, owned and run by one man, Jim Pattison. Pattison previously considered selling an industrial building in Virginia to ICE for them to use as another "holding and processing facility," or more accurately, a goddamn concentration camp, but because of backlash he reversed that decision. Thank fucking god for that, but that does not mean he won't reconsider it again in the future. In Ontario, ICE ordered 20 armoured vehicles from a Brampton firm called Roshel to the tune of $7.3M USD. Canada should not be arming a violent group that has shown itself to be nothing more than a racist group of masked kidnappers and power-tripping thugs that has violated the rights of US citizens and violated numerous court orders.

when Arctic hunting practices enter the discussion, it's really easy to import our southern/urban moral framework and treat "willingness to kill animals" as a proxy for kindness or cruelty, but in the episode you're referencing, fraser's eagerness to hunt has little to do with kindness (re: your tags) and isn’t about wanting to kill for its own sake, and I don’t think the show frames it that way either.

I won't speak to or dispute how Quinn corrects him when he (textually) oversteps; I don't know how much consulting they did with Inuit when writing the episode. it scans with what I understand, I'll say that much, and it seems to point more towards establishing discipline, understanding cultural context, taking responsibility for the kill.

I don't think this episode frames it as Fraser wanting to learn for those reasons, though. In the flashbacks, Fraser runs away from home to kill a caribou because his friend has just killed his first caribou. Fraser wants to prove himself. His grandparents have already warned him against it, which is why Fraser goes off on his own. Quinn gently tries to talk him down (and tells him to go back to his grandparents, who, Fraser seems surprised to hear, are worried about him going missing), but Fraser is determined, so Quinn supervises, but ultimately lets Fraser make his own decision.

Quinn tells him at one point that it's wrong to kill without need, and Fraser comes back with a line about how Quinn guides hunters from the city who have flown out to hunt for sport all the time. Why should this be any different?

What does Ray Kowalski wear in Due South? One might think the above items pretty much cover it… WRONG! 

This is a loooong list. It’s unillustrated, and the descriptions might suck, but if you’re confused by something (or spot errors!), please let me know! I edited out errors until the last minute, and I know there must still be some… 

I have meant to watch Sense8 for years but now it's next on my list!

It IS a weird thing for Fraser to do! Public-Service-Persona Fraser would never! But with Ray he doesn't have to be that guy all the time, Ray likes him anyway.

I think these two are really good for each other, you know? Fraser is great at keeping Ray calm and grounded, and doesn't let him talk himself down the way he does. Ray is so bad at letting go that it comes back around to being great at holding on, which is excellent news for someone like Fraser, who expects people to leave him behind at the drop of a hat. Look at how snippy he gets with Ray sometimes, especially before the Bounty. Dief gets full snip a lot, because Fraser trusts Dief to stay. Ray Vecchio gets his own version of it - Fraser does trust him, but snippy doesn't work well when the other guy is too cool to take the bait.

Fraser's escalating snippiness towards Ray Kowalski is less a sign of Fraser's "true inner personality" and more a sign of his insecurity in personal relationships. He escalates because he cares so much, and he likes Ray so much, but Fraser knows that people get to a point where he's just... too much for them, and they leave him. So somewhere in his subconcious something says: "Why don't we get that over with so we can stop worrying about how much it will hurt?" and there he is, pushing and pushing to find where too much starts for Ray. And then we get to Mountie on the Bounty, where Fraser finds out that Ray's problem isn't with too much at all, it's with too little - too little communication, too little trust, too little relying on Ray to have his back. Fraser both realizing this and acting on the information is crucial to saving their partnership, and from then on, the snippiness levels out as well.

Composer: Jay Semko

I mean: Ray came to him wounded and screamed his name on his knees.

And Fraser was like: for some reason I am thinking "handcuffs".

He did take care of his wounded face first though. Acting like that tiny cut was something that needed very elaborate care and Ray acting like he was very hurt.

✨relationship dynamics✨

And Thatcher and Fraser are talking about their lack of a future - and Ray is in the background between them, blurred.