#nafalt

“Okay, but did those people have any specific complaints about alleged feminist behavior and changes? Actual examples you tried to disprove?”

Feminist in Youtube comments: Feminism is about equality! Feminists a few years ago: It's perfectly okay for Captain Marvel to assault a guy and steal his bike because he asked her to smile! Also feminists a few years ago: Any man who asks if gender equality means men get to hit women just wants to hurt women!

I think "equal rights, equal fights" went mainstream despite feminism.

So it's hilarious to see feminists trying to take all the credit for gender equality issues that they've been trying to suppress for decades.  

https://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/693728990966448128/

The irony is that Calicofem is literally making things up and proving my point.

Here’s what I would’ve written before I noticed the block.

>You implied that women just make up stuff about misogyny and it's truly weird and strange of you, and the thing is what they're saying probably does happen, you just don't care or you've done it before and don't want to confront that you're a misogynist.

Again, I have literally seen women - and men - apparently hallucinate things that are happening right in front of them. It's either that or they were making it up.

Of course, if they made it up - or misunderstood someone else - and honestly mistook it for reality, it's not lying.

Interesting how you insist I'm a misogynist when I apply the same standard to men.

I also like how you’ve backpedalled to “I’m just saying it’s strange (and misogynist).” without any actual argument. It’s causing cognitive dissonance because you’re a bigot.

>>What about women who disagree with feminists, and say they're misogynist against other women? Are they correct?

>I'd never accuse those women of just making things up about other women though. That in itself is misogynistic.

You didn't actually answer the question, I note.

>But idk, what are they saying feminists are misogynistic for? I'm not saying "all women are always correct" I'm saying that it's strange to accuse women of just Making Things Up about misogyny. And especially for you, since you've never experienced misogyny in your life.

Okay. For all the marbles.

Do you believe any woman in human history, ever, has ever lied about facing misogyny?

Yall know that “toxic masculinity” refers to expressions of masculinity that are toxic, right? it doesn’t imply that all masculinity is toxic- it’s used to talk about like, how people will repress their emotions aside from anger in order to seem “manly”, and how they might act in violent or self-destructive ways because that is what society expects of men.

masculinity is not inherently toxic. it hasn’t been poisoned or corrupted. it is a neutral concept, a kind of gender presentation, and it doesn’t make you a bad, unhealthy, or toxic person to be masculine.

masculinity does not need to be “soft” to be acceptable, it can just be neutral. because it is not toxic, just sometimes expressed in toxic ways or for toxic reasons.

imo? Yes.

Like when white women fake cry to win arguments, or to appear to be the victim (despite how much damage they may have caused), or when female abusers point to their femininity as a reason they couldn’t possibly be hurting anyone. Or when the girls in school weaponize their performances of femininity against more androgynous, less traditionally attractive, or more masculine girls.

Plenty of cis women have a similarly toxic relationship to femininity as cis men do to masculinity. A good example of a less material expression might be the tendency to self-martyr, using the “caregiver” role to guilt trip and gaslight, and abuse in a more manipulative, emotional/mental way than the physical aggression more typical with toxic masculinity.

The patriarchy rewards gender conformity, and requires cis people of both genders to uphold it. Cis women are at a structural disadvantage to cis men regardless, but can absolutely gain more social power by adhering more strictly to traditional femininity- and weaponize that power against others.

So what is an example of toxic femininity in Black women?

"Yall know that “toxic masculinity” refers to expressions of masculinity that are toxic, right?" Which is, if you look at other feminist rhetoric, most mainstream masculinity. If someone came up to you and said "you and most people who share your gender/race/sexual preference are Doing It Wrong", I think you'd be a little pissed.

> "or when female abusers point to their femininity as a reason they couldn’t possibly be hurting anyone."

You know feminism itself does this all the time, right? Genders abuse as something men do to women, as "violence against women (by men)"?I've also seen countless feminists insist women hurt men less than the converse, or that hurt men somehow deserve it.

Heck, feminists regularly tell men to shut up about their feelings and support women.

It's also interesting how almost all of your examples of "toxic femininity" - which is not a term in common use among feminists - involve specific groups of women who are toxic. Not the parts of femininity which are.

And at the end, you blame the Patriarchy - and thus men - anyway.

I mean, you literally described how female abusers can play innocent, but you still insist cis women are disadvantaged across the board.

Maybe the fact that you have to make this post should tell you there’s a serious problem with the way feminism addresses masculinity.

And what a shock, nothorses. You have me pre-blocked.

And never responded to Silver.

Ah, now I get it. You probably only care because trans dudes are collateral damage, not because “toxic masculinity” hurts cis men. In fact, here’s another post of yours where you say TM mostly hurts minority men, especially trans men.

Ironic that you’re trying to speak truth to your team about their assumptions while pre-blocking folks.