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I mean its hard to imagine Ironwood is just so dumb that he didn't think to try a software updates on Atlas Robots. Buts its hard to parse whether he didn't try, Watts just had a backdoor or the change wasn't good enough to stop Watts. There is just so much details lacking you get in a position as a watcher to insert a whole lot of head canon. Much of it colored by how much you like a character.

Are you sure it’s not you who has it backwards?

It literally states this on Symmetra’s Hero Profile:

[Though she was one of Utopaea's top architechs, the Vishkar Corporation saw far greater potential in Satya's abilities. Giving her the moniker "Symmetra," Vishkar sent her on clandestine missions around the world to uphold its corporate interests and expand its influence into other countries.]  

“Satya Vaswani” is what the world knows her as.  Her “real identity” isn’t some huge secret.  People know who she is on name and her reputation alone.

She’s literally on the covers of magazines.

“Symmetra” is an internal codename in Vishkar.  That’s the point.  Doomfist and Moira aren’t calling her by the name that the entire world knows.

They are calling her by a name only another Vishkar employee - or more specifically, a Vishkar employee who knows she is committing corporate sabotage - knows.

That’s the part that’s informative.

In fact, it is Sombra who is playing her cards close to her chest by acting like she does not know Satya is Symmetra (and vice-versa).  If anything, Sombra is trying to distance herself from Talon here.

And now for the other part.

You seem to have completely misinterpreted my answer from the other day.  Just because Doomfist, Moira, and Widowmaker aren’t able to convince Symmetra and Hanzo to join Talon does not make them bad at persuasion - it literally just means they aren’t able to convince Symmetra and Hanzo to join Talon.  They’ve misread their characters and core personalities.  It happens.  Doomfist in particular appears to have been informed by Sanjay that Satya could be amenable to Talon’s ideologies, but clearly, she is not.  This speaks bigger volumes about Sanjay than it does about Akande.

I do not underestimate Akande and Moira’s intelligences and honestly, I’m a little frustrated that you seem to think I do.  I’ve already said that I think that even if Reaper’s plan works, Akande will still come out the victor.  I’ve also said that I think Moira knows significantly more about Reaper, Sombra, and/or Soldier: 76 than she lets on.

In fact, I find that the constant efforts to make Moira into some “ethically wrong but inherently ‘good’” character to be a total misreading and misinterpretation of her character.  She is one of the smartest characters in the story, and when you have world-class tacticians like Gabriel Reyes and Akande Ogundimu, super intelligent physicists like Winston, and literal medical genius Angela Ziegler in the line-up, then that’s a pretty damn high compliment to Moira’s abilities.

Moira and Akande both know what they want, and they’re not afraid to make truly incredible and ingenious plans to achieve it.  Akande’s war coming to fruition is pretty much the end-game of Arc 1 of Overwatch, to the point where Sombra and/or Reaper’s goals likely won’t “really” matter at all.

Moira and Akande “misreading” Satya’s personality isn’t a flaw on them, but a flaw on Sanjay, who is pretty obviously the one telling them about her.

Well, killing the gods wasn’t a matter of physical might, Duane would tell you, but of inextinguishable Will, Courage, and Cooperation. Ssael was an old man when he was betrayed by his grandson and killed by Gefendur paladins for crimes of heresy, but he had at that point already done all he could do in the flesh. His next battle was beyond the khert, and he had to die to get there.

The great appeal of Ssael among his followers was his leadership. Ssael wasn’t a tyrant or a powermonger but rather a man who wanted everyone around him to be the best person they could be, and he helped them by sharing everything he had, from his home to his vast pymaric discoveries. He wanted humanity to be better. And he depended on humanity to help him in turn. 

When he reached the lair of the gods - it is told - he didn’t storm in with his swordarm swinging. Rather he moved silently among the despairing dead who ringed the outside of the Twins’ domain, boosting their spirits, convincing them to join him in an uprising. Ssael didn’t defeat the gods single-handed but instead as the general of an army. And even now, enthroned, he wants the rest of humanity to join him.

Plenty of Gefendur share your attitude and think the whole Ssael thing is stupid, that he was just some old heretic who was killed and his followers couldn’t accept it so they made up these dumb stories of him killing the gods like some kind of edgelord.

Yeah, it seemed to be the case of him not being interested in his son’s feelings or spending time with him (although behind the scenes, we do se that he definitely loved/cared about his son’s life, in his on way). 

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We’ve already bought our tickets. I’m going with my family and it’s kind of an annual thing at this point, so I’m seeing it opening weekend. 

I wouldn’t call her drunk on power because her power in itself is legitimate, but I do agree from the available information that she has some serious unexamined biases. If the rumors are true two different directors had to go against her to cast nonwhite actors, which is worrying.

In my experience, the only franchises that have pulled off the “Next Gen” concept well are Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and Yu-Gi-Oh.