#unredeemable

— Izuku killed one of his bullies when he was young, it was an accident but traumatised him. He asked All Might "Can I still be a hero even when I'm a murderer?" instead of addressing his quirklessness.

— Toshinori is real fucked up, he forced One For All on people and let them explode, then ate their hearts to gain it back. Think Hellflame but even worse.

— The past OFA users also lost their last fuck to give, each time a new vestige comes, they lock them away. What's important is to defeat All For One, others are just casualties. It was Yoichi's idea btw, also One For All corrupts the holder's heart, it's AFO's fault, as it often is.

— Yoichi is actually pretty manipulative, he's using literally all the other users to get revenge on his brother. At the end of the war, he'll probably take over Izuku's body and tell his brother stuff like "Final showdown, huh? It will be your loss this time, big brother." and it'll be then that everyone will realise that they were all just puppets to their brotherly rivalry.

— Inko is negligent. It's not her fault, she's naturally shy, anxious and avoidant so she had to turn a blind eye on her kid's bullying. When Izuku killed someone, she didn't have it in her heart to do anything, she didn't comfort him but didn't punish him either. She just avoided the subject as it makes her anxiety skyrocket.

— Enji is horrible, to make up for it I made him hotter. He abused his kids (yes ALL of them) and wife, he stirs a tight ship. He beat Shouto bloody until he learned to fight back, he locked Touya in a room with no food or water until he stopped disobeying, he did beat Natsuo a few times, Fuyumi had it the easiest with just being belittled constantly. To make up for him being horrible, we (me, myself and I) have decided to give him plumper tits and wider hips (we don't even need to change his waist, look at him), along with a bigger truck because I am constantly horny for that guy, sue me.

— Rei still went insane but she won't accept to see Shouto and actually tried to attack him after pouring boiling water on him. We won't focus on her bc idgaf, but I will give her a better personality than Horikoshi did (we still stan him in this household, fuck you).

— Touya didn't become Dabi, he couldn't go to Sekoto peak as he wasn't allowed outside often (the rest of the siblings too). He works a normal job and lives in the mention still because he still loves his dad despite everything (fucking idiot).

— Katsuki gets away relatively easy, after the murder (they were like seven), Izuku changed school. The crime still traumatised him and he became a bit more introverted and unwilling to bully anyone else, because imagine if that had been him. I'm going easy on him lwk but meh.

— Tenya actually murdered Stain (fuck him) in front of Izuku and the gang (Shouto) which sent both of them (Izu and Tenya) into a spiral. Tenya because he actually took a life, like genuinely did, and Izuku because he got PTSD from seeing the life leave Stain's eyes. He also dislikes Mei, how sad.

— Shouta got affected a LOT by Oboro's death. He became even meaner and more closed off, even with Hizashi. They work together but they try their best to never talk, only Nemuri try to make them talk to each other and since they do like her they accept.

The thing that confuses me is theme wise Akumas are people who are hurt/have been wronged. who feel alone or like that hurt isn't being seen, who then lash out to try to make that hurt seen or help themselves...often in ways that don't make sense logically to us but makes sense to them in the heat of the negative emotions. but the point is these 'villains' are in fact victims. they are people who are hurting and who need help and when you find the core of their problem (represented by an item that often is connected to their problem) and acknowledge it/break it open. then your able to have a chance to actually talk to them/calm them down and give them the help they need.

the show has been pointing to the fact that the 'villains' are victims where in these cases we blame the ones who act like they understand or are there for the victims and who encourage them down bad paths(in this case hawkmoth).

but the show has used Chloe in particular to both have Marinette stand up to someone bad and not let them get away with stuff and shows if your firm about it they aren't unbeatable or that strong. and the show has used Chloe in particular to show as well that people are complex. that even if Mari personally doesn't like someone it doesn't mean they don't have problems and that they might need help seeing how to be better. Marinette went from seeing Chloe as simply evil to seeing how complex Chloe was (and honestly kind of pitiful).

so what I don't understand is if they make chloe completely unredeemable..... If we are supposed to take that at face value...why the HELL should I believe Mari would give Gabriel /hawkmoth a chance or any understanding when Gabe has been terrible all season and been terrible as hawkmoth?

if they invalidate the arc of Chloe which they had been using to teach Mari to reach out to the bad guy because they might be hurting and need help like the victims...why would I believe Mari would reach out to hawkmoth?

even more when WE the audience know that Chloe's downward spiral was a direct plan by Gabriel. hawkmoth isolated Chloe on a rooftop, cut of her line to signal to ladybug literally by cutting the wire to the signal, told her that her parents were targeted because of her, implying that he might keep doing so when she had no way to protect herself since she had understood ladybug saying she couldn't be a hero anymore for her and pollen's safety...just for Chloe to be targeted anyway and for pollen and the other Kwami being stolen and not been properly protected.

like I get why Mari and others think Chloe was just being her entitled self, upset about not being the bee....but WE the audience knows that Chloe only agreed to side with hawkmoth to free her parents who were hostages and because if she didn't he would have kept pollen and the rest...and she had no idea how he'd react if she rejected his offer when she literally couldn't protect herself AND the literally master at manipulating emotions dug directly into her insecurities that he set up with this scenario.

So while I get Mari misunderstanding Chloe at irredeemable.....WE the audience knows better and more about the situation.

it feels even weirder because Chloe's spiraling had a direct parallel to both Adrien and Marinette who relied on old behaviors to cope and distract from their real issues and semi pushed people away to not face those issues. Chloe being worse could work as relying on being mean to cope because THAT is what she knows and is good at. its familiar and she thinks (the literal biggest fan of ladybug) that she probably does feel guilty for what she did...but she can't take it back and burnt that bridge...so Chloe relying on being mean to try to feel a sense of control.

Pretending like she chose to be mean again on her own makes sense.

even more as a contrasting cry for help because Mari had others who would try to reach out to her where we got to see she was covering up her really issues and stress of her guilt of the loss of master fu. while Chloe was able to push everyone away and no one realized Chloe's actions were a cry for help.....

like, on one hand people have to face consequences for their choices...but on the other the show has spent the whole time reminding us that the people acting out are victims and the true villains are the ones who take advantage of their hurt to lead them into further bad actions...which could lead to people not seeing they need help.

why the hell is the show expecting me to hate Chloe and see her as irredeemable when her downfall was a direct plan by Gabriel/hawkmoth and Lila?! like I can understand believing she should know better but she KNOWS no one likes her which means she is vulnerable to emotional manipulation! and she was cornered into that big downfall she thinks she can't come back from since she failed the one person who had given her a chance.

she literally got replaced by her sister Zoey who everyone liked better and who found being nice easy to understand compared to Chloe who struggled and who's best progress came from trying to not disappointed Adrien and her teddy bear!

even more her father was the worst! he's racist, spoils Chloe but never gives her real attention/guidance and her mother literally hates her, thinks she's useless, forgets her name and bad talks her all the time and they going to stick Chloe with her mom who was the literally worst?