#undertale thoughts

The player gives frisk and kris jaundice and also works as a second liver to keep kris alive

EVIDENCE:::

Kris and frisk are yellower in our control (start of chapter 5 and in the corrupted pacifist ending they're less yellow) and kris is kinda green and rotting and dying without the SOUL because (while we jaundice them) we also keep them alive by acting as a second liver.

so y'all know how at the end of the sans fight in undertale he kinda scoots off screen so we don't actually see him turn to dust?

well I was thinking about that and it reminded me of something.

at the end of the berdly fight in snowgrave, noelle basically does the same thing sans does. she leaves even though we're still technically in a battle.

one interesting thing about noelle is that reality just sorta.. malfunctions around her. she has a history with breaking video games and finding glitches.. not to mention that the snowgrave route is literally an example of this.

you're not supposed to be able to kill enemies. but noelle is able to. she can break the rules of the game. the snowgrave route is quite literally called "the weird route". you are straying from a set path, and noelle is the key.

and whaddya know? a huge part of the sans fight is him abusing game mechanics against you. aka.. breaking the rules of the game.

Hmmm, feels like an apt comparison on some level. But also, it's important to remember...

Part of the power of "His Theme" is the way it's saved up to the very end of the game.

Like, we hear "Memory", the music-box version of the theme, a few times before, and it's remixed into several other tracks like "Undertale" and "Finale", but it's only during the emotional climax of the True Pacifist Route that the game reveals the 'actual' Theme.

It's a deliberate inverse to how most Leitmotifs and Themes are used throughout the game. Usually, a theme is introduced on it's own standalone track, and then later important moments are punctuated with farther remixes and references to this track. For example, Alphys' theme plays as a Player first meets Alphys, and later on we get to hear a piano rendition ("She's Playing Piano") and a darker remix of it ("Here We Are").

While one could argue that Asriel's 'basic theme' is actually "Memory" and that "His Theme" is just the orchestral variation of it, I think the song's title leaves little room for doubt as for the intent. This is Asriel's theme, his theme. After hearing little hints and references to it throughout the game, this is when the Player finally gets to actually hear the 'true/original version'. Just like Asriel has been affecting the story since the very beginning, but it's only now that the Player begins to truly understand him, and peel away the layers of villainous posturing to see the real Asriel underneath.

This is such an important part of what makes "His Theme" work so well, that I feel like this is kinda required for anything to be the "His Theme of Deltarune". That if "Lost Girl" is any kind of counterpart to it, that it's less of a direct comparison and more that "Lost Girl" is a remix of a theme we haven't quite gotten to fully hear just yet.

... Okay wait I just realized that by my own logic you can argue the real "His Theme" counterpart in Deltarune is "Feature Presentation" with "HEY EVERY !" being it's 'Memory"

Remembered this line from Chara at the end of genocide and it hit me - what if this was basically our relation between the player and player character across utdr all this time?

Like, we're not possessing these characters directly - we're a guiding force that works in the background and to the in-universe characters we're not really seen at all or barely

Even our "vessels" (idk what's the more proper word for it) like Frisk or Kris probably register us as their conscience nudging them towards certain choices

*it's a photo album.

look through it?

❤yes no

*there's a photo of all your friends from underground

*there's a group photo of sans

you recognize some of the people there.

*there's a photo of him laughing in front of a broken tv

*there's a photo of him behind a cash register

*there's a photo of three people...

and you don't know why...

but they seem...

*familiar...

*after that the album is empty.

*...?!

*there's a note at the last page.

*"don't forget"

my theory regarding undertale, deltarune, and gaster :3

okay so forgive me if it's common knowledge and i just. wasn't aware. but i don't think EVERYONE shares this same idea so ill still toss in what i think regardless

please be aware i could be very much so wrong and missing key details, im simply having fun

okay so. undertale and deltarune are not separate. BUT they also are. yes deltarune is obviously an au of undertale as it reuses the same characters and whatnot but. i think it's an alternate universe in the same canon multiverse. i feel like somehow gaster is hopping around timelines and aus.

it's already clear timeline shenanigans are canon in the undertale universe, sans mentions this in the fight iirc. so why not deltarune as well? and with what i believe regarding the knight (it being a mix of noelle and kris in a fucky time thing) i think it could be canon here as well. and i think gaster has found a way to mess with it.

wether it be literal timeline or au hopping, or there being a fourth wall break where he's IN the coding, i have no idea. maybe both. but gaster losing himself to his work or however it was worded, just makes me think he disappeared INTO it.

and do keep in mind, deltarune existed in toby's head before undertale. he absolutely could've connected the two even back then with the future project (deltarune) in mind. which. would be FUCKING INSANE.

the people in the "don't forget" note, the "darker yet darker" quote, the theme that plays, the colored counterparts of the previously gray characters in undertale- i feel like these two games have been connected since the beginning.