#max salt

These are just my thoughts.

That's been a valid counterargument that people have brought up about that episode. Even if Marinette's reason for joining the tournament wasn't "pure", it wasn't like anybody was actually there to compete "for the glory of their school" and it doesn't change the fact that Marinette won the contest fair and square because she was simply better at the game, which was the point of the tournament. Competitions in general are based on ability rather than personal feelings or reasons for competing. It sucks when you're the loser, but that's how it works and if Marinette didn't deserve the spot, she wouldn't have gotten it.

I think the main reason people got mad and blamed her for the whole thing was because the narrative itself was framing Marinette as the jerk in the situation for winning, even if she did it completely fairly and was the better pick for the position based on ability. It's the same sort of lesson like Annie Get Your Gun where the entire point is that while the woman was better than the guy at the specific thing they were competing over, she should have let herself lose to protect the guy's precious feelings because not upsetting the guy is supposed to be the most important thing. And in a city where anyone who gets upset will be turned into some sort of monster, that would understandably be a legitimate concern in Miraculous. But in that case, Marinette might as well just stay in her room and never go out or do anything so she doesn't risk upsetting anyone.

It's a poor lesson, but it's not far from the course with Miraculous.

On the flip side, I've heard arguments of sexism with Max specifically targeting Marinette instead of Adrien. To be fair, I would argue that Marinette may have been Max's target not because she was a girl but possibly because she was the second and final winner that bumped Max to third place instead of second. Hear me out: Psychologically speaking, even if more than one person or thing is responsible for a person getting angry, when they're tipped into a rage, they tend to zero in on the most recent trigger or the current available target. How many of you have seen someone go off on someone else when the truth was they were really mad over something entirely different that happened earlier? Or multiple upsets throughout the day that just led to an explosion at the end over something relatively simple and completely unrelated? It could arguably be sort of like that.

In Max's case, while Adrien did beat him first, he at least still had a chance to compete in the official tournament. As such, while Max may have been unhappy about the loss, it was minor for him because he would still get to play. It wasn't until he was booted out completely from competing that he had an issue, and it's fully possible that he would have been just as angry if the lineup was switched and it had been Adrien or anyone else in Marinette's place. I think this is the case as Max's attitude didn't change when Adrien gave up his spot to Marinette, indicating that Max didn't really care that a girl had beaten him so much as he cared that he'd lost the chance to play altogether.

Of course, I may just be giving Max the benefit of the doubt here. As it is, there are a few of us who noticed he DID have the codes on his glasses, so there's been some question as to whether that was something he actually did or if it was just the show trying to highlight his expertise in gaming, but given the way the show works, that doesn't seem likely.

So yeah, Max lost and he likely cheated. That's not Marinette's fault. Her only "fault" is being insensitive to a friend's feelings, but she didn't actually know just how much Max cared about the competition. Also, the bigger point is it IS a competition and someone was bound to lose. She shouldn't have been made out to be in the wrong over that, especially when she wasn't the one showing off and looking down on her opponent.

Here's the thing: Much like with Reflektdoll, I don't have an issue with Marinette apologizing because she's a good friend who seems very much the sort of person to apologize to a friend if they're upset and if she feels she has had any part in that upset, regardless of whether or not she was actually the one in the wrong. It's less of a "moral of the day says Marinette was wrong so she HAS to apologize" and more of that just being Marinette's personality where she's of course going to feel bad for upsetting a friend even if she wasn't the one who did anything wrong (Reflektdoll) or it was a legitimate win (Gamer).

It’s a commonly held belief that Max put combo moves into his glasses, since they flash over his lenses but never appear on the screen.

Whether or not you interpret this as cheating is up to you, as using combo moves isn’t cheating, but it’s usually implied you’re supposed to...you know, remember them yourself? With Max’s character, because something like “Coding Combos into your Glasses” probably isn’t a tournament rule (because who would ever think to do that), Max could logic out that it’s not cheating at all.

Then again, this point is never addressed or even brought attention to and is entirely speculation, since it is possible these codes are just reflecting off the screen and actually are visible to everyone? I mean, it never shows up on the screen to confirm that, but we all know how bad this show is at continuity.

I did include the codes in this one panel, but I also understand it’s not very visible.

As I promised, this are just some of the plots for fics that I been thinking, a few for a while, others today or this week. Not all of them involve Lila, and even in those she’s not always the focus (Not all of them can be considered ‘salt’ exactly, while others can be labeled as ‘actions have consequences’).

In case anyone want to use them this are the rules (I can made them since this are my ideas):

First of all I want to be tagged for the original idea.

No OOC or bashing of any character (except Gabriel).

No Alya salt unless it’s minimum and only if she’s redeemed at the end. She already gets more than enough hate from the fandom.

Other than that, please refrain of using any of the tropes mentioned in this post:

disclaimer:Those headcannon are of a group game beetwen them with 1 Impostor.

Adrien: Would really like to conserve the imppresion he is a cinamom roll, but dose’nt want to do missions. Would tell people he sucks at the game, and would not really play it alot. if he will:

Style: Would wear the most ridiculos fashion disaster hat ever. Would try his best to be green or black. Otherwise dosen’t care.

as Crewmate: Dose as little as possible to not be considered suspicious. Constantly goes back to the Cafeteria.  

When finished: Would stand near the button. Would avoid people.

After death: Would avoid other ghosts, but will not leave cause he dosen’t want to be seen as selfish. 

In the chat: Would just ask where. Not paticulery fast. Always skips.

Impostor: Would not want people to believe he could be a good one, would do as little as possible. Would not outright tell on himself, but would let people finish mission without interfearing.

Tldr: dosen't care alot about the game.

Lila:  

Style: Favorite collors go Orane, Brown and White. Abesloutly not red. Keeps colour as constant as posibble. Wears a hat and changes from time to time. Possible hats are Flaming, Cowboy hats, Foods and baloon.

as Crewmate: Would do all her missions, report every body found. Would do her best to sound as helpful as possible, even to ghosts.  

When finished missions: Would stay put, say she is afraid to be killed.

When dying: Still trying to look helpful. The ghosts are watching. 

In chat: Asks where and who as fast as possible. is as straight forward as possible if she called the meeting. Will not point fingers, even if she has evidence. Perfect grammar. Always skips voting.

as Imposter: would out right tell on herself. Immidetly.She dosen’t want people to think she can lie.

TLDR: Would be helpful, but would tell on herself to conserve reputation.

Rose: Is really excited at first to play. She played the missions in free play, but didn’t check the imposter option, and didn’t read the how to. And when the imposter finds her and kill her, she screams and will never play the game again. Might have nightmares.

TlDr: Baby is forever traumatised.

Chloe: “Me?! Playing a game with you all?!?!? Ridiculos!!!! Abseloutly ridiculos!!!” “We didn’t even invite you!”  

Sbarina: With Chloe most of the time. won’t reallt get to play.

Marinette: Is Ladybug so I am sticking to her being really good. 

Style: Absloutly no red, or black!!! Nope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not going to happen, is very fearful of her secret identity. wears the pink flower. Favorite collors go White, Pink Cyan and purple. Otherwise dosen’t really care.  

As crewmate: Knows the fastest way to do all her missions as fast as possible, while acounting for her chance at randomly disappearing to the cafetria. 

After finishing missions: Patrolling, searching for the imposter or dead bodies in areas where others might miss. 

When dying: Following the impostor out of boredom, talking in the ghost chat. BeIng angry if she was thrown out of the ship. She probably already finished her missions but she will if she haven’t already.

In chat: All the typos!!!!!!!!!! So many typos!!! Not even close to correct grammar!! Will pointfingers if she had any sort of evidence. Will be the first to ask where, or who. But insted of where she goes “wgtyre?” or something similar. So many typos!!!! Will vote for her suspect allways, almost never skip.

As impostor: Uses perfectly controled sabptagas to murder and to make sure no one finds the body if she is close. Wil use the vent’ but will always go bac to where she started. Kills people really fast. Self reports after like two minutes of not being there. Is never seen by cameras or anyone.  Chat behavior as normal.

TlDr: a pro.

Alya:  

style: Wears hats she finds funny. Mostly the Flamingo or the Ski mask. Her colours go Orange Black Red Yellow and Brown. Lila will usually let her be orange because she wants to be seen as nice by everyone. No hated colours. 

As crewmate: Dose her missions allright, but it more Kin on searching for the imposter. Keeps a notepad with evidence, go to Medbay and see who gets scanned, have a whole list going on, and is searching for him. Often dies pretty fast.  

After missions: Searching for the impostor extra hard, going to Secirity and Admin, constantly moving, neve once being in the Cafeteria. 

After death: Finishing mission cause she probably hasn’t yet. Than following the imposter or other ghosts. Walks to the edge of the map cause that’s cool. Be angry in the ghost chat.

In chat: Asks where second, but without typos in where. Has minimal typos in the rest of messages. Will not point to suspects without much evidence but will only defend other people if she knows with certentity that tehey are innocent. Will vote to what gets called.  

As impostor: Will know how to avoid being seen, mostly makes sure that no pepole are around, and is good at venting. Not nearly as good as Marinette though, would not use sabotages nearly as stragically. Would be more quick to blame people, and dosen’t realy know how to fake doing missions.

TlDr: Is not bad, digging for truth.

Nino: 

Style: I have a hard time to believe he would wear the cap. Mostly because I find it ugly. You can think so But I really disagree. Will wear the Fadora or the Sherlock holmes hat. Favorite coulors in order go  Light Green, Dark green, Blue, Cyan, Black Brown and Yellow. Will change colour between every run.   

as crewmate: Dose missions that are as close to him as possible. Dosen’t factor the fact he might teleport to the Cafeteria. Dosen’t care about the impostor. Dosen’t come back to the Cafteria. 

After missions: Sometimes moves to security or Admin out if boredom.

After death: Follows other ghosts. Dosen’t really care about the impostor. 

In the chat: Asks where, but not really fast. Will not vote unless almst everyone agrees, is OK with skipping.  Writes with half as many typos as Alya.

As imposter: Tries not to be noticed or seen, but forgets about camera,and is not really through.  Dosen’t blame anyone as impostor.

TlDr: Not too bad, not too good.

Max:

Style: No. Hates costumization.

As crewmate: dose his mission fairly slowly, tries to avoid people and go back to the Cafeteria or go the security.

After missions: Just sits at the Cafeteria, trying to be safe.

After death: Curse the chat and leave. Dosen't matter he didn't finished missions.

In chat: would call a meeting on any slight suspicion to anyone. Marinette will point finger, but he would call the meeting. Everyone are angry. Perfect grammar, no typos.

As impostor: Would know to avoid cameras and would do his best to avoid people. He is very careful, and knows how to fake doing missions. Would really like sabotaging the lights to not be seen. Not nearly as good as Marinette though, takes a lot more time. People might finish missions too fast.

TlDr: Wants to stay alive.

Alix:

Style: Really annoying hat, dosen't care about the colour one bit.

As crewmate: Would do her missions very slowly, in a suspicious way, on purpose. Likes to mess with people, dosen't really care about dying. Plus, when she will be the impostor, it will be less suspicious.

After missions: She probably wouldn't finish her missions at all. But if she will, she will start following people she knows are innocent for funzies.

After death: Would actually finish her missions. She likes to mess with people, but she wants to help.

In chat: would outright say "I am the impostor", when she isn't. Have three times as much typos as Alya.

As impostor: Alix be like "Oh yeah! Time to actually kill people! Finally!!". Will sabotage the lights, because she thinks it's creepy and cool. Would kill people quick, but is not nearly as careful... At all actually. Gets caught pretty quick.

TlDr: Alix Likes to mess with people.

Kim:

Style: Dosen't have favourite colours. Would constantly switch to confuse people. Has a really tall hat.

As crewmate: would constantly accidentally move while doing a mission, or make a mistake. Takes a lot of time to do those. Tries to be near people for as long as possible.

After missions: Would stand near a vent and won't move to see if the impostor would come out.

After death: Would finish missions. Than would follow a specific someone, not necessarily the impostor. Thinks it's funny.

In chat: Will only point fingers, will point them at everyone without evidence at all, and would vote for himself. Has twice as many typos as Alya.

As Impostor: Would constantly self report. Dosen't know how to sabotage. Will probably vent infront of people.

TlDr: Making the game harder for everyone.

Juleka:

Style: colours go Purple, Red, Blue and Brown. Would pick one and stick to it. Wears the black hair.

As crewmate: Do missions, but stay away as best as possible from people. Careful but won't go to the cafeteria often though.

After missions: Would spin in the cafeteria to see more.

After death: would follow other ghosts.

In chat: dosen't talk unless she alerted are she is directly blamed. No typos at all.

As impostor: would sabotage more essential stuff, not the lights. Use the vents a lot. Dosen't remember to avoid cameras though.

TlDr: Careful but not annoying.

Nathaniel:

Style: Colours go Orange, Brown, Red and Black. Wears the bandana.

As crewmate: Would the missions as fast as possible. That's pretty much all.

After missions: Would go to security.

After death: Would finish missions and go to ghost chat

In chat: has as much typos as Nino. Questions stuff.

As impostor: Sabotages whenever he can. Waits for the perfect moment to kill, gradually gets more frustrated and kills someone in plain sight.

TlDr: Helpful.

Mylene and Ivan: Wouldn't try the game.

Kim wasn’t, at least not overtly, though he was in camp “she’s going to make a fool of herself” with Marinette when she jumped into the tournament and was blown away by her annihilating Max, which is why I felt comfortable putting him in ‘not mean spirited but has some unchecked biases that this will teach him to rethink’. (Plus he was a bit “oh you poor dumb noob not knowing what APM means” despite the fact I’ve never heard any Let’s Play youtubers or any of my gamer friends ever use it, so that felt patronizing to me)

In fairness to Kim, Alya was similarly unsupportive, so she also has some biases to reconsider.

MAX however-

I will die pissed off that he only ever targeted Marinette in his rampage and that even by the end of the episode was heavily sulking about her 100% fair and square victory. If he included Adrien in his pouting, then I’d be willing to believe he’s just that upset about not being able to compete. But in all his rants it’s not about the tournament, it’s about being in the tournament because he’s “The Best” which means he SHOULD be angry at BOTH the people who beat his high score! It just reads as he was fine with Adrien beating him (despite that also proving he’s not The Best) but not when Marinette beats him.

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