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I HAVE FINALLY POSTED THE THING TO AO3
(working title, might be changed later)
premise:
immediately post s2 finale, after my fic that is _immediately_ immediately after it. Lilith has not called Charlie yet.
slice of life soap opera: nobody permadies, but a few people might at some points wish they did
the most insane multiship i can cram into a single timeline, and trust me, I am _creative_ with that. Welcome to hell, Alastor!
doing my best to treat serious subjects with the gravity they deserve, but this is still ultimately a fic, so yknow. sensitivity readers feel free to volunteer?
this is _mostly_ not a pornfic, but uh. regenerating immortal demon kink will be had. mind the tags, and check them for updates when i post a new chapter, okay?
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CARDiac, syntax coloring, view source and vibe code
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In the mid-1970s, my dad – then a budding computer scientist, subsequently a math teacher – brought home my first computer: the CARDiac, a Turing-complete, all-cardboard papercraft computer that you could write and execute programs on:
CARDiac stands for "CARDboard Illustrative Aid to Computation," and it was created in 1968 at Bell Labs as a way to teach high schoolers how computers worked. I wasn't anywhere near high school age (I think I was in third grade?) but the CARDiac was revelatory. The year before, I'd had access to a teletype terminal and acoustic coupler that let me operate a PDP machine at the University of Toronto, and I'd been endlessly fascinated with the possibilities. I wrote simple BASIC programs, chatted with ELIZA, and messaged other system users, one keystroke at a time, all on paper (the terminal didn't have a screen, just a printer, and we fed it 1,000' rolls of paper towels my mom brought home from her kindergarten classroom, which I then rolled back up so she could put them back in the bathroom for the kids to dry their hands on).
Interacting with a computer in real-time was captivating, but it wasn't until I assembled and used the CARDiac that it all snapped into place. With the CARDiac, you composed simple programs with pencil and paper, then followed instructions that directed you to move paper tokens in and out of various slots representing memory cells and an accumulator. All an electronic computer does is repeat these crude mechanical operations, millions of times per second, using microscopic transistors. None of that action can be observed with the naked eye, of course. If you had a very sensitive multimeter and a very good microscope, it's conceivable that you could indirectly watch this intricate dance, but only on very early processors, and only if you drastically slowed down their operations.
Much later, I learned a word for what I got from the CARDiac: legibility. Together, the CARDiac and I made a working digital computer, with me standing in for the physics that propels electrons down the endless labyrinth of a microchip, like a pinball triggering various blooping, beeping bumpers. Though the computing we performed was sub-trivial (adding one and one was a major undertaking!), the physical performance of that computing imbued me with Fingerspitzengefühl ("fingertip feeling"):
This stood me in great stead in the years to come. To this day, when I think about my computer, I sometimes imagine those little cardboard tokens, shuffling in and out of the slits in my paper CARDiac. There's something very reassuring about this imagery. No matter how many levels of abstraction sit between me and the nanoscale transistors ranked in their billions beneath my fingertips, they are all undertaking those familiar operations I painstakingly performed on my child's desk all those years ago.
(This is one of the things that makes Science Comics Computers: How Digital Hardware Works such an amazing kids' book! By illustrating how a computer's operations are built up from simple boolean logic that can be represented as physical switches, the comic performs that same legibilizing magic that I got from the CARDiac:)
Not long after my CARDiac experience, my dad brought home an Apple ][+, which came with a schematic that revealed the inner workings of the machine in ways that I found visually striking, if significantly less accessible than the CARDiac:
(For me, at least. For the legendary hardware hacker Andrew "bunnie" Huang, it was the start of a journey that turned him into one of the world's virtuoso reverse-engineers and science communicators):
The Apple ][+ did very little when you took it out of the box. It came with a few floppies' worth of demo programs, and we bought a few more down at the local computer store, but most of the programs I ended up using with that machine were ones I typed in myself, from magazines I bought at the corner store (I spent half my magazine budget on Cracked, Mad and Crazy, the other half on computer magazines full of BASIC program listings).
Typing in a program, keystroke by keystroke, was another Fingerspitzengefühl-generating exercise. I wasn't much of a typist, so it was slow going, and of course I made a lot of typos. What's more, BASIC had already fragmented into several dialects by this point, so even a correctly typed program could fail to run until it had been adapted for the BASIC that shipped with the computer. Getting a program to run on my computer required me to hone my typing skills, but even more so, my problem solving skills.
After months of this, I (re-)invented the debugger, from first principles, coming up with lots of little tricks and gimmicks (many of them horribly inefficient) for identifying and solving my programs' errors. In later years, I had lots of opportunity to work with real debuggers, created and maintained by trained programmers who'd forgotten more than I would ever know about writing code, and my own cack-handed efforts to build my own version of their tools conferred a confidence and intuitive understanding that I could not have achieved otherwise. Figuring out the need for a debugger and then rolling my own (crude, inefficient) one made all debuggers more legible to me.
I think that "legibility" is an underrated trait. If a system is legible to you, then you have a superior basis for understanding it, improving it, and making it work again when it breaks down.
There's an old joke that goes, "physics is applied math; chemistry is applied physics, and biology is applied chemistry" (I've also heard versions that start with "math is applied philosophy" and carry on to "sociology is applied biology," etc). While this isn't entirely true, there's something profound in it: we understand and manipulate our complex reality by wrapping it in abstractions that package up a writhing, shuffling, vibrating machine inside a smooth, serene membrane with a sturdy and easily grasped handle. You could do chemistry using the tools of physics, but it would take hours to perform the kind of calculations a chemist does in seconds (just as it takes an eternity to add one and one with a CARDiac).
Nevertheless, there are times when it is useful for a biologist to think about chemical processes, and for a chemist to think about interactions at the level of physics, and for a physicist to do math. The membrane and the handle are essential, but sometimes you have to decap the sealed package and inspect and manipulate its internals directly. Problem solving, improvement and maintenance all require the ability to move up and down the stack of abstractions to figure out where to stick your probes and stage your interventions.
This is where legibility comes in. Interacting with physical processes improves your mental model. In Broad Band (a magisterial history of women in computing), Claire Evans talks about how the first programmers were women who did the "unskilled" labor of physically cabling components together, developing powerful Fingerspitzengefühl, with such high-fidelity, trans-abstraction mental models of the machines' operations that they became the world's best programmers and debuggers:
My early adventures in programming were so powerful and instructive because nearly all the programs I interacted with on my Apple ][+ were written in BASIC (not just the ones I keyed in, but also the demo software and much of the packaged software we bought). That meant that I could get a listing of any program I was using, peeling open the membrane to look at the machinery underneath. I could even laboriously trace the operations of that program using my toy debugger. This, too, was legibility: the ability to flip between the effects of the running code, and the instructions themselves (and then to mentally map those instructions onto the movement of cardboard tokens in my CARDiac).
This affordance was repeated later on the early web, thanks to the "View Source" function that came built into every browser, acting as a velcro tab for the membrane that separated rendered web pages from their underlying instructions. In my early years as a web developer, I copied, pasted, adapted, probed and traced HTML in ways that would have been instantly recognizable to the younger me, keying in those BASIC programs and ripping apart the commercial software on my computer.
I read somewhere that the Bell Labs scientists who created the CARDiac were worried that, thanks to transistorization, the next generation of programmers wouldn't understand the physical, material processes that unfolded when their programs ran, and that this would mean a loss of legibility and intuition and Fingerspitzengefühl. I can't track down the reference now, but it stuck with me, because the CARDiac is such a perfect way of preserving those virtues.
Modern computer science curriculum includes some chip design for just this reason (just as chemists study physics and biologists study chemistry). But there are plenty of programmers – better programmers than I ever was or will be – who taught themselves and never had a CARDiac or gave much thought to chip design. They work at different layers of abstraction and in different ways to solve different problems. Maybe they could improve their art by tinkering with FPGAs, but there's always something even the most skilled artisan can do to round out and incrementally improve their craft.
In the same way, there are plenty of programmers – better ones than I ever was or will be – whose journey started at higher abstraction layers than a teletype terminal or a CARDiac. Maybe they started with a browser's View Source, teasing apart other people's Javascript to create weird Myspace customizations. Maybe they tweaked a programmable block in Minecraft. Maybe they modded a Scratch game. Or maybe they recorded macros using Applescript or Hypercard or Visual Basic to automate a routine task, only to later open up the source code generated by the macro recorder to make fine adjustments.
Whether you're pasting source from Stack Overflow or recording a macro in Excel, you are just one operation away from unwrapping the membrane and exposing the code beneath it. And with the modern internet, with Wikipedia, with endless tutorial videos, you are one further operation from penetrating the high level code to get at the code beneath it, and the code beneath that, and the code beneath that, all the way down to the bare metal.
Which brings me to vibe coding. As I've written, there's a world of difference between writing code for production and writing "personal software" that solves a problem you have. Whatever deficits that code has (due to the fact that you're not a skilled programmer) are offset by the fact that you're the one making the tool (which means your needs aren't lossily filtered through a programmer's understanding of those needs):
There's nothing wrong with code that solves your problem, even if you don't know how that code works, even if it breaks in a couple of years, even if no one else could maintain, extend or debug that code. Personal software is fundamentally different from software made to be used and maintained by others:
Higher-level abstractions are necessary. Moving tokens between the slits in a CARDiac is a powerful exercise, but eventually you want to do something more substantial than adding one and one, and so you need to package up the mechanics of computing inside a membrane with an easily grasped handle (knowing that you can always open the membrane if need be).
The more automated code you generate – macros, pasted Javascript, Minecraft blocks – the greater the likelihood that you will be failed by a readymade, prefab component. At that point, you have means, motive and opportunity to open the membrane and start tinkering with the internals, and every time you do, you have a better chance of making a realization that improves your grasp on the whole system.
Automated code – whether from an LLM, View Source, Stack Overflow, or a macro recorder – is the top of a funnel. Many – most – of the people who enter the funnel won't slip further down the abstraction chute. They'll solve their problem (a virtue unto itself!) and move on. But the more people we put at the top of the funnel, the more chances our civilization gets to produce another skilled artisan who understands and can improve, iterate and repair the code the rest of us use.
Same but with beading. I can instantly tell when a pattern is AI-generated because I've built an intuition of how different beads fit together in 3D space.
Right on with the computing piece and the crafting comments. Both knitting and sewing did this for me, and I didn't have a word for it until now. And I'm going to look for that kids' book!
This is definitely the appeal of vibe coding. When most of the code is plain English and Markdown, and the rest is just a bit of python, everything becomes instantly clear. With manual coding my experience has always been that I have to
Figure out the correct name for the thing I want to make
Figure out what language is best for it
Read a bunch of documentation
Figure out the mathematical pattern needed to make the thing that does what I want
Make the thing that does what I want
Do the thing I want
Debug
Debug more
Jesus Christ I just made more bugs
Finally, it runs
Unexpected error: (a bunch of numbers I have to google)
Debug more
Eventually, hopefully, have an output, or more commonly,
Realise the thing I wanted to do wasn't worth this amount of effort
The thing that makes vibe coding appealing is that you get to start from step 6. Which, when you're used to always end in step 14, sure feels like a push in productivity.
Thinking about a med student who was killed yesterday by russian bomb in Kharkiv with her graduation robe and cap lying next to her. She was supposed to have a graduation ceremony today.
Her friend, Nani Adaobi Merian, a Nigerian graduate, also died from her injuries in the hospital. Another life destroyed by russians that will never be talked about by anyone except Ukrainians, because the whole world has normalized the fact that russians can kill as many people as they want and and has become numb to it.
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I don't know who needs to hear this but you need to stop dehumanising people even if those people are "abusers" or "creeps" because you need to understand that you are not immune to doing something equally as bad
Abusers and creeps are not some species of especially heinous animal or alien or monster wearing the face of a human. They're people. And you NEED to drill it into your head that they are people because you NEED to remember that people are capable of doingn heinous shit. And you are a person. And your loved ones are people.
By emotionally classifying people who have done heinous things as subhuman filth incapable of thinking and feeling and acting just like you and me, and by using that emotional dehumanization as a reason to deny those people any compassion or support on a systemic level, you risk becoming blind to abuse/violence perpetrated by someone close to you or even yourself. Because if "abusers don't deserve rights", then you won't ever want to admit or accept that you or a loved one is perpetrating abuse, and that makes stopping the abuse or preventing further abuse much harder. This is how you end up excuaing abusive behaviour on the grounds that, since you don't see someone as a disgusting subhuman pile of garbage therefore they can't possibly be An Abuser, Trademark
And here'a the even harder pill to swallow: since the world isn't split into "abusers" and "good people", in the same way you or someone you love can inflict abuse/violence on others, the people who HAVE inflicted abuse/violence on others can, in fact, change and become better people
There is no bottomless chasm of moral uncleanliness that someone can run off and fall into and get stuck in forever. People can do better. Yes, even those people. You HAVE to accept this. Otherwise not only is there no motivation for anyone to try and do better (which is when people become stuck in a cycle of violence and abuse they don't want to escape), but your idea of a perfect justice system doesn't look any different from Literal Christian Hell. And I HOPE you understand that Literal Christian Hell is, to put it very lightly, not a good justice system.
It's been months, and I'm still not over the fact that Husk was the first sinner to step forward and offer his help during Hear My Hope. Like, practically, I understand that it was to introduce his bass vocals into the song sooner, but in universe, there's just something so tasty about a self-proclaimed dead inside cynic who claimed to have lost the ability to love a long time ago when we first met him be the first to sing about keeping hope alive in order to protect the ones he loves.
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What do you think Vox thinks of Charlie? I can't quite make up my mind. On the one hand, he seems to regard her as a naive idiot. On the other hand, he seems to genuinely want her to think he's cool (he made that collage where she cheers for him atop the Might of Lilith *before* he invited her to his party, and her face was alongside Alastor and Lucifer in the staircase of people he was mad at for doubting him). He also seemed oddly emotional when he brought up her mom to bash her, like he was projecting on her. Maybe he was mad at her for seeing him as redeemable? And he focused on her at the party, even above Alastor for once, but he was more pulling her pigtails than actually bashing her there.
So I do have an answer, but it's going to take some explaining.
In S1 he definitely thinks she's a naive idiot, but even then, he's showing a degree of interest in her, and it seems to be entirely about her; it's not just because Alastor is helping her for unknown reasons. It catches his attention when Valentino mentions that Angel is with her, he refers to her as "little miss bleeding heart", and he even directs a comment at her while watching the hotel crew prepare for the Exorcists' attack ("Oh, looks like your little hotel didn't work out so well"). It could just be that he, like most sinners, is offended by her idea of "saving" them, but with the added context of S2 it feels almost personal to me.
It's also worth mentioning that Vox actually didn't think Alastor was helping her at first. As soon as he calmed down from the revelation of Alastor's return, his primary concern was keeping the two of them from making a deal, which implies that he assumed Alastor's interest was entirely self-serving. So his own initial interest in her wasn't due to jealousy.
That does seem to have changed by S2, since one of his questions to Alastor is "what makes the princess and her crappy little hotel so great that the Radio Demon gives up what little dignity he had left to help out with it". But he also immediately drops that line of thought to pursue a different one, so it doesn't seem like he really cared about the answer. Or he only brought it up as a jab against Mr. Never Helps Anyone, or he was just thinking aloud and came up with something else he was more interested in. Whatever it was, Alastor helping her doesn't seem to be a pressing concern, so I think most of Vox's own interest in her really is about her.
And that interest does seem oddly personal. Because when he goes to Valentino to borrow Angel, he laughingly declares that "the next part of my plan is gonna make the princess kill herself". And the next part that Charlie actually finds out about involves having Angel speak out against the hotel and side with the Vees on live TV. It's one of the few things Vox does towards the end of S2 that isn't even tangentially connected to Alastor, and it is targeted.
At this point in time, Charlie has never done anything to him except bring angels to his rally (which worked in his favor), force him to leave her property, and imply that he could be redeemed. And the only other thing she's done that he might have taken offense to is open the hotel in the first place. He has no immediately obvious reason to want to hurt her specifically, but he clearly does.
And now I need to take a detour to talk about Lilith, because there are some things that have been bothering me for a while. Specifically, the way Vox talks about her, the people he talks about her to, and some of the things he says.
First, he makes the very bold claim, in front of Lilith's husband, that she threatened Heaven. And while Lucifer does react, it's nothing compared to later on when Vox brings up that she's not around anymore. It's hard to say if Vox lied, or if Lucifer just dislikes this insolent mortal talking about his wife.
Lucifer also reacts to "Meanwhile this king thinks all of us peasants should be satisfied with an endless existence of suffering"; his glare actually softens, and he makes his only attempt to interrupt and argue, in spite of his well known (to the viewers) hatred of sinners. This line isn't about Lilith, but it does strike a nerve, possibly because it sounds like something she would have said.
Later, Vox talks about Lilith's desire to attack Heaven while trying to convince Carmilla to help him, and makes his first assertion that he's trying to finish what she started. It's a bit of an "as you know" moment, but it's also a really bad time to lie so brazenly, because it's just asking Carmilla to call him out and turn him down. So either he's not lying, or he knows she doesn't pay much attention to Hell's politics and feels safe making such claims.
He even presents himself as taking up Lilith's cause to Alastor, albeit in a context where he might be talking about the spin he'd put on it ("Just imagine it, a member of the royal family endorsing me as I finish what her mother started"). At minimum, he's very attached to this idea, and he might even believe it on some level, whether because he's gotten lost in his own lies or because he actually interprets Lilith's message the way he's been talking about it.
My takeaway from the scene where he compares Charlie to Lilith, even on my first viewing, was that he hadn't just been using Lilith's cause to further his own goals; to me, it felt like he genuinely respected her as a leader.
And I've only become more convinced of that over time. Because here is Vox, who hates sharing the spotlight and sometimes struggles to do so even with his closest friends, and he's tying his cause inextricably to Lilith's. He takes up her slogan. He repeatedly talks about finishing what she started. He names his doomsday weapon after her. He might have even paid enough attention to her campaign to use her talking points, if Lucifer's reaction to the "endless existence of suffering" comment was because it reminded him of her.
And then there is Charlie, "leading her friends into disaster". Unable to win over a crowd on her own. Her confidence easily shaken. Wanting to help sinners, but in a way that requires them to change. A pale imitation of her mother.
I think Vox's interest in Charlie feels so personal because she is Lilith's daughter, and he sees enough of her mother in her that he wants her to be her mother. But she's not, and he's upset about it.
He attacks the hotel well beyond what's necessary because of what it represents. He goes out of his way to hurt Charlie with Angel because he has something against her specifically. And he absolutely doesn't want to be told that he could be redeemed, because that means she thinks he could be someone better, and it puts the pressure on him to actually do it. Which, I think, is why her face was on the staircase; she didn't try to tear him down like Alastor and Lucifer did, but her vote of confidence triggered similar feelings of being judged and blamed.
But. I also think his interest in her is similar to his interest in Alastor, in that he sees the potential for something more, and part of him wants to pursue it. Because he knows some of what she's capable of. If he kept the focus on Adam after Alastor fled, he would have seen her trying to fight him, and "risking [her] immortal life for sinners". She stood up against Vox himself after being pushed the right way.
Something else that strikes me as odd is that Vox really doesn't try very hard to stop her from giving her presentation. After his attempt to kick Baxter out of the system fails, he just sits there and lets her talk for an on-screen minimum of forty seconds before he tries to interrupt. And the only explanation I can come up with is that curiosity got the best of him; maybe not so much about what she had to say, but about how she'd handle herself in front of a crowd when it was on her own terms.
In summary: I think he judges her harshly for perceived shortcomings because he's comparing her to her mother, whom he respected, and because he really doesn't like this redemption nonsense. Possibly to the point of feeling personally attacked. But he's also caught a glimpse of what she could be, and I think he kind of wants to take her under his wing. He's already spent decades helping two younger Overlords grow their power and influence, and he's still looking after them even though they can take care of themselves now. It would be entirely in character for him to see the kind of potential Charlie has and be drawn to it, even if it's made more complicated by his other feelings about her.
god i just dont get why cool awesome artists keep drawing human!Alastor with that fuckass little moustache. its ugly. im not sorry for saying that. its not your art. i love your art. i have not seen a single image of Alastor with the fuckass little moustache where it didnt look awful on him and he didnt look awful with it
(sincerely, a fuckass bob enjoyer. its different okay)
I love this moment for how it reinforces this idea I have that the Morningstars ARE actively tormenting the souls but cruel part is that they really aren't trying to. Like Lucifer's lack of involvement means humans cause their own horrible systems and this makes him the BEST possible devil that could be placed in hell - he does simply allow them to be executed. (Lucifer, the maker of life and creator of creations who cared so much, passively let those creations be destroyed....)
If heaven supported Charlie's existence and helped support her from the start her failings wouldn't be as frustrating. We know how insane it is to push Angel into doing anything with Vox and it's one of the moments that helps reveal that Husk's perspective on Alastor abilities and his willingness to trust someone like Charlie so easily is why he's such an easy mark for someone like Alastor. Niffty and Husk are red-herrings to each other, he's the sweet one who is getting baby sibling privileges and she's the one that will kill you without hesitation. There is more going on with them but Husk just keeps having ppl assume he is a harder, meaner person than he shows himself to be.
People struggle to deal with characters who get your hopes up and can't keep their own end of the deal and Charlie is distracted for personal reasons so it makes sense that people lost their minds cause the human's lives are in real constant danger. But Charlie is basically an immortal nepo-baby with NO purpose. Emily is JOY itself and has Sera to guide her and the structure of heaven is built to support her job - she doesn't have to create a place to do it and hope it works. It just isn't fair to tell Charlie she should be told no or she needs to be hurt or humbled because she hurt herself through a thousand nos before anyone else believed the humans could be saved.
She is not able to compensate for her character or lack of lived experiences but she also doesn't matter to the universe in the same way everyone else does. Lucifer and Lilith made her and she will be in hell for all time and she is nothing to no one except them. I truly feel like she is the spirit of forgiveness and mercy itself - as that is what Lucifer and Lilith likely needed and her birth symbolically reflects that they deserve - but she is just meant to be around forever. Her parents problems ARE her world and she is just as clueless as when she and Vaggi where throwing those fuckers off buildings in season one to bond (she did try and stop that) but the point is she literally CAN'T understand the people she WANTS to help and so she is constantly able to do so much damage to them.
There is a duality to Charlie's hotel that people don't wanna let be there: it is GOOD and it is BAD at the same time. In S2 E1, people think the hotel is lame and then they leave and get fucked up and some of them come back because its fucking hell and maybe the fact that anyone would try and offer some safety is a huge deal for anyone vulnerable. It is bad because as we see at the end of S2E8 people like Angel will be trapped in emotional, physical, and mental dynamics that prevent them from even making it to help as well as things like Vox's mind control literally taking away their ability to have free will. Charlie's system operates on CHOICE because the immortals believe that human choice and free will is the key their fate but free will isn't as simple as just doing what you think is right. I think Alastor's whole character will prove that free will is a lot more complicated than immortals think it is.
In the anime Death Parade (12 episode masterpiece) they explore the idea of an angel not being able to understand the human soul it judges a lot and from a lot of complex angels and I think it's almost an extension of Lucifer's punishment that Charlie realizes saving the humans is the right thing to do and something she must push for at all costs despite the fact that out of EVERY OUT CREATURE IN ALL OF THE SHOW Charlie has been the least amount of places. She's unlike the other sinners in hell as she doesn't know the same fears and pains and needs and she's unlike any of the heaven fallen. She's is a hellborn whose father hates and idolizes heaven and whose mother resents and dreams for humanity but she has more in common with Loona but with none of the culture. She doesn't seem to have a relationship with fucking hellborns!! It's so sad. Charlie could take a season off and work for Blitz and it would literally heal most of her issues, honey those are your people!
I can't take it, it's just so good. Angel Dust is the one who is being harmed emotionally and physiologically here and specially because he though these two people would be more protective of him and in both cases they were not as wise as they seemed. Husk also regresses cause he fails and embarrasses himself and Angel is on his way out the moment Vox walked in that door.
But Charlie is ALSO a tragic character here because her need to be SEEN and LIKED by hell is the most human thing about her and it's her pride that literally keeps getting in her way. In S1 they tell you she's avoiding her daddy issues but her indirect way of trying to bring her mom back by proving she can be a good leader for hell (and then she ends up on TV saying another sinner is stronger than her mother....) makes her think this risk is worth it. Imagine you are in hell and your survival comes down to the fact that one immortal personally thinks you deserve it and you just gotta hope she can achieve it. It's crazy how Charlie can't save the humans if they don't save her - or if she doesn't save herself first.
Her wants for acceptance and willingness from others aren't really at odds with her other core wants and needs to actually help Angel Dust. The news in hell has been Charlie's media her own life, she literally doesn't get the obvious manipulative stuff Vaggi keeps telling her VoxTex is doing because she thinks people will change their mind if they know they truth when it wasn't rational for half those fools to be walking away in the first place.
I feel like you can tell a set up is perfect when the person who would feel the WORST about they mistake they are making is the core reason the mistake is caused. It's why Angel is quick to forgive Charlie in S1 when she arrives at his job. He KNOWS she only wants to help but in S2 he starts to take Charlie's failures as a reflection of his inability to belong. She's focused on Sir Pen - who made it - and we know Sir Pen already made Angel feel like he wasn't suited for change. Charlie causes Angel to leave the hotel and she's falling face first into traps of the person who is taking his free will and compounding his abuse. Putting someone in a position of power when they don't understand can cause so much harm but Charlie isn't taking the position of helping humans for a selfish reason. Even though she wants her mother's approval, she clearly believes that everyone can be redeemed and should be helped and those are her true core values. She simply isn't suited, trained, or able to do many of the tasks involved in her goal and it wasn't until she ended up ( IN HER MIND ) failing so bad Sir Pentious was killed that heaven even tried to start helping her.
Charlie is also being punished in hell by becoming the gear that destroys the exact people she wants to save. Just as her father is punished for his unwillingness to face issues being the exact thing that lets them consume his world and the sinners are punished by being their own worst fates. And like all things, it still makes it worse for Angel Dust because Charlie dangles hope that is constantly told to him can be achieved simply by wanting to change bad enough when what he needs is to not be beaten and mind controlled in motels after working endlessly jobs and eating cigarettes. Even though Charlie only knows hell, she's a princess who is not physically suffering the plights of humanity in the same way and we actually keep being shown how badly immortals like Lute and Charlie react when they do lose loved ones. Charlie has never and may not even be able to experience hunger.
Mind you...Vox is giggling back at the tower cause his HOPE is to make her KILL herself and she is throwing everything precious and vulnerable into the fire because SHE thinks she just needs to work hard enough. She also hates herself and sees her lack of purpose as a reflection of why she is alone and she keeps trying to MAKE herself suddenly figure it out.
I think despite how low Angel's situation is at the end of S2, the reason why it still feels hopeful is because Charlie can finally do her job with the full support of heaven and a functional system is now in place. Charlie got the doors open and she got the rules of the system changed and it isn't fair to her or Angel Dust that he should be the one who pays the price. Heaven watched Angel Dust be dragged and knocked to the ground for protecting Niffty from Valentino and they still said he deserved to be there because they thought the rules shouldn't be questioned.
Charlie's whole argument that pulled Emily to her side in the first place was based on the fact that Angel Dust kept trying to do good despite how every single choice he faced was harder than everyone else's. They don't NEED to drink in heaven. Angel doesn't see Charlie literally showing heaven itself him fighting his abuser and he also doesn't see how he is the reason Cherri Bomb and Husk are healing at the hotel. Both Angel Dust and Charlie's narrative is getting to the point where them trying hard enough isn't enough and it is the system that needs to move out of there way.
Another thing that connects Angel Dust and Charlie is their hidden power. Charlie's make sense: her father's downfall is all about him misusing his power so she treats her like a taboo and already dislikes hurting others. Angel has been convinced he isn't strong while doing every job and hell and taking nonstop abuse. I think that once he is able to escape his mental chains he is literally going to destroy the tower and every fool in it. Between Charlie not saying sorry to Vaggi and Angel losing the hotel, I feel like the story between Angel and Charlie has been building to something that will truly challenge them both.
I just really like that Charlie's story is about trying to help people and being bad it while Angel's is about being a good person despite the entire world trying to tell you that you're not. People are vastly more forgiving for a characters that are intentionally hateful who have passive good qualities than they are of people who struggle and both of these characters get picked apart by the world for that reason.
Angel Dust deserves an entire episode where he is allowed to crash out consequence free.
(Reposting this from bluesky because I love overanalyzing fictional characters for the sake of my own headcanons.)
Finally making my big ol post about Angel’s eating disorder, Val’s enabling, and weight gain as recovery for my sweet spider boy ❤️
This is mostly headcanons based off canon/semi-canon stuff
TW for EDs and Valangel-typical stuff
So most of my ideas around Angel revolve around him having some kind of restrictive disorder that’s a direct result of the loss of control from his contract. It’s not about the actual weight in his eyes (although that’s a part too, I’ll get into that later), it’s more about him any control over his body that he can get.
In Val’s eyes, controlling Angel’s weight is entirely about appearance. He needs Angel to look as physically attractive as possible. This is heavily hinted at in old voxtagram posts, the weight watchers one obviously, but also Val refusing to get Angel food, and Husk getting it for him.
(Also kinda unrelated but Vox threatening Val with the same thing he does to Angel. Love a pattern.)
A previous post I made on it:
Moving into to the show itself, we have the obvious example: his three cigarettes for lunch line, where he tries to play it off as lighthearted. We have his line about trying to break himself enough so that Val will let him go, self destruction is a big part of Angel’s coping.
I also want to bring up Angel’s love of popsicles (I KNOW it’s just there a dick joke but bear with me here), because flavored ice is very low calorie but also it’s at least consuming *something*. No wonder he likes them, they’re a sweet treat that Val won’t get mad about.
And with Angel’s drug use and drinking, it’s easy to forget you’re hungry if you can’t think to begin with, and I can’t imagine he’s up for food when he’s hungover or coming down from a high.
Then, we have Angel’s physical appearance. This one’s a bit weird because animation is not super consistent and varies depending on angles and cartoon physics. However, Angel has considerably more curves in season 2 than at any point in season 1
And considering we know he was spending more time at the hotel by season 2 and actually participating in Charlie’s redemption exercises, it makes perfect sense that he was actually putting effort into taking care of himself. And then we see his art on the 2026 pride merch and he’s TINY again.
Most recently, we also had this little blurb from the bar book which also references Angel’s disordered eating habits.
Anyway, all of this to say, I hope this plays a part in Angel’s recovery journey. I hope he gets to keep his curvy little hips and thighs as physical proof of stopping his self destructive habits when he makes his way back to the hotel. I love seeing the old voxtagram posts (even though they’re not technically canon) of Husk and Cherri bringing him snacks and making sure he’s at least somewhat taking care of himself.
I may add to this later if I find other old lore stuff or when we get more seasons!
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I've seen a lot of interpretations of the flashback at the bar with Alastor and Vox, and it's fascinating to me how many people take Vox's side here.
This scene resonated with me so incredibly deeply. I felt seen and understood, and seeing the wider fandom response to it has been somewhat discouraging. Like, I get that everyone has different experiences, and that will color our interpretations of media, but Vox is really the far less interesting character to focus on in this scene.
Media is so oversaturated with amatonormativity and plots dealing with romantic rejection. It's Alastor's perspective that brings something new and interesting and thought-provoking. It's the aroace perspective, a specific aroace perspective, which I never really see.
So often, allonormative pressures lead aspec narratives towards internal, self-loathing angst: "Am I broken?" "Am I even human?" "Am I worthy of love?" "Am I doomed to eternal loneliness?"
While these sorts of narratives are interesting, and explore real issues that aspecs face as a result of allonormativity, compulsory sexuality, amatonormativity, etc., it can also feel a bit depressing. Sometimes, I just want to feel good about being aroace. I want to see the positives. I want to see aroace struggles that aren't fundamentally rooted in internalized aphobia.
And that is exactly what Alastor offers. That's part of why I'm so drawn to him. It's what makes his and Vox's dynamic so interesting to me. They had a falling out that is connected to Alastor's being aroace, but any regrets that Alastor might have are not a result of internalized aphobia or allonormativity.
And it pains me to see so many people villainize Alastor because of the bar scene, when it was something that I personally related to so much.
Story time:
My sophomore year of college, I knew that I was ace, but not aro. Internalized arophobia and amatonormativity had me convinced that I was alloace (and also that I was just sex-indifferent). I planned to date, get married, and eventually have sex purely to please my partner. Surely I was only uncomfortable with the idea of dating because the one date I went on in high school was with a guy who turned out to be a total creep, right? Surely I was only uncomfortable with sex because no one discussed it, and I just had to get used to it, right? I also assumed at the time that I was a cis woman.
That's the stage of my self-discovery I was at when one of my closest friends asked me out on a date.
I've dealt with pretty severe anxiety for my entire life, but that was my first ever full-blown panic attack.
Thankfully, he asked me out via text, so my friend did not see or hear my panic, but I knew then and there that I never wanted to date. Not him, not anyone, not ever.
My friend was wonderful, truly. If there was ever a "the one" for me, I would have expected it to be him. But when he asked me out, that made the idea of dating real in a way it never had been to me before, and it filled me with complete and utter revulsion. I remember sobbing on the phone with my mom, terrified about what this meant. What kind of life would I lead? Was there something wrong with me?
With my mom's help, I politely rejected the friend's advances, and he was very kind and understanding, and we were able to remain good friends.
Happy ending, right?
Well, it could have been, but my friend still had a crush on me. I think he tried to bury his feelings and preserve what we had, but he either couldn't or wouldn't. For two years, we remained friends, classmates, and coworkers, but I grew more and more uncomfortable around him, and the distance between us slowly grew.
He just kept making these little comments that made my skin crawl. Harmless things, really, but as I came to realize that I was a romance-averse aromantic, those comments became a violation of boundaries that I tried to set repeatedly.
I'd tell him things like: "I love hearing about my sister and her boyfriend, I just hate thinking about myself in a relationship like that," or "Romance is great for other people, but when it's connected to me, it just makes me uncomfortable."
But his little comments never stopped, and it began to feel like a violation of my trust. I had opened up to him in a way I had previously only opened up to my best friend since third grade. I had made it clear I didn't like being connected to romantic scenarios, but he didn't stop.
"I hope I marry someone who gets me like you do." "I want my wife to be just as smart and pretty as you." "You know, we're always on the same page with stuff, and I really want it to be like that when I get married."
(I also didn't even realize for years afterwards that being associated with gendered terms like "wife" was even more uncomfortable because I'm not a cis woman).
He kept saying this stuff, even when I made it clear I was uncomfortable. But I was passive, not assertive. And over the course of another year, I quit talking to him. I just couldn't do it anymore.
To this day, I regret how things went, but once he developed that crush on me, we were no longer compatible friends. If he could have kept it to himself, let those feelings fade, maybe we could have still been friends. But it was like he took this amazing friendship we had, and poisoned it with romance, until it withered away and died.
If I had ended our friendship cleanly, instead of letting it drag on for years like that, I could have spared us both years of frustration. Sometimes, it feels like every single step I made was the wrong one. I genuinely mourn the loss of our friendship, but in the end, I don't know what I could have done to try and save it.
The only thing I know would have changed things would be to do what Alastor did. Abandon the sinking ship instead of clinging to it and nearly drowning.
So when I see people sympathize solely with Vox, it makes me feel alienated. When I first saw that scene, I thought: "Finally, something that might make people understand this struggle, at least a little bit. Something that make them see the betrayal and the heartache and the nuance of this sort of thing."
And instead, I see people demonizing Alastor, flattening this complex situation of two flawed, fundamentally incompatible people into one with a pure evil villain and a perfectly innocent victim. And what they imply in doing this is that Vox, the one who is consistently violating boundaries, pushing too hard, asking something the other person doesn't want to or can't give, and betraying the trust place in him, is completely innocent in all this. They act as though all of his actions are totally justified because of love, and that sickens me. Romantic consent should be weighed much more than it is. I don't care what Vox's feelings for Alastor were in the bar scene. He's still responsible for his own actions.
I personally don't take issue with Alastor's handling of the situation, because betrayal and violation of boundaries shouldn't have to be put up with. If someone is being creepy and pushy, you have every right to tell them, in no uncertain terms, to fuck off. If they're going to disrespect you and your boundaries, they forfeit all rights to being respected themselves.
But, even if you want to criticize Alastor's handling of it all, Vox is still in the wrong also.
So, all of that being said, here's how I read the scene: Alastor and Vox are relaxing at the bar, and this seems to be something they do at least somewhat regularly. Alastor seems to see Vox as his drinking buddy, and that's it. Not his friend, not his partner, just his drinking buddy. And he was happy with that. He was content. (Aplatonic Alastor is a whole separate post I have planned. Also genderqueer Alastor and autistic Alastor).
But Vox wanted something else. Something "more"*. Alastor makes it clear repeatedly that he is not okay with being touched, but Vox still does. It's so rude and creepy to touch someone when they make it clear they don't like that.
So Alastor cut Vox off. He realized that Vox wouldn't stop pushing his boundaries, and decided to end things then and there. And knowing how pushy Vox was, he cut him off harshly. You can say what you will about how Alastor was "too mean", but it clearly still didn't work, since Vox is still obsessed with him.
Vox is not owed Alastor's respect or kindness when he himself is being disrespectful and crossing his boundaries. Vox is not owed Alastor's time or attention or affection or anything. Alastor had every right to distance himself from Vox.
The betrayal of someone you thought was your friend pushing rose feelings on you, especially when you've made your boundaries clear, is painful. And so, I will always sympathize with Alastor over Vox in this situation (especially since Vox went on to SA Alastor)...
*I hate the idea that romantic/sexual relationships are inherently "more than friends." Friendship can be just as deep and meaningful and impactful as rose relationships.
the discourse on speed in traffic and the dangers of braking sounds to me like... "well every car accident always kills everyone involved duh everyone knows that" "not if they wear seatbelts though?" "what do you mean seatbelts. nobody ever wears seatbelts dont be ridiculous"
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