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I'm not following their X/Twitter, I swear. I just noticed one post about the new trailer... and decided to check.
So... there will be a story with little Kate that reminds Vivi of their first meeting.
This is ridiculous. She's no more than 5. Just as I thought originally.
But... Vivi was 18-19 at the time. So that gives us an age gap of 13-14 years. If Victor created Crown right after that, and he created it 14 years ago... he would be 32-33. But that would make Kate 19!!!!! She can't be that young. She's older than Ellis.
So, going the other way around: Kate is now 25-26. So she first met Vivi 20-21 years ago. That gives us Victor's age β 39-40.
BUT!!!
What did he do for 6-7 years??? Was he looking for cursed boys that long? I really don't understand...
Iβm so excited for this, I hope we get more info about when they first met! Iβm not a fan of big age gaps, so I keep trying to do the math to make it as small as possible whenever we get new info. Victor spoilers and rambling below.
In Victorβs route it says he is 18 when they first met. I always imagined Kate being 13 or 14 at the time. I work with middle schoolers, and youβd be surprised what things the 8th graders (13/14) cry about so I donβt think it would be far off for her to cry like that about a cat but still be able to speak more maturely. This would give them a 4-5 year gap, which would make sense considering Victor viewed her as a child when they met, but an adult when they met a second time during the bombing. Is there a concrete timeline for those two events?
In the βpresentβ time of the story, she is mentioned to be older than Ellis who I think is said to be 25 in his route? So she shouldnβt be any younger than that. If the bombing happened after Crown was founded, then it canβt have happened more than 14 years ago and she would have to have been at least 11 or 12 at that point. We donβt know the gap between those, but they mention that itβs a few years, so 14 would be too much. It was mentioned in Victorβs route when she explains her memory of the bombing that she volunteered at the church shortly after she started working at the post office. For some reason I think that was 6 years ago? I feel like some event or chapter mentioned a more specific timeline for her working at the post office, but I could be wrong. I should really start to write these things down as they come up.
In the Mad Love epilogue Victor mentioned that he cared about her when they first met but fell in love when she was βa grown adultβ, and thatβs when he started quietly watching over her (which regardless of the age gap at least spares him from being a creeper imo). When they first met, she inspired him to rely on others which led him to think of making Crown. He didnβt think was possible until he met Will (according to the JP Past Records event), who was 14 at the time, and they created Crown together not too long after Victor took over the throne. If we give it a year from Victor becoming Victoria and being pep-talked by Kate at 18 to creating Crown, then he would have met Kate about 15 years ago. That puts Victor at 33 years old. If Kate was 12 when they first met (not a teen, but not too young), then she would be 27 and they would have a 6 year gap.
Again, I like to think that she was 13 or 14 since that is early adolescence and not too old to be considered a child by him but not too young that it makes Victor a creep, even by Victorian Era standards. I feel like the event image here shows her at like 7 or 8, I think 5 would be too young, and hopefully the idea of being protective of younger Kate is what reminds him of their meeting and not that she was actually that old when they met!
I believe it's another "she turned into a child" event. But since the story is from his POV, it's most likely going to be very interesting...
About your "ramblings"... Victor's and Ellis' routes spoilers below.
Ellis is 24. He ran away 12 years ago, and he was 12 at the time.
Victor said he had just become Queen Victoria, which in my opinion might be a few months or even a year later. Like... he was struggling with himself for a while and then couldn't keep it up and came to the church. At least that's how I see it.
One determination to destroy yourself for the sake of the country is not enough. And he might have been on the surface for a while before starting to doubt his ability to stay on that idea alone. So my thought of 18-19 is based on that... not just 18, but a bit more.
The second meeting happened between 7 and 3 years ago... between Harry and Liam joining Crown (Victor's route). And if she is 25-26 now, she was most likely already 20 at the time. So of course Vivi saw her as an adult.
Victor is considered the oldest in Crown, and the fact that Harry calls him old should put him in the state of a more mature person. But it's not that simple for Japanese games. Like in Revolution, they call Sirius old even though he's only 30. So... it's mostly just a way of talking about an older person.
By my calculations, Roger is 30. And if Vivi is only 33... it's not that much of a difference. And it makes me even more upset by Harry's insults.
But there is a point in that... In the Vivi/Willy chronicles, Victor is in his young adult form, which means it happened not far from the moment he met Kate. If it happened a few years later, he would look the way we know him now.
I still want Victor to be older, but... Cybird never dared to do that. And as you said, a big age gap would make him look like a creep.
sorry for butting in but you might be interested in my calculations for victor's age! he should be around 37 ish, which certainly makes him quite old, at least enough to have harry call him an old man. If he truly was around that age, mc would have been 5/6 just like you said!
Victor is beautiful without trying, that is a well-known fact. However, what youβre staring at now is nothing short of divine temptation. Victor posed as the queen for a gala and is now changing, his face slightly flushed due to the amount of fabric he was just buried under. Your thoughts are far from where they should be.
Then again, Victor is never any better than you. In fact, heβs arguably worse, especially right now. How can he lead you to hover over him while he sits pretty on the bed like heβs waiting for you to give in and take what you want. You donβt. Not yet. He holds your gaze as he guides your hand higher and higher up his skirt.
His skirt hiked up just short of hips, giving you a view of his garter belt. Even though no one would ever see anything, he fully committed to dressing up. Victor meets your gaze again before your mouth is on his. The noise of delight he lets out is sure to become one of your vices.
Your hand travels higher, tugging his panties to his ankles while moving further onto the bed. Victor lets out shaky breaths as you leave a trail of stinging kisses down his neck and to the top of his corset. Committed to dressing up for his ruin. You delight in undoing the ties as he squirms. Impatient.
That doesnβt stop you from taking your sweet time. Undoing each lace with the utmost care all while Victor seems to be at his wits end. You arenβt sure if itβs because of how long you took with his corset or because youβve been jerking him off under his skirt since you pulled his panties off.
Either way, heβs close. You could be mean and deny him but there will be time for that another day. You keep going, his sounds of pleasure nothing short of sinful. Even if it happens to be the particular sin of having him ruin his pretty little dress. Especially if that sin is not slowing down after heβs came already and is asking for a break so nicely.
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my biggest grievance about this route was with one detail. the description of victor as being tall, wide, large hands, and having deep voice.
this is a man that crossdresses on the reg and no one, in the whole nation that observes him, ever noticed. not every male love interest has to be manly macho, like plz. with his role, he shouldve been androgynous.
or perhaps this is an alternate reality where non passing crossdressers are indistiguishable from women. which would be beautiful but devs definitely didnt put this much thought into it.
maybe i should start believing that all the women we never see are built exactly like victor, and the robin is simply a weird exception
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So... now that I've finished reading the route on the EN server, I'd like to talk about some moments I don't quite understand.
Let's be clear. I love Vivi. And I love most of his route (minus most of the BLE... that was really odd). But these unfinished scenes are bugging me. I can't stop thinking... what happened next? Why did they even show them to us if they didn't intend to finish them or use them later? It doesn't make any sense.
Spoilers for Victor's route.
Chapter 9 β Victor flirting with some woman.
Why this woman? Why is he at this party? Why is he flirting with her? Why didn't they explain that part at all? Later, we see him at a ball surrounded by a flock of women. So yes, there are women who try to get him "at least for one night" (scandalous.) But here, there was just one. And that makes her special. Is she his lover? Or is he working on something? Or is he flirting with her just to hurt Kate's feelings so she'd give up on him? It's not explained properly. This scene just hangs in the air and gives more questions than answers.
Chapter 10 β William asks for a dance.
She agreed, but the next moment Victor appeared and... all that fuss with the flock of women... and the chapter ended.
Did they dance? Willy? Say something! I need to know. I'm extremely curious. I'll die if I don't find out! Don't let this cat die!!!
It's not a scene, but a concept that hasn't been explained properlyβ¦
Why did Victor decideΒ to disguise himself as a woman?
The idea of "I don't deserve to exist after all I've done" is pretty understandable. He just feels that way... it's his conscience talking. But no matter how people see him, it's stillΒ himΒ and his actions. He will stay in history just by another name. He didn't erase himself; he transformed into a new person. The fact that history remembers him by a different name changes nothing. It's stillΒ him.
Name, gender,Β appearance... they are such small pieces of personality that paying attention to them seems kind of odd. This is like all of us on the internet. We hide behind nicknames, profile pictures and such, but it's still us. Nothing changes. And people still judge us by ourΒ actions.
In his route they say that he, as the youngest in the royal family, was never shown in public. So... nobody outside the royal family even knew about his existence. Conveniently, he killed the entire royal family and his only servant. Nobody remained... sort of. Everyone all the time forget about maids... it's a castle, and there are a lot of survant in it. He couldn't be invisible to them. But... he told someone that he will take the throne as Victoria. What happened to that person? Did he kill them too? That turns "I don't deserve to live" into "I'll kill everyone to keep that secret." That's hypocritical. I don't like THAT Victor.
It would be much better if he claimed "I will spend my life to serve people, totally ignoring my own desires" β which is true. This is what we saw in his route. And in that concept, his "no written documents can exist" feels extremely out of place. Let them be, just about an aide. Nobody will connect him to the queen.
Kate's suddenΒ revelationΒ wasn't explained as well. If she understood, saw the logic in Victor'sΒ decision, why didn't she tell us about it?
There was a time I thoughtΒ thatΒ he just was scared that his appearance wouldΒ enchantΒ his subjects. So he chose the image where he could hide his face and thus save his people. That would be more inΒ soft-hearted Victor'sΒ style. But... even ifΒ I'mΒ right... even if that was partially the reason, they never tell us about it. Leaving this huge question hanging in the air.
After reading both endings in the Japanese game a year ago and doing the same in the English game now... I still have no idea... Maybe I'm just too stupid to see the logic in this brilliant decision.
i made victor, crown and my own oc in the sims, and tell me why victor called my oc's dad to tell him thisπ bro what is your problem is this a stalking confession mf UR the grim reaper
Im drawing Kate in her wedding dress π₯Ί she's so beautiful, i love her π anyway if anyone have any request scene u want me to draw in ikevil feel free to ask πΊ
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Disclaimer: I translate ikevil just for fun and sillies! As always, Iβll be linking other translations of this story in the Masterlist, so please check their versions, if you can! Thank you \(^^)/ <3
Harrison: βHead, face, neck, chest, stomach, arms, legsβ¦ you got a reaction from everything caused, so experiment complete. Isn't that enough?β
Alfons: βOh? You don't want to try experiencing such unprecedented pleasure for yourself?β
Kate: βAre you really okay with that?β
Harrison: βDonβt just go along with him.β
Kate: βBut... doesnβt it just make you curious? If everyone really turns completely weak and helpless from a touch.β
Liam: βThat's a big grin you're wearing Kate.β
William: βYouβre usually the one being toyed with by a bunch of eccentric villains, so I suppose youβre enjoying being on the other side for once.β
Kate: βToyed withβ¦? Are you sure you should be saying that?β
William: βHm?β
Kate: βI can make you melt. See? Just by touching your ear like thisβ¦β
William: βMmβ¦β
William: βAhβ¦ this isβ¦ quite a strange sensationβ¦
William: Regardless of my will... it forces me to focus on youβ¦ until you're all that I can seeβ¦β
Victor: βTo think it can even overpower Williamβs willβ¦ incredible.β
Darius: βI never imagined William being controlled by someone else.β
Kate: βSo? Do you surrender?β
William: ββ¦If I asked for more, how far would you go?β
Kate: βHuh!? Ohβ¦ umβ¦β
Harrison: βWill, donβt make things difficult for her..β
Harrison: ββ¦Ah.β
Kate: βOh!β
Nica: βWow, he just went and grabbed her hand himself.β
Kate: βDoes it feel the same even if I donβt touch you first?β
Harrison: βDunnoβ¦ guess you'd have to do it for me to tell.
Harrison: ββ¦Mm. Yeah, its the same regardless of who initiates itβ¦β
Harrison: βAs long as there's contact, it feels like Iβm completely drawn to youβ¦β
Elbert: βWillβ¦ did you set Harrison up?β
William: βHaha, hardly. I don't make a habit of hunting foxes.β
William: βBut, with that, it seems weβve successfully tested everyone.β
Victor: βHey, hey! Arenβt you forgetting someone?β
William: βAh, right. There's still one left.β
Victor: βYou knew that this whole time, didnβt you? Alright, Kate! Feel free to touch me anywhere!β
Kate: βAll the other areas have already been tested, soβ¦ I'll go with your head.β
Kate: βCould you bend down a little?β
Victor: βGladlyβ¦ Is this alright?β
Victor: βMmβ¦ hehe, this feels nice.β
Victor: βI donβt usually get my head patted, so it feels even better.β
Roger: βHard to tell if itβs working or not with this guy.β
Kate: βVictorβ¦ are you also being captivated by me?β
Victor: βYesβ¦ as you can see, I've completely turned to jelly.β
William: βItβs working. Heβs just holding himself together so he doesnβt lose composure.β
Victor: βHey, Will! Donβt give me away!β
Roger: βIf William says so, then I'll take his word for it.β
Kate: βSoβ¦ that means Iβve finally conquered everyone!β
Harrison: βHahβ¦ You do realize what youβve just done, right? Going and making everyone here experienced that feeling.β
Kate: βHm? If you mean how Iβve touched everyone, then yesβ¦?β
Harrison: ββ¦You really donβt get how dangerous that was, do you?β
Kate: βDangerous?β
Darius: βYou have no idea how bad the odds are for you right now, do you?β
Roger: βBeing touched by you right now is the greatest pleasure for us right nowβ¦ basically a feast.β
Roger: βAnd now every single one of us has had a taste.β
Kate: ββ¦Huh?β
Jude: βYou seriously thought you could just mess with a bunch of villains like us and just walk away scot free?βΒ
Jude: βHeh. What a princess.β
Harrison βIf your touch gives that kind of pleasure, these guys are the type to go after it without hesitation.β
Kate: βTh-thatβs notβ¦β
Liam: βI barely even got touchedβ¦ Iβd like you to touch me again.β
Ellis: βHehe, me too.β
Elbert: βI meanβ¦ if you donβt mind, I could go for as long asββ
Alfons: βWell, it does make you wonder what would happen if we triedβ¦ certain things in this state.β
Ring: βH-hey! That kind of thing should wait until after marriage!β
Nica: βYeahβ¦ this is getting out of hand.β
Kate: βS-stop this!β
Kate: βWhatβs happening to your bodies is abnormal! Itβs like a sickness!β
Kate: βYou should all be resting, okay?!β
Victor: βUnfortunately, I think youβre a bit late to make that argument.β
William: βI doubt a group of people burdened with curses would be deterred by something like illness or abnormalities."
Kate: βThen letβs figure out the cause! That was the whole point of the experiment, right?!β
Roger: βThatβs one thing. But if thereβs a feast right in front of you, thereβs no reason not to dig in.β
Ellis: βBut forcing her isn't good. Kate wouldnβt be happy.β
Ellis: βSoβ¦ what if we make Kate happy, and as a reward, she touches us?β
Nica: βOh~, thatβs good. Do something nice, get something nice in return.β
Darius: βOr we skip the hassle and just make her do it.β
Darius: βIf a mere human can be useful to us, that alone should make her happy, right?β
Jude: βHah, only the person themselves gets to decide if theyβre happy.β
Elbert: ββ¦Hold on.β
Elbert: βAt this rate, from experience, I have a feeling this is going to turn into another brawlβ¦β
Harrison: βYeahβ¦ maybe itβs time to use our heads.β
Ring: βSoβ¦ we figure out a way to get that effect without fightingβ¦?β
Alfons: βA bunch of cats and only one piece of catnip. Not fighting seems impossible in this situation, doesnβt it?β
Jude: βSo now sheβs catnip, huh.β
Kate: βDid I justβ¦ lose my human rights by getting carried awayβ¦?β
William: βThen how about thisβ¦β
William: βWe set equal time limits and have Kate touch each of us. No forcing allowed.β
William: βLetβs seeβ¦ we still have sorting to do, and time is limited.β
William: βWe split into four groups of three, and each group spends time with Kate.β
William: βThe others will continue organizing the mail in the meantime.β
Ellis: βThatβs a nice idea. Feels like everyone can be happy.β
William: βOf course, thatβs only if Kate agrees. What do you want to do, Kate?β
Kate: βI donβt think I can handle all of you at full intensity one by oneβ¦β
Kate: βAnd if I fail to get away, thereβs a real risk to my physical and mental safetyβ¦β
Darius: βWow, no trust at all.β
Nica: βKind of deserved.β
Kate: βI accept your proposal!β
Liam: ββ¦This isnβt a competition, right?β
Harrison: βWith this bunch, you probably need that kind of resolve.β
Kate: βBut promise me one thing.β
Kate: βDuring this time with each groupβ¦β
Kate: βNo fighting, and no attacking me. Deal?β
Everyone exchanges glances and silently agrees.
Kate: βThen bring it on.β
Jude: βHeh. That contractβs full of holes. Youβre basically askinβ to get played.β
Ellis: βIβm looking forward to petting time.β
Elbert: βHow should we divide the groups?β
Victor: βI came prepared! Iβve got lots ready right here!β
*William: βWell then, Kate.β
*William: βLetβs see if you can tame us.β
T/N: Funny little Cybird error! Victor's sprite is the one showing but it says it's William talking
And so, in order to avoid pointless conflict, operation: Melt the Villains began!
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