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What is with these, quite frankly, insane takes about Vax not submitting due to his ego and wanting to âsave face?â Did we all watch the same show? You know, the one where thereâs a character who has barely any ego and sacrifices himself for his sister and friends over and over? I mean, if people are not able to understand the heroâs journey to this degree, I fear for the ability to grasp much media at all. When heroism is now being spun as selfish and egotistical, thatâs not just a bad take, itâs a dangerous one.
Because yeah, we can say this is fictional and regardless of how people perceive Vaxâs actions, itâs how he was written so people should bear with it and not be so offended. However, if you view a characterâs act of heroism as inherently selfish, what if a person commits such an act in real life? Would you call them an egotistical person just doing it for vanity? If a solider chooses to leap onto on a grenade for comrades, we donât say âwow, just doing it for his ego, what a loser.â No we honor such people because of the costs of their sacrifice. Are there some people who âplay the heroâ for attention? Sure, but that isnât what this is. This isnât a commentary on narcissistic manipulation. Itâs a character journey that leads to one man standing up to a vile, liar of a villain so others can do the same.
Them writing Vax as a character who doesnât submit is completely in line with his arc. Itâs not about ego or pride when he doesnât bow to Vecna. For one, the idea people seem to have that they wouldâve been able to regroup had Vax given in and Vecna wouldâve kept his promise is ludicrous. Heâs a villain, since when are you supposed to trust anything a villain says? Especially when he had just admitted to spinning an unholy web of lies for so long to convince them to kill him so he could resurrect. But yeah, sure, that guy would just let Vax go so they could regroup.
Second to add onto this, he chose Vax purposefully. He knew that Vaxâs abilities as the Champion of the Matron of Ravens was one of the only possibilities of stopping him and he was glad Keyleth had effectively taken that away. So his challenge is to Vax specifically because he holds a grudge against the one person who truly does stand in his way of taking power, namely the Matron and her Champion. In Vax denying him even the satisfaction of submission, itâs him still saying that the Matron and her Champion wonât give him the control he wants.
People just think that his death is so meaningless. My question then would be, what to you makes a death meaningful? Grog and Pike had just discussed this very thing when he was trying to wake her up about The Whispered One and she gave him her blood because she too had believed that everyoneâs death before had been for nothing. But Grog pointed out that he died for Pike and her father died for them. Just because someone chooses to die and someone else calls it a shame and worthless doesnât mean it was so. For Vaxâs character that death had a lot of meaning. Especially because of what he has to weigh in the balance of making that choice. He knew he was free of the Matronâs curse, he knew he could have a life with Keyleth and yet the importance of showing the world you do not have to bow to a liar and a villain was more important in that moment.
The reason Vox Machina is so enjoyable, at least to me, is because these characters have flaws and behave in a highly realistic, relatable way. Theyâre not perfect and can really fall on their face. Thatâs what happened with Keyleth. Peopleâs inability to admit she made a selfish decision because they consider it anti-feminist to say so is absurd. Itâs just narratively true. The others only bowed because they wanted to support her. You can see they disagree and are uncomfortable with the choice. Grog even tries to move forward until Pike discourages him. But itâs this well-rounded character growth and development which makes the story great. If they all just made the expected choice, they wouldnât be the characters we like anymore.
People are welcome to have differing opinions, the problem here is the overarching idea that a heroic action is actually the selfish one vs capitulation which isnât true at all. Thatâs the problem with driving these takes that Vax is the one in the wrong here, because he in no way is. Itâs just fascinating to me that people are trying to spin something objectively good and an honestly incredible character journey into something nasty.
I know people want Vax to look ageless but to me that's the things. In Canon, Vax doesnt age anymore. So if he ages here, it's natural. Vax doesnt - get - to age, and that's sad. When he gets his one night his sister says: "How dare you look younger than me."
Because she got to live. Wrinkles are proof of laughter, joy, and pain. Scars are proof of things that could have killed you and didn't. Your body weakens because it was never meant to last forever and you've put it to use.
In Vax's world, he fights to preserve that order over and over and over. He will never die. He will never - get - to die. There is no eternal slumber, no rest in peace, no afterlife. Its just an endless vacuum of static.
I want to see Vax grow old, I want to see him go grey and need a cane and have age spots. Because. That is how life works on Exandria. Where he should be.
And the Weave of Fate is still frayed. Maybe there's a chance we can mend it. Thread the needle and change all our fates.
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i feel sometimes his love and devotion is shown to be greater to vex than keyleth (i think thatâs often as percy and vex are the more nurtured/invested and thoroughly explored couple by the show runners so keyleth and vax dont feel as explored and more flat)
vax says he is in love with keyleth and wants a future with her but always does/choses the option that shows the opposite of that in his actions throughout the seasons. also when he is upset that he doesnât want to die talking to percy - he never mentioned leaving keyleth but you have keyleth sobbing about him dying in the same scene. paired with vaxâs other actions, it all makes the relationship feel incredibly imbalanced and kind of one sided
Iâm really not sure why people feel this way when he went on her Aramente with her which was entirely about devoting all his time to something that was solely about her. In the beginning of their relationship he denies his feelings when she doesnât want to be with him and then even after she kisses him, he tries not to continue when he has the vision of her being alone after everyoneâs death because he doesnât want her to be in pain. When theyâre together he encourages her and is her biggest cheerleader. Heâs the first one to look after her when sheâs injured and hurt. And Delilah could only show him the vision of the future he couldâve had with Keyleth, including marriage and a family with children, if thatâs something he has dreamed of in the first place. So no, I disagree about his devotion to Keyleth being less strong than that for Vex.
Just because he didnât mention that he would miss her or he wasnât shown breaking down and crying about being separated from Keyleth doesnât mean he lacks devotion. For one, men just donât tend to do this. While media today has kind of feminized men and made them have these big gushy emotional declarations or crying moments, thatâs really not realistic. Men tend to show things in other ways like how Vax is portrayed being the fixer and the one to comfort Keyleth when sheâs distressed. Heâs not going to seek out comfort himself. His moment with Percy was a rare sign of vulnerability to the one guy whoâd understand and Vax knew he wouldnât say anything to the girls and burden them with it. He couldnât say those things to Keyleth because they wouldâve only angered her and made her more upset at his predicament. Vaxâs love is shown in his bearing of the curse and pushing through to be the person everyone knew him to be right to the end. And love doesnât always have to be mentioned to be felt. Their relationship isnât one-sided at all, the way he loves her is just quieter and more steady. Heâs sort of been her rock from the beginning and in him keeping that, to me itâs a special kind of devotion.
People seem to think itâs one or the other, he either capituates and shows her he loves her or he dies and therefore he never loved her at all. As someone else pointed out on my post and was said so well, two things can be true at the same time. He can absolutely love Keyleth but know what the right choice is to make in any given scenario. Say for a real life example, people will push children out of the way of cars and lose their life in the process but that doesnât mean they love their family any less. Same for the soldier who dives on the grenade in war to save his comrades, just because they know thatâs the right decision doesnât mean they donât care about their loved ones. We celebrate these things because we understand there can be a cost to making the heroic choice but the person willing to make it is deserving of a special honor. The same can be said even in the fictional realm, itâs why weâve always loved superheroes who stand alone amidst a sea of people who follow the herd and donât go against the grain.
Also, I think people forget that if Vax made any different choice, say if he was a character who capitulated and wasnât this man who sacrificed himself and put others first, he wouldnât be the guy Keyleth loved in the first place nor the character we all respect. The reason we like him is because heâs noble and heroic and thatâs why Keyleth trusts and thinks highly of him. So if he made any other decision than the one he does for Vex or to spit in Vecnaâs face, he wouldnât be Vax at all and then he and Keyleth wouldnât have the same relationship at all. Thatâs why this is even more tragic because as Iâve said in other posts, she above anyone else shouldâve known he wouldnât want her to bow to Vecna and wouldâve died before he saw his friends make that decision. Ironically though, as fans are struggling to accept the duality of Vaxâs choice, that was also at the heart of what made Keyleth fight so hard. This whole season she couldnât accept that Vax could willingly go along with what the Matron wanted and that his death could be a choice in the sense of him accepting it, but that he also could love her just as deeply.
Okay, I have to talk about this. This is why I love Vax and why, even though Percy may be my favorite, Vax is probably the best of Vox Machina and the standout of the group. Because while the others do noble things in isolation for important reasons, Vax is noble to his core. Even when faced with certain death, he doesnât compromise what he knows to be the right choice.
We can see the moment the Whispered One asks him, âWhat say you, Champion?â Vax knows what making this choice will cost. He loves Keyleth with everything he has, weâve seen the future he wanted with her, the life heâs going to miss out on, the love for his sister and friends, the fear heâs had of dying but despite all that he chooses to spit in the Whispered Oneâs face anyway. To not submit to him. Even before that he was willing to die when he flew the Whispered One away from everyone to take the brunt on himself. That is true bravery.
While I understand Keylethâs choice, hers is ultimately made out of selfishness, the desire not to suffer loss and pain and the grief of saying goodbye. Vax makes the selfless choice. He always has. The one that puts others before himself despite what it will cost. He did the same in saving Percy and submitting to the Matron of Ravens. Turning what everyone thought was a curse into a chance for redemption and the saving of others. And thatâs what makes him a hero. The ability to stand alone and take on the burden of the difficult choice. Thatâs exceedingly heroic. Just adore Vaxâildanâs character.
This is just the thing. Vax sacrifices himself for others again and again (sometimes they never even acknowledge it, yes, I hate her) and yet, VAX is always in the wrong.
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I just think that for a selfless character who loves fiercely and deeply (as I'd argue all of Vox Machina do) it's easier to sacrifice yourself for a cause you see as right, than it is to sacrifice a loved one for that same cause - especially moreso when it's not clear either that this is the winning strategy in terms of saving the world.
Which is to say I think comparing Vax's decision to defy the Whispered One to the rest of VM's decision to capitulate for Vax's life is not really an equivalent comparison.
I just saw a dog shit take about Vax killing himself in the s4 finale "to protect his ego" because he "couldn't lie to save himself" and that Keyleth deserved better. I'm not reblogging from them because I don't want to send them hate, but I do want to respond to it
Is media literacy dead?? Vax is a heroic character. He has always, always sacrificed himself for the greater good. He will always sacrifice himself for others. His refusal to bend for the Whispered One was literally THE OPPOSITE OF SELFISH!! He did it to save the world! He is a hero and has been for a majority if not the entire show!
Yes, Keyleth does deserve better than losing Vax. She deserves her happy ending. But he was always doomed. He's been doomed since he became the Raven Queen's champion. She chose to be with him, even knowing who he is. The fact that he chose to sacrifice himself shows that he is the very opposite of selfish! He chose the world over spending the rest of his life with his girlfriend and his sister and Vox Machina, because he is a hero
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