What if Snotlout Had Lost the Thawfest Games? (HTTYD Theory)
Well met, my fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD post! Today, we'll be doing another Snotlout post, and today's topic is about something that I've had for a long time but am only now writing about.
What would happen if Hiccup had won? And what would happen if Snotlout had lost the Thawfest Games?
I had watched the "Thawfest" episode multiple times and every time I did, I had always asked myself these two questions.
And, of course, every time I watched this, this scene would pop up:
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Spitelout: Did you ever hear the story of when I almost lost the Thawfest Games?
Snotlout: No. I never did.
Spitelout: That's right. Because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!
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Spitelout: No Jorgenson has ever come close to losing the Thawfest Games. Don't you be the first.
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This scene was interesting. Not only does it reek of fanatic Sports Dad vibes, but he's also threatening Snotlout and demanding that he comes out on top.
Personally, I highly doubt that the Jorgensons have won EVERY SINGLE Thawfest Games in Berk's history. I suspect this is just a myth stated in Spitelout's delusional grandeur to spur Snotlout into winning the games. What I DO believe, however, is that Spitelout has won every Thawfest Game in HIS youth, as Snotlout has. Maybe even their grandfather??? I don't know. We know next to nothing about Berkian history, so it's all speculation and headcanons for us weebs. 🤓😢
Needless to say, Snotlout is under a lot of pressure, and Spitelout is in a stormy mood at the moment. And his threat to his son seemed to imply that, should Snotlout lose, all Helheim would break loose.
Now, what would this entail?
Well, if you want to keep it PG-13: grounding, spanking, taking his favorite weapons, throwing all his medals in the trash... anything petty that I can see Spitelout doing.
If you want it dark and edgy: abuse, disinheritance, or even disownment.
Now, you're probably thinking, what's the difference between being disinherited and disowned? Simple: being disinherited means losing your piece of the pie in the family's wealth. And since Snotlout was the only son, he'd get the lion's share of it as the next Head of the family. Being disowned means the complete severing of familial ties and Snotlout would no longer be a Jorgenson and wouldn't have a family cell to support him; he'd be left to his own devices. In Viking society, that is a BIG deal.
Now, would Spitelout even go as far as to disinherit or even disown his own son? Mmm... unlikely. As far as we know, Snotlout is the only male in Spitelout's core family, so unless Spitelout hands the heir title over to a relative, it's doubtful that Spitelout would even do such a thing even if he were super furious. Plus, I also doubt that Snotlout's mother would allow Spitelout to go that far.
So honestly, abuse would be the more likely outcome, and could explain Snotlout looking to be in utter terror in this next scene:
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Snotlout: [Whimpers] I can't lose. I can't lose. I can't lose, I can't lose!
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Of course, I could very well be wrong and Spitelout WOULD disinherit or disown his son. We just don't know since that event never happened and Hiccup stupidly gave up his winning spot for the idiot.
Now, here's my headcanon.
My Headcanon
Snotlout loses the Thawfest Games, and Hiccup becomes the winner, being the first person in decades who's not a Jorgenson to win the Thawfest Medal.
Snotlout is then left to deal with the thundering storm that is his father, Spitelout, who storms off back to their Hall. When evening falls, Snotlout deals with Spitelout's curses, tirades, and physical and verbal abuse.
Hookfang, seeing that his master is being harmed by his father comes to the rescue and attacks Spitelout, either injuring him or even killing him.
Because of this incident, Snotlout is forced to leave Berk in exile with Hookfang until things can be settled. Which kinda fits the theme of the "Cast Out" episodes in Defenders of Berk.
Conclusion
So yeah, that's my theory and headcanon. What do you guys think? Think any of this is possible? Or do you have your own theories and headcanons? Please share! I can't wait to see what you guys come up with! 😀
Thanks for reading this and I hope you have a marvelous Wednesday!
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Theon, no. Or, say, only in a very limited context do I see him surviving.
I know, it’s not popular with Theon fans, but there’s no redemption for murdering defenseless children. There will be no returning to the fold of a home. Theon has to die either literally or metaphorically.
(And no, Ramsay’s treatment of him is not that metaphorical death because it does not contain atonement. It is a punishment in the worst of hell, but it doesn’t make Theon better, nor is it truly related to his crimes. It is the sadism of a monster enacted on a victim. Surviving Ramsay only put Theon into a mental state to begin atoning, to understand himself as a perpetrator.)
If the Night’s Watch were to survive, that would be one option, a permanent atonement. But I don’t believe the Wall will remain and I don’t think the Watch will remain, either.
It is actually a fascinating question what might replace the Wall in terms of a place where you can send people to atone. A place of service and personal reinvention.
Sandor goes to the Quiet Isle. He dies metaphorically and is reborn as the Gravedigger. But Stranger remains in the stables and represents his true nature, lurking beneath. Can a place of voluntary self-exile fulfill the same function for someone who is not in the mental state to take true responsibility? And who is being served there? Is there atonement in simply going away? Septon Meribald is a bad man who does penance in active service, again it is voluntary. The Watch is a shambles because it stopped being a place of volunteers. And while it offers the option of atonement and person reinvention, it also offers all the trappings of a prison, with the attendant abuses.
Considering these voluntary places of exile or atonement are steeped in religion and this also recalls Aeron Damphair, who shares more than one parallel with Theon, when it comes to horrific abuse, we might be looking at one potential future path for Theon to walk. Ironically, Aeron is the uncle Theon mocked for his faith. But he gives comfort to Falia, endures with his soul intact. If we’re talking Theon’s future, I suppose Aeron is the one to watch.
Gods, Theon is a masterpiece of a character. There is so much humanity in there.
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Gridfailure premiere new track "Self-Exile" CVLT Nation premiered Gridfailure's new track "Self-Exile", which you can listen to above. The track is taken from the group's impending album…
You came to this country when you felt like you were already almost at the end of yourself, you thought that you could build yourself up again here, get rid of the layers of strangeness behind which you were living, which you think of returning to now, remember when you arrived you could hardly have a conversation in any language, and now in some ways you are better, but it still feels so far off, that feeling of being able to rely on your own inner resources to have a completely good and normal day.
Then nothing was normal when you came here, nothing quite fell into place even as you watched it fall into place for others, who didn’t know what you were talking about, or why you were so confused and nervous. Then you were sent to a place you knew nothing about, that seemed impossibly far away and difficult to access. Then a thing that was kind of your worst fear came true, and nobody seemed concerned or even really willing to admit that it had happened, they seemed to be conspiring against you as you tried to cope with it, you checked yourself, listened to yourself carefully, this was occurring in true and easily explainable ways if only the person listening were not there with you. So you threw yourself back out into no points of reference, loneliness in the city you sort of knew became the friendliest thing, you let yourself be pulled into something else terrible, someone willing to take control of your body and repurpose it, to pretend to know you. To offer protection from your imagined fears. To be feared later, to make your body more foreign, more opposed to you because of the things it wants and then later what it might do to you or what it is doing to itself, always running further from you, pulling you in more terrible directions which are always downward, dirtward.
You are trying to learn a language you are afraid of, you live with a kind and sympathetic woman whose personal warmth makes her somewhat fascistic worldview even more confusing, who speaks a useless language with terrifying fluency for a reason she is losing, you are watching her send money and love into a hole out of which nothing will return to her, she says they are not the same thing, love is the only one that she will allow to exist, but you can only think of both of them as time. The wind blows in strange patterns that suggest violence, the toilet is always broken, the water from the sink will make you ill, you bought a kilo of apples and each one was rotten, crumbly and molding at the core. What kind of reality is this? What do you want to hold on to?
The last time you felt reality, that solid bottom for your mind to bob against if it needs to, you were lying in the train from Odessa. You had taken an entire Xanax for a reason that felt good enough. It felt hard and strange but so wonderful, like when your feet finally found the bottom again after feeling like you were going to drown for so long, when you thought you were going to drown, that reality, now it's like anything else that ever saved you from drowning, with its own terrible purposes, the thoughtless teenage boy of pharmaceuticals, where it's all in the side effect.
All the other times are when I am shopping, or moving among things I might buy. I can no longer feel ashamed of this; I know that this is universal, this is international, and I can stay about-to-buy, in the relative comfort of hesitation, until I am forced to remember myself again. Accidentally looking out a window in the mall I saw a tree, suddenly it looked friendly, a tree that could be near my home, when I left I saw it again, by a marshrutka, sad and nearly dead.