Tim Pool hosts an absolutely idiotic panel discussion on “deep state weather manipulation”
We have been seeing a lot of disinformation lately about the recent hurricanes in the south, particularly the false claim that the United States government is somehow controlling these hurricanes and using them to somehow steal the election. It’s a claim that’s stupid on its face but that didn’t stop Tim Pool from hosting a completely batshit insane panel discussion on supposed government weather manipulation. It turned out to be about as dumb as it sounds and I figured that we needed a lighter debunk after the last post. Let’s let Tim introduce the topic and then the co-panelists (who are all internet lunatics but I’ll get into each individual when they’re introduced) and then we’ll get on to debunking some conspiracy BS.
00:07, Tim Pool: “All these corporate journalists are livid cause Marjorie Taylor Greene was tweeting that they can control the weather. Of course she’s referring to militaries, powerful individuals, the general — the man right? But the media wanted to make it about the Jews because that’s the only way they can go after Marjorie Taylor Greene when she talks about geoengineering, cloud seeding, and other weather manipulation techniques that are available.”
Yeah, there’s a long history of antisemitic coding revolving around the word “they” but leaving that aside for now let’s talk about weather manipulation.
There’s a great recent article in the Atlantic that goes over some of the details about cloud seeding and geoengineering but suffice it to say that these are both really new technologies that really don’t have the kind of power that these guys think they have.
Take for instance cloud seeding, the process of injecting silver iodine into clouds in order to create artificial condensation. Cloud seeding is only semi-affective at best right now and as the article notes, we can’t artificially create clouds right now and we need clouds in order to seed them. Scientists have tried to artificially dim the sun in the past but that’s an extremely finicky process that requires releasing a quadrillion carefully calibrated particles into the atmosphere. It’s not like you can just pull a lever and then boom, different weather. That’s not a thing that exists outside of imagination land.
As for hurricanes, the notion that anybody can create a hurricane out of thin air with the current technology that we have is ridiculous. We can *barely* make it rain (and even then only with the right conditions) and these dumb-dumbs think that we have the kind of technology to control something as powerful as a hurricane?! If somebody tells you that the government can create hurricanes, the only reasonable response is to laugh in their face because clearly they don’t know what they’re talking about.
00:46, Tim Pool: “This results in this massive viral conversation from tones of people about, can the government make hurricanes? Ok, well that seems a little bold but some people are talking about actual weather manipulation. We’ve talked about Operation Popeye a little bit on Timcast IRL because the subject came up where the US Military was cloud seeding as a weapon of war to wash out roads in Vietnam.”
Except that there’s no proof that this operation was actually successful. Just because the government tried to do something doesn’t mean that they actually succeeded.
Also, trying to wash out roads with cloud seeding is a far cry from the government being able to create targeted hurricanes. Anyway, here are the panelists. I’ll let them introduce themselves and then I’ll explain how every single one of them is completely batshit crazy.
01:26, David DuByne: “Hi, I’m David DuByne, I run the Adapt 2030 channel and the Civilization Cycle podcast. I was a former coffee buyer in Myanmar and when we were purchasing coffee there circa 2012, we were encountering cold leaf damage, leaf kill on the top, and then the bean density was decreased but talking to the farmers they told us that their great grandfathers who were also farming at that time in the 1880’s experienced the same cold wave but you realize, and this is in Myanmar so I was a global warming believer, so I went back to the end of the 1880’s to take a look and then suddenly I found these cycles through history that eb and flow food production and that follows right along with civilization cycle and decline, apex and decline.”
Congratulations David, you’ve discovered what seasons are. Nice job buddy.
David DuByne is a climate denial grifter who’s YouTube channel is all about how the economic collapse is coming any day now, climate change is fake, society is going to reset, and you’ve got to buy his junk to “adapt”. His arguments are the usual climate denial nonsense like “Well, if global warming is a thing how come it snows sometimes?” (I guess when he discovered seasons he stopped before he discovered the difference between weather and climate).
It’s just brain rot stuff and I have no idea where Tim even found this guy since he’s not that well known. We don’t hear from him too much over the course of this episode which I think is a positive thing.
Let’s move on to the next grifter.
02:27, Ransom Godwin: “I am Ransom Godwin, I’m the host of Mountain High Time, a YouTube channel and you know, I’m not an expert on anything I’ve just been around the circle continually getting banned everywhere cause I seem to find the right topics to talk about that are taboo I guess. So I keep getting banned and now I’m the co-host with DuByne on Civilization Cycle where we talk about how things are changing and you know, some of these things like global warming. I’m not a fan of global warming, I don’t believe that, but I also don’t believe that governments have enough power to control things as big as hurricanes, I just don’t see it happening.”
I love how this dudes entire qualification is just “I’m kind of a dick and keep getting banned on social media”.
Ransom’s a former DJ turned weirdo right-wing YouTuber and later David DuByne’s co-host. The dude has one thousand subscribers on YouTube, again no idea where Tim found this guy.
I guess he’s the one arguing for the reasonable side of the aisle. They didn’t get a meterologist or someone who actually knows what he’s talking about, just a guy who’s big introduction is “I GOT BANNED FROM YOUTUBE ONCE”. Also, he later admits that he thinks that the government can amplify the strength of hurricanes so he’s not even that reasonable.
03:04, Brian Smith: “How you doing guys? In2ThinAir. I run the In2ThinAir channel. I am a creator, private researcher.”
Tim Pool: “You gotta slide over to your right a little bit.”
Please don’t, I’ve already heard enough of this guy for one lifetime.
So, Brian Smith is a self-proclaimed weather expert and the owner of the In2ThinAir YouTube channel. A cursory look at his channel shows videos with titles like “🤯 DOG Climbs the GREAT Pyramid IN EGYPT! - MESSAGE From the GODS!”, “🤯Trump 2nd Assassination Attempt PREDICTED By TIME Magazine!” and my personal favorite “SOLAR FLARE Shows 'Phoenix Rising' Ahead of Total SOLAR ECLIPSE!!”
Now, if those extremely illuminating titles didn’t tip you off, this guy is…how do I put this delicately? COMPLETELY FUCKING BANANAS!
Half of this guys videos are of him ranting about a coming spiritual war and sounding like that guy on the subway that everyone tries to avoid! This is not a serious person.
Speaking of unserious people, the final panelist is a weirdo chemtrail guy who appears to have made up his own system for classifying clouds.
03:31, Shane Cashman: “Very excited for this episode today. Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live every Sunday at six on YouTube and weather channel reject and I study fake clouds.”
Tim Pool: “What’s a fake cloud?”
Shane Cashman: “Well there’s a classification system, there’s a whole bunch. There’s vintage clouds, god made.”
I can see why this guy got rejected from the weather channel because I found absolutely nothing on this classification system outside of Tim Pools YouTube channel.
Shane’s one of Tim’s “news writers” and is mostly here to represent the chemtrail weirdo contingent of Tim’s audience. This whole thing is a circus full of disinformation spreading clowns.
With all of that out of the way, let’s take a look at the actual discussion and debunk some BS. Tim starts off by asking the question on his audiences minds and accidentally lets a bit of his reasoning for hosting this panel slip.
04:54, Tim Pool: “Alright, so the question that everybody wants to hear first I suppose; did the government make the hurricanes to destroy the southeast so that Kamala Harris can win the election?”
Shane Cashman: “Make or manipulate?”
Tim Pool: “Well, I went for the most extreme version of this story.”
Yeah, I believe that. This whole thing is basically just Tim dragging the dumbest people he could find onto his channel so that they can launder government weather control conspiracies to his audience and get him more money as a result.
Anyway, Ransom has really dumb thoughts on cloud seeding.
05:13, Ransom Godwin: “No, I don’t think they can control it. Now, manipulating it is another topic because obviously they do have a lot of cloud seeding programs and a lot on the internet right now they’re talking about lasers seeding clouds as well and I looked at their experiment and this is a very small room and a little thing. However, the sun we just had a flare. That produces enough electrons to seed lots of moisture so whenever you have a solar flare combined with a Hurricane and maybe some manipulations I think they can do a Ho Chi Minh trail type thing and make it rain more.”
Ok, this is extraordinarily stupid for a wide array of reasons.
The only thing less developed than standard cloud seeding is laser assisted cloud seeding. That technology is extraordinarily experiential and can barely influence standard weather, let alone hurricanes.
No cloud seeding technology can influence hurricanes. As I said before, hurricanes are extraordinarily powerful and the amount of energy required to manipulate them is greater than our current technology affords. The clouds found in hurricanes also contain less water droplets that silver-iodide targets making influencing them with cloud seeding even more infeasible.
There are so many moving parts in this conspiracy too. So the shadowy government cabal needs to wait for just the right solar flare and then just the right Hurricane and THEN they can influence the election. This is ridiculous.
06:01, Brian Smith: “I believe they can create them. I don’t think it’s as easy as people may think. This is a combination between HAARP, lower level things like NEXRAD, and the simple radar towers, 5G.”
Yeah, one thing that you’ll notice about this Brian Smith guy is that he likes to just throw out a lot of conspiracy buzzwords and never provide specifics. This is one of the massive red flags that the person you’re talking to shouldn’t be taken seriously. The enemy of conspiracy is specificity.
For example, how exactly can 5G influence a Hurricane? That’s just stupid on its face. Next thing you know we’ll be hearing about how the lizard people are using vaccines to create hurricanes. It’s alt-right mad libs.
To give you an example of this in action, here’s what happens when Tim asks Brian for specifics.
06:15, Brian Smith: “Things can be manipulated, the jet stream can be controlled. There’s definitely examples out there where they have hurricanes that were sitting in one area with a lot of military around them like the airplanes and stuff like that as if it was a project. They were working on it, it was getting bigger and smaller and then eventually dissipated.”
Notice how again, there are no specifics. Just “well there’s definitely some examples out there, just trust me”.
Tim then asks an armour piercing question.
06:33, Tim Pool: “When was that?”
Don’t get me wrong, Tim is a terrible interviewer whose main goal is laundering his guests extreme positions to his audience but that’s a really really basic question. If this “independent researcher” is what he says he is this should be a slam dunk.
06:37, Brian Smith: “They started — they started doing that in the 40’s and 50’s.”
Tim Pool: “When they started creating a hurricane?”
Shane Cashman: “Project Cirrus. Creating hurricanes? 1948 is when they started dropping silver iodine into Hurricane King.”
Brian Smith: “47 was Project Cirrus, that’s when they dropped dry ice into a hurricane thinking it would dissipate it. It actually caused it to hook a turn into right into Florida and actually killed somebody.”
Oof, saved by Tim’s idiot co-host.
Nothing about what these guys are saying about Project Cirrus is true. While a lot of people did blame Project Cirrus for causing the hurricane to hook a turn into Florida most scientists nowadays agree that the notion that 80 kilograms of dry ice could even remotely impact a hurricane is pretty ridiculous.
Hurricanes are strong, unpredictable, and make unpredictable turns all the time. For example, Hurricane Charley made an unexpected turn in 2004 which led to Tampa being spared and Sarasota being hit. In 2005, Hurricane Wilma made a sudden 90 degree turn towards Florida. There’s no evidence that the shadowy cabal of Democrat operatives had any role in either Hurricane or the countless others that made unexpected turns in the past.
Tim reads the first quarter of the Wikipedia page for Project Stormfury and then makes a remarkably dumb statement.
08:29, Tim Pool: “I’d actually assume that creating is substantially easier than manipulating because planting a seed is very very easy, moving a tree is very very hard.”
Ah yes, because trees are equivalent to a giant tropical storm. What are we even doing here?
08:40, Tim Pool: “If, so you have a small depression form and then it starts to expand and grow as the storm grows wild and crazy. The implication to me that you could move a thirty mile wide Hurricane sounds pretty nuts but the idea that you could seed with a very small and I mean very very small portion of warm water that creates the beginnings of what could create a hurricane seems much more plausible. Not that I’m saying it’s possible, I’m saying it seems easier to plant a seed than move a hurricane.”
Both sound pretty nuts to me considering that modern cloud seeding technology hasn’t even came even remotely close to the level it would have to be to create a hurricane. Neither of the options that Tim has given here are scientifically feasible. We are not even close to being able to generate the amount of energy that’s needed to just create a hurricane out of thin air or even increase its size. The only way this metaphor would make sense is if planting a tree required enough energy to wipe out all life on the planet!
I’m definitely using “it’s easier to plant a seed than move a hurricane” in my day to day life though.
So, they yap on about how cloud seeding was utilized in Dubai once and I’m not going to waste your time with it. Just because one piece of technology exists doesn’t mean that some larger scale piece of related technology also exists. We can call people with FaceTime but that doesn’t mean that Star Wars-esque holographic projectors exist. We can fly through the sky on airplanes but that doesn’t mean that we can teleport.
10:23, Shane Cashman: “I wonder if you could go back to 1861, there was that colonel they called the rain maker who went out and literally bombed the atmosphere and said I could create the — and he had a patent for it right? And then he took credit for every storm.”
This is an argument you hear from weather control conspiracy theorists all the time, this is a Marjorie Taylor-Greene line too. Years ago somebody filed a patent for a machine that supposedly could control the weather so that surely must mean that the government can create hurricanes now, right?
The problem is that patents are absolutely meaningless. There have been patents filed for; full body teleportation systems that transport the body through “hyperspace”, greenhouse helmets, and devices that calculate your life expectancy. Do MTG, Tim Pool, and Shane Cashman mean to tell me that we can secretly teleport because some nutcase filed a patent for it years ago? And in case you were wondering, none of the specific patents that these guys always cite are compatible with modern technology and science. I couldn’t find the specific thing that they were talking about but provided that it does actually exist, it’s still some dumb patent from the 1800’s and that doesn’t prove anything.
Anyway, time to learn about HAARP. They harp on about HAARP for a bit and then Brian decides to try and prove to the others that HAARP can influence the weather. It’s predictably very stupid.
12:35, Brian Smith: “That’s not the point though. HAARP’s not creating the hurricane, HAARP’s adjusting the atmospheric conditions on earth to allow hurricanes to be formed in a certain area on earth.”
None of these dumb-dumbs know what HAARP is. I feel like HAARP is one of those things that people talk a lot about but nobody actually seems to know what it does. Enter morons like Alex Jones who exploit that lack of knowledge to push conspiracy theories about HAARP because it has kind of a scary sounding name.
HAARP stands for High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, it is a research facility located near Gakona, Alaska. The purpose of HAARP is to study the ionosphere which is the highest ionized part of earths atmosphere. The way that HAARP does this is by sending radio signals into the ionosphere which causes electrons to move in waves. It’s pretty complicated stuff and I’m not really an expert in this particular field, nor is 99% of the population including Brian Smith.
The fact that what HAARP does isn’t really clear unless you read up on the science, which is a pretty complicated process in and of itself, is something that conspiracy theorists have taken advantage of. Lots of people have claimed that HAARP is used to control the weather (they never elaborate on HOW it’s supposed to do this). HAARP research data is actually pretty public and they offer annual tours of the site.
Anyway, Tim doesn’t believe in HAARP conspiracies…for now. So as a result everybody starts selling him on why HAARP is controlling the weather.
14:05, Shane Cashman; “I think it’s more than just controlling weather. I think they’re burning — they’ll tell you they’re burning a hole in the ionosphere, which is where radio transmissions go, migratory birds use the ionosphere the magnets with their cryptochromes, it’s affecting something. I think it doesn’t just stay in the hole, I think there’s a ripple effect honestly. And other people would say that by doing this — you ever hear of cymatics? Like with frequencies used to make sound become matter. I think there’s something to Tim’s point. The leap — that’s for me is where I’m thinking. If you can control something through frequencies like cymatics does with shapes and matter or sound into matter, that’s the reason it could potentially be controlling weather.”
One of the games that conspiracy theorists will often play is throwing out a bunch of complicated words and concepts and capitalizing off of their audiences ignorance around those concepts to sell a faulty premise.
Shane Cashman has no idea what he’s talking about here. Cymatics is the study of visualizing audio frequencies and has nothing to do with HAARP or the weather. If we’re taking what he’s saying seriously, we essentially are being asked to believe that somehow sound frequencies can manipulate the weather and create hurricanes.
Also, they’re not “burning a hole” into the ionosphere. They’re heating small portions of it to study it’s effects.
This part is pretty funny. Presented without comment.
15:19, Tim Pool: “I’m concerned about this right, because we got a few super chats from people saying HAARP is disinformation or distraction, one thing that we know that intelligence will do is fake conspiracies, that’s the real conspiracy right?”
HAARP’s a psy-op everybody!
“Yeah, all this dumb stuff that guys on my side are saying including everyone around me at this very table…that’s the CIA bro.”
I guess that’s one way to do damage control.
16:06, Brian Smith: “I try to tell people that when — a lot of people bring up HAARP and I’m like, you know, HAARP is like an idea. It’s a thought process of a very powerful type of technology but it’s old and I think it’s possible that yeah, the whole term is being used as a distraction now to discredit people who talk about it. I do think there’s a technology that’s bigger than HAARP that can do exactly what HAARP conspiracy theories are saying that it does though.”
This guy is such a dick. Five minutes ago he was all in on HAARP conspiracy theories but then when he gets the most mild pushback I’ve ever seen it becomes “Yeah, I think that HAARP’s a distraction from this bigger weather control station that I won’t name in this video”. This is embarrassing.
However, Tim’s brilliant analysis got me thinking. Brian seems almost intentionally dumb. Could it be that he’s a CIA operative using Tim’s dumb Russia-funded YouTube show to poison the well and make conspiracy theorists look bad? I think we’re getting close people.
If you haven’t noticed, I’ve stopped taking this “panel” seriously. They start talking about CERN and “anti-matter weapons” and I honestly don’t care about what their thoughts on that are. People aren’t throwing black hole grenades around and the entire CERN leg of the discussion just comes across like a bunch of twelve year old boys making stuff they think sounds cool up. They then have a very dumb discussion about AI.
21:42, Tim Pool: “The fascinating thing too is, I remember watching these old sci-fi movies where they’re trying to find a chemical formula for a cure or something, and they’re in a computer and the computers like running a simulation and it shows like the chemicals and everything and that was sci-fi. AI literally does that now. So, they collect all of our health data, put ten million different files from various humans and various ailments into the computer and let the AI run through it and they don’t go to do anything. Basically the AI brute forces all the data and finds patterns and then it says ‘we discovered that every single person who is suffering from pancreatic cancer also had this one weird marker that no one’s ever noticed before’ because it can see patterns we can’t recognize. Then doctors are like wow. Then if you take some random persons medical data, load it into the AI, they’re gonna be like in ten years you’ll have pancreatic cancer because you have the same marker as them and we can treat it right now.”
So AI apparently can predict if you have cancer now.
There are some AI tools that have been developed to identify if a certain cancer patient is likely to respond to certain drugs like checkpoint inhibitors and some that can identify cancer, the tech isn’t currently even remotely close to where Tim’s saying it’s at.
Take for example, a recent AI tool debuted by the Royal Marsden NHS foundation that can accurately identify cancer. While the AI can identify cancer in people, it’s extremely far away from being able to detect hidden markers that indicate that the person may be suffering from cancer. Even the researchers behind the tool admit as much, quote:
“In the future, we hope it will improve early detection and potentially make cancer treatment more successful by highlighting high-risk patients and fast-tracking them to earlier intervention,”
So yes, what Tim’s saying might very well be the next step for AI’s utilization in medical research but we aren’t quite there yet. If that were the case we’d be throwing parades in the streets because we’d have basically cured cancer.
22:40, Tim Pool: “So if you were to load all the worlds weather data in real time, constantly, into an AI it’s gonna show you basically a map of probabilities where storms may form.”
There is technology being developed to predict the weather using AI but that still doesn’t mean that people can control hurricanes. That’s a massive leap.
Tim Pool also has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to climate change.
26:44, Tim Pool: “We did a show, I think a few months ago, maybe more than a few months ago. We were talking about the poles shifting and one of the interesting things that was brought up that I didn’t really think about but it’s so obvious is that there’s a glacier in Indonesia. That there’s a gigantic ball of ice on top of a mountain in Indonesia and it seems crazy because it’s a warm area but at the high altitudes these glaciers take very very long times to melt. And so, thinking of that, and then hearing stories about global warming it really does feel like — when I hear about climate change scientists, and you know or whatever, or the climate scientists and blah blah blah, it feels like a kindergartener trying to explain what’s going on with the weather without having enough data or understanding of the billions of years.”
So, let’s break this down. Glaciers exist on top of mountains in Indonesia so that means that climate change is fake…that’s it, that’s the argument. Never mind the fact that those exact same glaciers are literally melting because of climate change or the fact that there’s really no connection between both of those topics.
Science is also fake apparently.
27:45, Tim Pool: “I think there’s a strong possibility when you look at everything, actually I think it’s a 100% probability, we are wrong about all science. To be fair, 99.9. What we get right is what we can replicate. We can make video games, we can drive cars, so science does get us to these points where we can predict and make these systems. But to predict global weather, I don’t know that humans have been around enough, tracking enough data, to really understand what’s happening.”
Even in the context of this video that statement doesn’t make any sense. Tim was just going on about how AI can predict the weather (which we now apparently can’t do) and cancer, not to mention all the stuff about how we can apparently manipulate the course of hurricanes.
Also, David DuByne is an idiot who sucks.
28:09, David DuByne: “Let me combine these two ideas and then Brian, I’d like to get your opinion on it. So, going back to this, if you’re going to really control weather, not manipulate it, not modify it, you’re going to have to have sensors about every foot on the planet to understand what’s going on from the ground level up to what? 18,000 feet, maybe 20,000 feet? The same thing is true with what we get fed with global warming and global temperature data. They don’t have sensors everywhere. In the oceans it’s barely a cover, they might have a few buoys out there. And when they’re talking about overall land temperatures, there’s very few temperature data stations collecting data anywhere and they’re trying to say the entire planets heating at this uniform rate in this area but it’s not.”
There are over 100,000 weather stations around the world. Furthermore, there are satellites monitoring the climate and there’s the fact that our recorded temperature data shows that the present keeps breaking records in terms of heat. In short, David DuByne has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about.
Half of the episode is just these guys making stuff up about climate change. They play an extremely boring slideshow from DuByne for a majority of the other half of the video that’s basically “hey guys, look…weather patterns exist” and I’m not going to bother looking at that. They then go back to talking about weather modification and it’s basically the same stuff as before. If you want to watch it, go right ahead. It’s just the same dumb crap from the beginning constantly being repeated ad nauseam.
Wow, I’m pretty sure I lost brain cells looking at that one. When Tim Pool is the most reasonable person in the discussion, you know you’re screwed. It’s probably going to be a long time before I look at another one of Tim’s panel discussions because these are just way too long and everyone there has a bad habit of saying absolutely nothing.
Tim Pool. “Geoengineered Super Storms & Government WEATHER CONTROL | the Culture War with Tim Pool.” YouTube, 11 Oct. 2024.