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"No music is worth making, Julie, if we're not making it with you."

Ooh this is a great ask because I have an idea for a Max and Nora team-up for a fic mainly because I think their relationship is so interesting!

It was touched upon a few times in the og show how after Max, Nora would probably be the one to possibly become evil if it came down to it, but no one ever really pushed her to her limits like Max was (Nora got to grow up with her best friend - Max was pitted against his twin his entire life).

I really love the Cookie Mistake episode mainly because Max and Nora are vibing and being like oh why don't we hang out together more? until they realize that they're bad influences on each other and without Phoebe and Billy around respectively they tend to make bad decisions. Like these two would absolutely take over the world together. They're both sassy and don't really care about following rules all that much and I would love it if the new movie actually touches on their similarities a bit more.

I think they still don't hang out as much together by themselves, mostly because the circumstances usually don't allow it - Nora is either away or living at home, Max is living with Phoebe and Chloe, there's always someone else around - but also they've definitely gone overboard over the years and they try to keep the balance. Phoebe and Billy are aware and keeping an eye out.

But then! They would also do what needs to be done. They have less inhibitions than everyone else and sometimes they need to take certain risks, especially as superheroes that I think Phoebe and Billy would hesitate on.

At the same time, Phoebe and Nora got more episodes together, but it was mostly generic - a bit more Phoebe and Nora and Billy and everyone else rather than the two of them teaming up.

I think Nora loves to go up against Max or Max and Phoebe as a duo, but she actually gets along just fine with Phoebe. Like there were definitely moments throughout the years and especially when Nora was younger that the two would just spend time together and Nora loved her big sister wanting to hang out with her. Also Phoebe definitely encouraged her to do the supersemester abroad because she thought it would be a great experience for her.

Also for all the jabs Nora will throw at them and their superhero accomplishments, she definitely looks up to them too. Like, does she think they're being stupid most of the time? Yes, of course. Does she also think they will get the job done? Absolutely.

Okay so, I really need to tell someone about this fic before I lose my mind😂😂

Long story short, I decided to write this one as a surprise gift for my friend and in classic fashion what was supposed to be a few thousand words is now 21k and rising and has taken over my life, I will either finish it or it will finish me.

It is a Disney Zombies fic, set 3ish years after the last movie - a bit more serious than canon (I feel like that is my brand at this point) and angsty (definitely my brand at this point) and I started out not knowing if it would be good because I’ve never written those characters before and now I’ve become invested. Like once this one is finished, I will write everything else too😅

I wasn’t sure if I was gonna upload it but I kind of want to because I am unable to finish writing anything and not put it out into the world so we'll see✨ I will leave a little snippet under the cut because it’s been three months and the only person in my life who knows these characters is the only person I cannot show this to, but I need someone else to see this at this point😂

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5+1 max-phoebe twin thing

secret 4th option

Yesss

Okay, so, I like to think that Chloe secretly actually looks up to them when it comes to all the superhero stuff. Something I really feel has been missing from Undercover is more moments where they point out that Max and Phoebe are actually very skilled at being superheroes and have been doing this far longer than Chloe has.

They've been leading the task force for years and are canonically one of the best teams the Hero League has. They are a bit chaotic sure, but they are supposed to be well respected in the superhero world. All of that to say, they have the skills and Chloe - eager to be a good superhero herself - must recognize that. On the other hand she is also a teenager who thinks her oldest siblings are kinda dumb sometimes - in her defense, that is also true - so she would never really say that out loud.

I like to think though that she tries to take things from both of them even though she complains about their lack of communication sometimes.

At the same I think she sees them as a safety net. Not in a bad way, she is still supposed to be in training and they have been dealing with a lot but I think even if she doesn't realize it, there's definitely some kind of security in the back of her head that if something goes wrong it's gonna be okay because Max and Phoebe can fix it like they always do. She does her best and that's good, but maybe sometimes things don't work out, but that is okay because she's not alone.

And I think that creates a great juxtaposition with Phoebe who was so zealous over getting everything right and perfect while she was Chloe's age, a teenager still training, who couldn't allow anything to go wrong because she didn't think she could afford it even though Hank and Barb were right there, ready to help.

Which brings me to my next point- Max and Phoebe are pretty self aware about their own personal issues and don't want Chloe to grow up with the same insecurities they did. They're still trying to move past certain behaviors and are kinder to each other, but they definitely made a point to not turn Chloe into an obsessive teenage superhero, fighting for their approval. They know what tore them apart in the first place, so if they see Chloe repeating behaviors they recognize, they try to get ahead of it and reassure her she's doing well even if she doesn't ask for it. Their main goal is not to make sure she's a great superhero, but to make sure she's happy with whatever she chooses to do.

Relationships: Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Chloe Thunderman & Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Billy Thunderman & Chloe Thunderman & Max Thunderman & Nora Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Billy Thunderman & Nora Thunderman, Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman & Barb Thunderman & Hank Thunderman

Additional Tags: 5+1 Things, Hurt/Comfort, Fluff and Angst, POV Outsider, phoebe and max are good guardians, billy and nora care about each other so much, Parent-Child Relationship, hank and barb love their children, but they also need to work on certain things, Angst with a Happy Ending, Other Additional Tags to Be Added

Summary (Chapter 5)

“You know, kids, back when your mom and I were constantly on the field-” Hank started to say because he really couldn’t help himself and maybe they stood to learn something from them still.

“Oh my God, dad, not another history lesson, please,” Max said with a groan which was a pretty familiar reaction, but Hank never lost hope that something would drive home eventually.

“Maybe you’d argue less if you listened to someone else for a change,” he said.

“I’m pretty sure we argue more when people don’t let us do what we do,” Max insisted.

Relationships: Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Chloe Thunderman & Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Billy Thunderman & Chloe Thunderman & Max Thunderman & Nora Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman, Billy Thunderman & Nora Thunderman, Max Thunderman & Phoebe Thunderman & Barb Thunderman & Hank Thunderman

Additional Tags: 5+1 Things, Hurt/Comfort, Fluff and Angst, POV Outsider, phoebe and max are good guardians, billy and nora care about each other so much, Parent-Child Relationship, hank and barb love their children, but they also need to work on certain things, Angst with a Happy Ending, Other Additional Tags to Be Added

Summary (Chapter 4)

“The Hero League called to ask about our progress and Max let them know that we would bring our target in by the end of the week. Same target we have not really seen yet.”

“We know where he is,” Max insisted.

“We hope we do,” Phoebe corrected.

“We’ve almost gotten through to the original footage of the cameras.”

“But not yet,” Phoebe said again.

“It’s Monday!”

“There’s no reason to put us on a clock!”

Oh definitely, I agree a hundred percent.

Honestly I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t think Max was ever truly evil. He spent three seasons trying to become the best supervillain and then turned around and chose his family and friends every time it mattered. The one time he really went off the rails was at the end of 'Secret Revealed' after everything that happened with Phoebe, but when she made him face what he was actually trying to do, he immediately changed sides.

Phoebe went from 0 to 100 because she was brainwashed by Dark Mayhem's powers and basically became him. She could not be reasoned with and would have destroyed everyone if Max hadn’t found a way to take the powers away.

What she said is true, but it always made me sad because she's the only one who knows why Max decided to become a supervillain in the first place. He told her he didn’t want to compete with her so he decided to play a different game where he could get the number one spot and Phoebe brings it up again a season later saying that he decided to be a supervillain because he was scared of failing and that whole era was basically Max's insecurities about not being good enough taking root and trying to save himself from what he thought was certain disappointment. All this to say that it always felt to me that that comment was a bit unnecessary, like saying 'oh actually the one thing you thought you were good at, well, I’m better than you at this too'.

Hope we'll get a season 2!