TSOD Does Discourse

Did you know it's not punk to try and pretend a disorder is just a silly quirky thing

Did you know it's not ableist to call someone out when they support people faking a disorder for funzies

Did you know it's not punk to just idly stand by and allow people to destroy real punks image?

Did You Know Endos Aren’t Faking A Disorder Nor Are They Claiming To Have One?

Did You Know It’s Ableist To Call People Delusional Or Schizos When They’re Not? (This Has Happened To MANY Non-Traumagenics)

Did You Know That Being Endogenic Is Not “Being A System For Funzies?

Endos ARE Punk. They Actively Go Against The Social Norms And Push For Plural Acceptance And Liberation.

I do have a problem when they use that as an excuse to call us all toxic and cruel. I've seen many saying things like "Anti endos are so horrible, I'm so glad I'm not one of those monsters anymore"

You need to understand we aren't the monsters you make us out to be. We're traumatized people, trying our hardest to survive with something debilitating, who can't help but see endos as mocking, whether they truly are or not. We can't help but see endos as invading our spaces.

We didn't get to have safe spaces most of the time. We didn't get to be around people who cared about us and understood us. Even those of us that did have a safe space had it poisoned by trauma elsewhere. We spent our childhoods afraid, isolated, and so agonizingly alone, feeling like we were better off dead, that we were freaks, that we were the only ones in the world going through this. This community we made for ourselves was one we had to fight through years of hell to get.

So when random people come over trying to insist that they're "just like us" and demanding to be let in, despite having only one or two things in common that we couldn't even trust they truly had, of course we'll be fucking defensive. In our eyes, you're trying to take the safe spaces we fought tooth and nail for away from us, whether you truly are or not. In our eyes you're people who know nothing about us or what we went through, and continue to go through, trying to barge into our havens and bloat it with bullshit, whether that's what you're trying to do or not.

We've been hurt so many times, by so many people, for so long. Why the fuck would we take a chance on people that are so suspect? You claim to have alters just like us, yet without any of the other symptoms of our disorders. You claim to be systems, yet without being caused by the immense trauma we had to suffer through. Hell, some of you claim that you made your alters for fun, just because you can.

Of course we're wary and defensive. We don't want to even risk losing the spaces we worked so damn hard to get.

If you've had a bad experience with anti-endo spaces, and are pro-endo now because of it, that's fine by me and I understand completely. But that doesn't make us all villians. That doesn't make us all evil monsters.

And besides, many of us have been hurt by pro-endo/mixed origin spaces too. We've seen people have horrible experiences with them. (Let's not forget endos started as natural multiples, who were notoriously shitty, cruel, and discriminatory toward any and all traumagens, and that a lot of that same rhetoric is still rampant in the community, AND that the community at large has basically just decided to pretend that never happened.

Many Of The Anti-Endos We've Come Across Have Been Absolutely Horrible People To Anyone And Everyone Who Doesn't Fit Their Own Personal Definition Of Being A System. They're What Seems Like A Majority Which Causes Others To Think Every Anti-Endo Is A Bad Person.

And We're Assuming From Your Wording That You Don't Actually Know The True Meaning Of Endogenic / Non-Traumagenic. It Is Not Being A System Without Trauma Or Having A CDD Without Trauma.

It's Simply A System That Didn't Form Due To / Because Of Trauma. There Are Many Endogenic / Non-Traumagenic Systems Who Are Traumatized, It's Just Not The Reason Their System Formed.

The Term Endogenic Was Created As An Alternative By A Specific System To Use Rather Than Natural Multiple Or Just Regular Old Multiple. They Created The Term Traumagenic At The Time As Well. They Had Experienced Plurality Since Birth, With Two Originals Instead Of The Usual Failed Integration That Is Normally Seen In Traumagenic CDD Related Plurality. This Article Explains The System's Experiences And How They Came To Coin Endogenic, Traumagenic, And A Couple Other -Genic Terms.

Is It Right That Some Non-Traumagenic / Non-CDD Systems Go Into CDD Spaces Claiming Their Experiences Are The Same? No, It's Not. Are We Similar? In Some Ways, Mainly In The Fact That We Experience Plurality / Multiplicity As Well. Not Normally To The Same Extent Of CDD Systems Though.

And While CDDs Are Usually Traumabased, It Is Possible For Non-Traumagenic Systems To Have One. It's All About The Impairment Factor. The ICD-11 States It Under Every CDD In The "Boundary With Normality (Threshold)" Section Under The Diagnostic Criteria On This Official Site For The ICD-11.

Let's Not Forget That Endogenics And Traumagenics Used To Coexist Under The Multiple And Natural Multiple Labels Going Back All The Way Back To 1990 (According To The Creator Of Endo / Traumagenic Anyway). Not Normally Arguing Over Who Was Or Wasn't Faking. The Terms Eventually Began To Fall Into Disfavor By Those Who Believed The Term "Natural Multiple" Implied That Other Plurals Were Unnatural. Then After The Terms Endogenic And Traumagenic Were Created, Anti-Endos Took The Term And Twisted It's Meaning To Mean DID/OSDD Systems Are The Only "Real / True" Systems, When That's Not The Original Meaning Of The Term.

And When Endogenics Decided To Make Their Own Spaces, You Know What Happened? Antis Invaded Them. A Community On Here We're In Has Been Subjected To Being Posted On r/Systemcringe Twice In The Last 3 Or So Months. Then There's Astrothetherian. An Absolute Dogshit Excuse Of A "Traumagenic Savior". Constantly Harassing People For Simply Existing, Being Sexual, Misgendering, And Other Forms Of Harassment And Awful behavior Have Been Recorded From Him.

Please Don't Claim That Endos Were The Only Shitty Ones When In All Honesty, It Truly Seems Like Antis Started It All For No Reason Other Than Their Feelings Were Hurt Over A Simple Term. (/Nm) The "Majority" Of The Community Is "Pretending" It Never Happened Probably Because They. Don't. Know. We Didn't Know That Non-Traumagenics Were Supposedly "Notoriously" Awful Or Whatever. Which Really Isn't True Today And Probably Wasn't Back Then.. We Hardly See Any Hate Towards Traumagenic Systems From Endos, Rather Coming From Anti-Endos Who Automatically Strip The Traumagenic Origin And / Or CDD Diagnosis From Any Systems That Are Pro-Endo.

Also, Willogenic / Created Systems Do Exist Yes, But Not Usually For Fun. It's Often Due To An Intense Need / Want For Interaction Because Of Loneliness Or A Desire To Have Someone Internally To Help Them. Majority Of Endogenic Systems Did Not Choose To Be Plural, But That Doesn't Mean Those Who Did Are Awful Beings. We Have Tons Of Intentionally And Unintentionally Created Members Ourselves.

Hell Our Primary Co-Host Was Created As A Coping Mechanism For Our Old Host. He Started Out As An Oc That It Roleplayed As In Xaer Fantasies / Fake Scenarios. Then It Turned Into Actual Problems Among Other Things. Ex-Host No Longer Felt As Alone Anymore For A Reason Xey Couldn't Quite Pinpoint. Phantom Sensations Of Horns, Tails, And Wings Were Felt Constantly And So Vividly. Void Would Be "Taken Over" By Our Co-Host And Would Begin To Act Like Him And Started To Lose More And More Time. It Chalked It Down To His Declining Mental Health And A Vivid Imagination. Oh Boy How Pog Was Wrong.

We're Mixed Origins, Like We Mentioned In The Beginning, With A Heavy Amount Of Endogenic Alters. However, We're Chronically Dissociated And Hardly Know Who We Are At Any Given Moment. We Have Severe Memory Loss That Gets Us In Trouble And Other Symptoms Of CDDs. Our Endogenic Origins Don't Make Us Any Less Of A DID System. Our Trauma Could Hardly Be Called Immense In Our Opinion. We Weren't Even Abused (As Far As We Know), Just The Sheer Witnessing Of Our Parents Relationship Crashing And Burning Since Birth Was Enough To Stop The Integration Process. We Think We Lived Fine In Our Few Memories That We Have, All Up Until The Day Our Parents Divorced. That Sparked A Wave A Trauma We Weren't Ready For To Come Down On Us. Divorce Is Traumatic, A Very Common Cause Of Trauma In Children Actually. That Comes From Our Therapists Who Specializes In Patients With Trauma.

While We Formed From Trauma, Most Of Us Didn't. The Vast Majority Of Us Did Not. Hyperfixations And Interests Are Assholes To Us Due To The Fact That We "Absorb" Fictives Like A Sponge. Half Of Them Front Like Once To Log Their Info Then Fuck Off Somewhere In The Innerworld Never To Be Talked To Again Unless Yanked To Front By Someone Accidentally. Fragments Upon Fragments. Latching Onto Images Or Drawings Of People And Creatures, Floating Around Until We Yank Them To Co-Front To Try And "Fill" Them Out. Help Them Find A Sense Of Identity.

I Think The Point Was To Make It Known How Diverse Plurality Is And How There's No One Way To Experience Being A System? I Don't Know, The Rant Jumbled The Brain And Now There's Soup (Several People In Front And Don't Know Who Anyone Else Is Besides Me And The Primary Co-Host).

Anyway, Thanks For Reading All Our Word Salad.

If You Have Any Questions Let Us Know Because We're Tired And English Is Hard Right Now So If We Made Any Mistakes Or Worded Anything Weird We'd Be Happy To Explain.

Under no circumstances should you interact. block and move on.