#vinciagender

Vinciagender / Vinciangender flag

An Orientationgender; when your orientation is so intrinsically tied to your gender that you absolutely cannot separate the two.

This is based off of the original Vincian flag, though you don't have to use that label or flag primarily to use this ( you could also use it if you're Achillegender / Gaygender / any related Orientationgender with overlap. ) The symbol versions are optional and you're free to add your own!

veldian/turian is inclusive enough, I think. there's also floric, virsic/virsian, magnian, casian, cinthean, gayan, virescin, hyacean/hyacique, and uranian. see also some other terms

vincian was also coined as an alternate term to achillean (MLM) (see discussion). once a wiki used it excluding non-binary people, suggesting they could only use toric (NLM), andro- or viramoric.

if you feel more comfortable using vincian, go ahead. gender apathetic vincians are valid af. o/

Cyan from Among Us is a bisexual transneutral agender vinciagender person who’s the host of an OSDD-1b system and uses they/them, fae/faer, and ☁️/☁️s pronouns! One of their sysmates is Aqua, an aroace transneufeminine gendercute pinkgender pastelgender strawberrymilkgender faesari nonbinary girl quoigenic agesliding ANP who uses shey/shem, they/them, it/its, fae/faer, 🌊/🌊s, 🦑/🦑s, 🌹/🌹s, 🦋/🦋s, and straw/berry pronouns!

Simply put: Someone who is sapphogender or achille/vinciagender is a nonbinary person who feels in some way that they are a wlw or mlm respectively, but who otherwise feels no attachments or alignment to femaleness/maleness and/or masculinity/femininity. The only way they can feel male/female(-aligned/adjacent/etc.) or masculine/feminine is through attraction to the same or similar genders.

These could fall under the condigender umbrella if the label user feels their gender is only/most present in certain circumstances (e.g. with a partner they experience sapphic or achillean/vincian attraction to).

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Sapphogender - A wlw (/and nblw) who only experiences femaleness or anything of the like through their attraction to women & people of FIN/female-aligned genders. This person may be nonaligned or other-aligned, but they DO NOT feel any attachments to womanhood outside of this specific attraction. (They may also be attracted to men or other nbs.) This term can be coupled with any other gender identities that fit the label user as well; there may be specific terms the label user feels describes the female/fem-aligned aspect of their identity together with this term, as well as the rest of their identity outside of female/feminine alignment (for example, a sapphogender lunarian, who is otherwise an unaligned agender person).

Flag meaning:

The middle three stripes are the colors of the sapphic flag, while the outer purple stripes represent the otherwise non-female/feminine identity of the label user.

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Achille/Vinciagender - An mlm (/and nblm) who only experiences maleness or anything of the like through their attraction to men & people of MIN/male-aligned genders. This person may be nonaligned or other-aligned, but they DO NOT feel any attachments to manhood outside of this specific attraction. (They may also be attracted to women or other nbs.) This term can be coupled with any other gender identities that fit the label user as well; there may be specific terms the label user feels describes the male/male-aligned aspect of their identity together with this term, as well as the rest of their identity outside of male alignment (for example, an achillegender demiboy, who is otherwise genderfae).

Flag meaning:

The middle three stripes are the colors of the achillean flag, while the outer purple stripes represent the otherwise non-male/masculine identity of the label user.

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Also Note: These are related to, though not the same as sapphic- and achillean/vinciangender (when a sapphic or achillean/vincian person feels that their orientation is so intrinsically tied to their gender that they absolutely cannot separate the two; see: orientationgender).

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Well, firstly you should probably be asking someone who actually is sapphogender and not me. The most honest answer I can give is “it’s up to the individual to define themself and know what’s most comfortable for them.”

But I should probably clarify that people with these affinitive genders do not necessarily have to identify with labels like man or woman; they could be any man/woman-aligned gender or any FIN/MINgender. The important thing is that (for sappho- and achille/vinciagender folks at least) they identify with the terms wlw or mlm, but outside of this, they wouldn’t really describe themselves as ‘w’ or ‘m’. It’s also worth mentioning that sappho- and achille/vinciagender people don’t have to be exclusively wlw or mlm. They could also call themselves nblw/m and be attracted to other genders as well.

If I could talk about my experiences as achillegender, I would say that:

If I were ever in a relationship with another achillegender person, it would largely have to do with how “achillean vs diamoric” we considered our relationship. I only find that my connection to maleness becomes relevant/important to me in the context of being attracted to men. My gender doesn’t change, I just kinda...forget that it’s there. So if the person I'm with and I can both agree that the mlm aspect of ourselves is not really present in our relationship, then we would remain seeing each other and ourselves as nonbinary. But it really just depends on the person.