#localizer

having nadia say rizz is like adding a bmw in hobbits ( technology advancing doesnt equal it being justified to have characters say what they didnt say

there's no point in debating what she "would" say. She already said what she would say in the jp script and it was 魅力 which, yes, translates to charm or appeal. She didn't use slang, therefore, she "wouldn't" use slang. saying upping the rizz and bring out your charms are sentences that give two different impacts/vibes

in response to a localizat trying to claim it fits her

There are plenty humorous scenes in the game already even without Americans trying to add onto them with fart jokes or making Estelle's dialogue extra violent for "le funny moment". Just get Olivier on the screen. :rosy: :rosy: :rosy:

It's definitely frustrating seeing how spread the misconception that Japanese is a dry language. You would be surprised how many people believes that original Estelle is boring, and that the localization "breathed life into her character".

"Dry", "1-1", "nuances", are basically mandatory buzzwords in these discussions, and it usually ends in "Whatever, I like the English version anyway".

This game, and the couple few games after are handled by Xseed. It's just as you noticed: They take liberties to make the dialogue "funnier". I'm actually surprised you haven't brought up Estelle's "あんですてぇぇぇぇ” because that's the most obvious one. For reference look at this (copy the link directly, rather than clicking it): htrailsinthedatabase . com/game-scripts?game_id=1&p=1&q=あんです

NISA which localizes the later games, takes even a step further. Not only they try to add funny stuff, but they are also very politically correct, and will try to remove mentions of gender. a general example would be "Girls like this, boys like that" "girls are bad at this, boys are bad at that".

What I'm annoyed about are the IMO unsuccessful attemps of the localizers to add "funny" one-liners and jokes and trying to pep up the characters' dialogue and personalities at every possible opportunity. The most recent example I've seen was when you enter Elmo village in chapter 3 and both Estelle and Joshua both comment on the smell (of Sulfur) in the area. While these comments are similar in both scripts, the English one adds a line to Estelle which goes something like "Joshua, did you just...", insinuating that he just let out a big fart.

Original Sora SC: サングラスに、黒いスーツ。 そして黒いグローブと来たか。

メチャクチャ怪しいわねぇ。

XSEED Sky SC: So… sunglasses, a dark suit, and black gloves. Riiiiight…

This guy might as well wear a sign on his head saying 'I AM SINISTER, BE SUSPICIOUS OF MY EVIL WAYS.'

Google Translate: Sunglasses and a black suit. And black gloves.

That looks really suspicious.

Today, we’re going fishing with Sangi Takamura (参議篁). So to speak… Twitter Patreon GitHub LinkedIn YouTube わたの原 (Wata no hara) – Across the open sea,八十島かけて (Yaso-shima kakete) – Spanning eighty islands,こぎ出ぬと (Kogi idenu to) – Rowing forth,人には告げよ (Hito ni wa tsugeyo) – Tell those whom you meet,あまのつり舟 (Ama no tsuribune) – The boat of fishermen from Ama. In translating Sangi Takamura’s poem,…

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how do you get beauty's blade out of sword maiden

Not to mention in the original game/English patch where there are multiple jokes about her nickname in relation to her age going sword maiden how could you call yourself a maiden at that age. (Van gets a good amount of age jokes too)

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Elaine, and only Elaine do not like the name because A. She is a humble person and feels unworthy B. She is embarrassed about being a "Maiden" at her age. Certain characters troll her about it. But everyone else respects the name.

"Beauty's blade" is a cringe title, even to some of us playerbase. Not to mention, now NISA has to change the "reason" behind the embarrassment. What are they gonna say; "She is too old to be called beauty"?

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or calling aaron crimson khan while you could say that

It's actually a pretty good localization choice to convey Aaron's position in Langport to English speaking folks right away. Aaron's title in Japanese is 小覇王 or literally "Little Conquerer." This was the nickname (in Japanese) of Sun Ce from the 3 Kingdoms period who's military campaign was notable for the time and helped to eventually establish the state of Wu when there was other big dog Generals of the time.

but it doesnt feel right since from what heiyue are meantto represent chinese mafia's "

so aaron would be chinese

In Persona 3, "Maya" says that Tanaka "talks like a woman" (オネエ口調). This is a Japanese euphemism for being gay. Basically, she was saying: "YO, IF YOU SEE THAT F-SLUR--"

This line was changed for Persona 3 Reload, in both the original Japanese script as well as the English version.

the joke is that to quote junpei is that she is a he

but this got changed in reload to her just be crazy woman

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"No, I don't want to just ruin the game for English speakers. It needs to be ruined for EVERYONE"

The Japanese "approved it" excuse is tiresome & worthless. Kadokawa, much like every other Japanese company, hires localizers with the implicit trust that they will do what's necessary to present their work to the Western audience.

Unfortunately, what has been deemed "necessary" is completely false & at the whims of localizers who do not have the best interest of the integrity of the original work in mind, rather they are attempting to "adapt" said work for the West in a way that they believe is appropriate by taking far too many "creative" liberties that amount to rewrites which stray from the Japanese script.

Most Japanese people don't have the English fluency required, and let's be real, even if they did, it's not as though they are scouring over every last line in the scripts for "accuracy." That is simply not time efficient for a business & if the Japanese could do it themselves, they wouldn't need translators in the first place.

This has been demonstrated by instances where the Japanese have been tipped off to drastic character changes or translations that they were unaware of (e.g. Yen Press) & fixed as a result of backlash because localizers did whatever they wanted instead of sticking to the script.

"Approval" is just business speak & simply because something was approved it does not make it inherently correct.

"Top-tier localization" is apparently changing character personalities, needlessly "punching up" dialogue, & avoiding using "Merry Christmas" even when it can be heard in the Japanese audio; which is exactly why it needs to be handled by translators willing to do the job faithfully.

Funnier fact: Bilinguals, trilinguals or polyglots are laughing at this discourse since current localizers are inventing laws of physics to justify their shitty vandalism

Or changing the name of Esty Erhard to Esty Dee in the English release of the Atelier Arland trilogy. There is no chance the original writers approved that change because; 1. It's an unnecessary change, nothing would've been lost in translation. 2. It sounds like STD.

Who gives you the right to add pointless dogshit to games/anime? Are you a writer or a creator of said things? And yes, these changes are bad, because they turn characters into something they aren't. Stick to making your own shit, instead of butchering someone else's work.

Some would argue this is worse than what sweet baby inc is even trying.

Cus while sweet baby is bad, it's still a form that corporations go to of their own will to dilute their art…Localizers do that despite what the creator wanted or inputed

Some would argue this is worse than what sweet baby inc is even trying. Cus while sweet baby is bad, it's still a form that corporations go to of their own will to dilute their art...Localizers do that despite what the creator wanted or inputed

Not always, the rest of the time the localizers will abuse the fact that the writer doesn't have much communication with foreign consumers and say "we can't translate this, it would offend everyone and they would hate it" until the writers say "oh gosh well I don't want that"

Eiyuden is the worst example of this, that's why I brought it up. Exploiting a dead author to insert bad jokes is pure evil. The localization is so abridged and disrespectful that fans had to create a patch just so we could read what Murayama actually wrote.

I remember seeing on steam people try to mock the idea of being accurate lmao this is the weebiest thing ive ever read in my life. "”NIHONGO SUPREMACY DONT YOU DARE TRY TO ALTER THE ORIGINALITY OF MY BEAUTIFUL NIPPON AND ITS DENIZENS!!” ( this is something they outright said

in response to someone

“Also if characters speaking like normal people is bland then this series isn't for you. Might i suggest something like dustborn or avowed or dragon age veilguard... they seem more up your alley in terms of shallow characters and jokes/memes inserted when un-necessary and pointless.

Not every franchise needs to have the ♥♥♥♥ humour and jokes that xseed/NISA added to their version that ruins multiple characters/lore/scenes/moments.

quit it with the cultural appropriation and racism

The word "creativity" in the translation/localization debate is a bit of a red herring imo Translation DOES require some creativity because there are many ways to approach it, but a good translator should never insert their own biases or "improve" the OG text.

I both agree and disagree. It's "creative" in a technical sense; it's solving a problem, in the same way an engineer would solve a problem regarding something mechanical. It's not creative in an artistic sense, which is what most people are referring to when they say "creative."

In 1, Riki is a Pikachu, speaks in a childish manner and high pitched cutesy voice. When it's revealed he's 40 years and a dad, that comes off as a shock because of the contrast!

But in EN he sounds like he is 40 years old! Instead of childish language, he sounds retarded!

In 2, the EN script seems to have erased substituted dialogue that shows Nia was falling in love with Rex along the journey with something else entirely. Her falling in love with him is what leads to her revealing that she's a

Lin from Xenoblade X as an example of this - in JP she's polite, caring, respects her elders and loves her job; in EN she's brash, harsh, quick to insult and calls her job boring. People complain that Lin and Tatsu's relationship is annoying, but that's the EN script

>localizers ruined a character and misrepresented it for MILLIONS of people This is why we complain about localization being a huge issue, imagine you create something and ANOTHER PERSON rewrites it for millions of people to be diffrent

Entire localization discourse boils down to: "Hey man, can u please translate stuff accurately?" "Nah, have more wholesome chungus skibidi rizz ohayo happy holidays" "Hope u get replaced by AI"