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I think what bugs me the most about what happened today other than the fact that I was the one getting vagued is the fact that the conversation got warped into one that is about morality and not simply theorizing on The Ravens and how The Nest works
my original post essentially said two things:
The Ravens are victims and to erase that because they don't fit the model of the perfect victim and some have even become abusers erases all nuance from that portion of Jean and Kevin's lives and the surrounding discussion
Cults are weird. I grew up in one. And it is very easy to manipulated by one and to feel trapped and to also be completely in the dark about what is happening in a cult even when you're in the heart of it
I did not say anyone had to forgive the Ravens (they're fictional characters. fake people. that wasn't even on my mind) or that any of them are by any means good people. i also didn't say that they were all oblivious or that there weren't some of them that were abusive. I also never made this a conversation about morality and whether or not the Ravens are good or bad people for staying in a cult.
For some reason that got warped into what we are currently discussing and involved some highly insensitive language surrounding cult victims including things being said like it's not crazy to expect people to walk away from things like scholarships, financial security, or career security if it means being complacent in abuse and that it's "just basic morals".
And I'm sorry for getting personal on this but as a cult survivor I think that's one of the most upsetting and insensitive things I have heard come from these conversations today.
It doesn't matter what x thing is whether it's money or food or housing or a career. In a cult they use whatever it is you need and make you dependent on them for it. Also with the Ravens in particular keep in mind it wasn't simply being complacent in abuse. They were being abused.
If you have been in a similar situation, if you are grappling with the guilt of leaving a cult or anything like a cult, know that you are not a moral failure for having stayed for as long as you did. You are not moral failure for staying for whatever reason you did. It is not just basic morals when it comes to living in a cult. Morality becomes warped and the concept of what is immoral and moral is something completely different and that is intentional.
It doesn't matter whether you think the Ravens were aware of Riko's abuse or not. Having differing opinions on that is completely okay. What you don't get to do is turn it into a conversation about morality where you then get to insult cult survivors like we're evil people for not walking away at the first red flag because we needed something. Because we were in survival mode and we weren't able to focus on other people.
We still don't have all the details on how the Ravens function or the type of abuse players even outside of the perfect court face other than it was extreme. It's fun to theorize. And it's okay if people disagree. But if you can't be mindful about where your opinion switches from theory to some huge declaration of moral high ground then you've lost the fucking plot.
I would love to talk more about the Ravens and my theories on them. I would love to talk more about how cults work and why I think it's possible they were completely unaware of Riko's abuse. There's a lot of nuance in those conversations and I would love to take the time to treat them with the care they deserve. I'm also still incredibly upset by a lot of the things said today and I can acknowledge that this is a topic that is very personal to me. So this is me opening up that can of worms (again) and I'm more than happy to have those conversations and answer questions but please be patient with me because if it isn't already obvious this is a topic that is incredibly sensitive to me
head in hands you are not evil for feeling things you are allowed to express your feelings in a healthy manner youre not a terrible person everything is fine
saw a picture with the person's hc's of how people sat in the class and got inspired-
i've been having brainrot over mcl these past few weeks so here you go - a product of a semi lifelong obsession.
also these are spanish names so Karla = capuccine
I know that Farres' class is a free seating kind of thing, but I HC that they eventually fell into this arrangement by their last year of high school - i feel that beemoov could've juiced out more slice of life stuff with the class so here i am
lowk i get this from hints from dialogues but these r my personal hc's of how classes would be at Sweet Amoris' Class F (F for Farres, not the grades they get lmao) - ignore the a in the pic i had a brain fart and i'm too lazy to change it
i yap so beware under the cut
Class F
they share all classes in the same room except for science, arts and pe so this is them in their natural environment
the people in the first row kinda keep to themselves
its the last two which initiate most of the banter (ie the twins mostly) BUT others tend to join in most of the time.
the first row is the most 'serious' about their studies
genuinely the 'problem' class of the school - it's either peggy trying to camouflage herself with the couch in the teachers room, nath and castiel on the verge of killing each other, amber, alexy and rosa's costume fiasco, and CANDY capitalised bcus she's genuinely involved in everyone's life at some point (chismosavirus i love her)
they don't all get along in a 'family' sense, but they did grow familiar with each other over the years and there are some very close friendgroups in their class
when they need to, they definitely can unite (they even convinced amber, li and charlotte to help with the bunnies, which was insane to me)
ik that they are all ver cliche-ish characters, but mcl surpisingly made them work very well together
Farres
teaches geography & history but is also Candy's class homeroom teacher
ppl tend to walk all over him which is something he cannot avoid with students in any of his classes
loser man he's v funny to me
if nath or melody are not in class and he asks a question there is always a 10 second long silence AT LEAST
trying his best bless his heart
i hc that the class gave him a goodbye gift of sorts after graduating, thanking him for his patience with their insane antics
maybe something like them naming a bunny in lysander's family farm after him or something as bizzare like that - call back to the time they almost got him fired in ep 18 with the bunnies they let out
All these hc's are about them in the class environment, but there is sm more i have in my back pocket
Nath
his dad's pressure to excel in school is obv influenced him sitting first row
even after gaining his independence, we still see him become valedictorian on ep 39 (?) or 40 i forgot so i assume that he started being more relaxed about his studies AFTER hsl
that's why he usually stays in that seat for most of his hsl
imo best seat in the class if you want to pay attention - close to the teacher but also right in front of the whiteboard
not a teachers pet, but castiel likes to use his choice of seat in a free seating class as an opportunity to call him one lmao
doesn't really care about who sits next to him, choice of seat was solely out of the need to keep up with his father's standards
doesn't mind sitting next to melody, even if he feels a bit overwhelmed by her constant attention, bcus he knows that she's also a diligent student
doesn't answer every question, but tends to raise his hand more than once every class
straight a's - we all know this
doesn't interrupt classes if it's not school-related - so don't expect him to be adding onto any banter that may go on during class time (unless it's castiel provoking him, but he only tends to speak up after his independence from his parents in ep 23)
ppl don't tend to listen to him when he asks for silence in the class (when farres is also unable to shut ppl up prior LMAO)
some ppl tend to find him annoying - too perfect for their liking - but after the whole ordeal with his dad people cut him some slack and realise that their annoyance prolly came from jealousy
sm angst material but let's move on
Melody
(apologies if i'm too mean to her,,, i dont love her character and it's not even about the nath possesiveness, more on that in another post if i feel like it :p)
this simp would have sat on mud in a heartbeat if it meant sitting next to nath
i always hc'd that, even though she is a good student, having a crush on nath actually drove her to be even better as a way to impress him
so, she chose to sit first row mainly bcus she is a good student, but deep down (or not that deep down lmao) knowing that she could've chose any of the other chairs in the row, it's obvious why she chose that specific seat out of any other
since she sits closest to Mr Farres out of everyone and shes also class rep, she's usually the one to hand out worksheets or go on errands for teachers (given that it's not an important job that fits nathaniel's role better)
ACTUAL teachers pet - it kind of annoys most in the class (even irks nath at some points lmao) bcus she always seems to eager to prove herself in a super obnoxious way
straight a's but is the type of whiny girl to be upset at anything less than an a (i get her)
looks down on ppl that don't get good grades and is kinda condescending (i don't relate there)
type of girl to SHHHH people loudly even if they're literally whispering
candy and rosa are big victims of this given that they are (1) chismosas by nature (2) sit right behind her
her attitude doesn't really change throughout school life
if you are nath route i imagine she absolutely stares daggers at us or anyone else when nath sits next to them in class
Lysander
before you pull out the pitchforks telling me about lys and castiel being besties - this doesn't mean that they have to sit together in class
hear me out
lysander is more serious about his studies, even if he is quiet he is a diligent student.
nath actually respects and kinda resents him for this, you can see that he doesn't have the pressure to be a good student that nath has but he still tries his best and does very well in class (straight low a's / high b's student imo)
angst hc's another time i swear
best classes/ones he enjoys the most are lit and history
castiel tends to call him a nerd, lovingly, opposed to how he does it to nath
doesn't participate much in class, but when he does it's usually to give correct answers when the class seems to draw on a blank
or bcus he is asked directly by Farres, lmao
before priya came in their second to last year of high school (my hc timeline but idk) lysander sat alone in the table so castiel would go over and sit next to him if he felt like spending more time with his best friend every now and then
he tends to enjoy his peace, so doesn't mind sitting alone
gets along well with priya when they sit together, but they tend to sit in comfortable silence
doesn't write much of his personal writing during class, he learnt that people tend to be way too curious and try to take a peek
or ask him to read it aloud to the rest of the class - that one lit class was a living hell for him
tends to daydream in class if he's tired
Priya
my beloved,,,, they will never make me hate you
came in last of everyone in the class so she took the only remaining seat
is still a beast in studies so it doesn't matter where she sits - will get straight a's anyway
except for art lmao
type of student melody wishes she were
effortlessly smart - and when she gives answers she's not overly snobbish
shes so ,,,, marry me
who said that
is up to sitting next to anyone that isn't amber's witch crowd - but if she ends up near them she doesn't hesistate to put them in their place
offers to switch places with friends that may be struggling more with classes and sit in rows behind her- she knows that sitting closer to the front will force people to focus more (it's usually kim or candy who get these offers from priya, bcus she knows that they have the potential and priya hates seeing them fall behind - and candy yaps too much with rosa sometimes)
she's always looking out for people, helping with violette and kim in maths with difficult exercises etcetc
i see her calling out an answer umprompted if she sees that the person that the teacher asked to has no idea - if she likes the person ofc
Delanay: what is a mitochondria?
candy: uhhhhhh
priya: POWERHOUSE OF -
ik that answer is wrong shut up
doesn't give two shits about being a 'model' student, she is interested in learning so that makes her a good student by default
loves history - political side of it even more, and can go on long tangents on all the 'underdogs' of history and on giving a voice to the less fortunate
cannot stand when people blame teachers when its their own incompetence in a subject
e.g will get so angry when Li complains about 'how she was supposed to know that europe is not a country if farres never told them' in an exam on the european union
gets mostly a's, some b's big fat d's in art im afraid tho
she knows the struggles of teachers given that her mother teaches elementary students so isn't ever really too disrespectful (with limits, she sometimes joins in on banter)
Kim
has a lot of potential, but tends to be demotivated when she compares herself with the 'smart' people
what she doesn't realise is that she could be as 'smart' as them if she also put in the same effort as them
she does let her grades slip at some point, but she never does so deliberately
complicated history with studying, i forgot if it was her mom who dropped studying when she was her age and then went back to it once kim was in high school (mentioned in the ep with iris' party), but tries her best to not let down her parents
sat next to violette who was too scared to sit on the same row as amber and company, but wouldn't have minded sitting further back
you will never catch her dead getting herself involved in class
during her time being tutored by nath, he challenged her to answer a question in class
he called her a coward, basically, so she did it ONCE to defend her honour
but then once became a few times as she became more confident with her abilities
graduated with b's, even a stray a in the mix
would never admit it but she's very thankful for nath and candy's help and appreciates the supportiveness from her friends + family to not quit on trying in school
if you look at her during class, you will know exactly what she is thinking about - it's all on her face
doesn't understand class? furrowed brows, pout and frustrated mumbling while she scratches away at her page
is annoyed at amber's stupid remarks? rolls her eyes to the back of her head so hard
got a good grade? her eyes sparkle just a little bit, "no violette what are you talking about i just got some dust in my eye-"
overall wins the idgaf war i love her
Violette
so debilitatingly shy bless her heart
will NEVER open her mouth in class
if she is asked to answer kim will jump to answer umprompted, a la priya
"sorry sir i thought you were asking me"
"is your name violette?"
all of her notes have a new 'doodle' in the margins
but the doodles are like
masterpieces
mostly portraits of her friends, kim and alexy taking the spotlight
as well as her dad
and maybe her mom? but she tends to get emotional so she reserves those drawing for outside the classroom
karla tried to pick on her one time for drawing in class and kim scared her into not messing with anyone for a whole week, and violette ever again
people are so supportive when she actually makes an attempt to speak, even castiel knows to shut up with his sarcastic remarks
but then the silence freaks her out and next time u will hear her will be in 2 business years at least
or karla laughs at her stuttering or something (looking for amber's approval) but that happens only once thanks to kim
amber and her friends don't pick on her much, simply because they prefer to go for girls that they are jealous of and she never draws their attention
Rosa
is the type of student to have 1000s of excused absences
leigh signs her permission slips and stuff and since the headmistress can't be arsed to do her job properly she gets away with it lmao
actually gets by well with exams
she already has a dream to move onto the fashion industry so she isn't too worried about her grades
chismosavirus #1 she will always be the first to be called out by teachers for trying to gossip in class
she's always super offended by the scolding even though its 100% true
"i was literally whispering!! besides, your date with [crush] is way more important than trigonometry"
"we had a map of asia on the whiteboard, rosa"
candy always has to stop rosa from strangling amber and co. everytime they pick on her best friend
"it's not worth it rosa"
"you are way too nice, if i were you they would be dead in a ditch by now"
"what?"
"what?"
does people's makeup or gives tips during homeroom if they ask her to
she loves it
or sometimes candy's hair during class
"this is not a beauty salon girls"
does it anyway
Candy
depends on the player ofc, but she's obviously shown to have high capacities in school if she applies herself - so her grades are entirely up to her
theoretically sits next to rosa, but since her best friend doesn't come to school too often people sit next to her if they feel like it (like our route or alexy hehe)
chismosavirus #2 bcus rosa infected her and also that how she is by nature
doesn't cause many problems in class, and only includes herself in the banter of the class if she is directly dragged into it by the back rows.
sits in front of the witch crowd and is sadly a victim of their annoying teasing
i love her but she cannot defend herself for the first 30 episodes of the series i swear
she does sit in front of charlotte, who is the 'chillest' of the trio so she usually gets peace in class if they feel like ignoring her
besides, she REFUSES to change seats because of them - she would never give them the satisfaction
Iris
the backbone of the class for sure
is surprisingly good friends with castiel so she's the designated 'peacemaker' if its a small thing (not if theyre literally about to punch each other, she's not suicidal)
and also gets along well enough with most people fine enough
"if someone is acting mean it's probably a mistake" my girl is too good for this world
genuinely tries her best but is lost in class like, 80% of the time
barely passes her exams but she passed so you go queen
she's not like, stupid, but school is not the path for her
laughs at stupid jokes that the more extroverted people make in the middle of class, but isn't usually the one to start anything in class
participates if asked to
doesn't mean she gets the questions right
isn't picky about who she sits with, was the only one who was willing to sit next to karla
so that's where she ended up
Karla
so she obv chose to sit next to amber's friend group, even though its obvious she's not really a part of their group
ALWAYS acting out to bully anyone as a way to 'prove' herelf to them
people tend to ignore her, like flat out
she's so forgettable that teachers even forget to rlly punish her for any out of line comments
actually good at school, but hides it as much as she can
because of this, and other things, charlotte respects her the least - shes basically dragging herself across the floor for their approval
plain annoying but forgettable
never really makes good friends with anyone - comes close to it with melody (but them both have self esteem problems and make it everyone else's problem, so ig that's why they get along better than others) and iris but because shes enemy to no one
Charlotte
most 'quiet' of the witches trio but doesn't mean she's not as cruel outside of the classroom
gets respectably high grades, but could get much better if she tried
also strong contender of the idgaf war
but you can never really tell what she's thinking of people when they speak in class
or at any point
keeps to herself and her friends but loves to jump at the opportunity to be mean to candy by whispering shit to her
is the more indirect type of cruel, will give karla the silent treatment, literally does not acknowledge her ever
she hasn't stuck gum to candy's hair by now because of rosa's presence, she's annoyingly perceptive,,,
when she leaves school Li takes her place
outright refuses to answer any question that farres asks her
"ms charlotte! would you mind sharing your answer with the rest of the class? it was exceptionally well written"
"i would mind, yes"
sat there bcus amber sat there
Amber
she is so annoying god bless castiel's soul
sat in front of him as "an infallible flirting tactic"
"trust me Li - doing it in the long run will have him at my feet by next month tops"
is the type of girl to throw her hair on top of the table behind her
castiel tried to cut it once in retaliation once he saw that she wouldn't get the hint when he pulled on it anytime she did it
"he was too shy to try to braid my hair, i'm subtly giving him chances to make him go crazy for me. trust me li trust me."
literally only sat there to try to get with castiel
he couldn't give less of a shit, is incredibly annoyed by her
and chooses to ignore her
has barely passing grades, but she lies about it to her parents
besides, they tend to pay more attention to nath's results
"what can i say, i'm just daddy's little girl"
... moving on
always sprays 2000 spritzes of perfume and chokes armin because she does it in his direction
"AMBER i'm going to die from asphyxia if you keep spraying that shit liquid on me"
"MR KEENAN LANGUAGE"
"i didn't know you knew what the word asphyxia meant bro"
"shut up alexy"
always has the most stupid things to say
it has candy sighing loudly
"SIR CANDY IS TELLING ME TO SHUT UP"
"I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING"
"YOU THOUGHT OF IT"
"WE ALL DID"
outright annoying
tends to insult candy, armin, alexy, and kentin the most but her preffered pick will always be candy
Li
genuinely stupid holy shit
"europe is a very big country"
surprised she didn't fail her final exams
insisted on sitting next to amber but since there were no more tables she just pulled a chair next to her
farres tried to make her move but she ignored him lmao
if it's a more strict teacher she moves next to lysander before priya came in
after that she used the excuse that there is no other seats to stay there
took charlotte's seat when she left
out of the three, makes the stupidest remarks
doesn't initiate the bullying, but its always her just repeating anything that amber or charlotte say like a parrot
literally bird brain
not much to say, doesn't involve herself in class
mostly looks at herself in the mirror during class or browses high end clothing stores online
loaded asf so has convinced herself that grades don't matter
will be the death of her parents one day
Alexy
came in after most people and wanted to sit near his brother so they sat at the back where there were three seats available
armin sat next to castiel because he was more 'covered' by the three girls in the table in front of him to play his console
so alexy ended up sitting alone in the table next to armin for a little until kentin showed up
lowk a blessing for him bcus we all know he was defo into him
always one of the most talkative, or to join in on jokes that his brother screams out in the middle of class
not a class clown, but usually the one to start interruptions in class
he doesn't even intend to interrupt, but he likes 'commentating' on what is going on - his words
okay at studies, is indifferent to his grades and has no pressure to do well by his parents
this seating arrangement was the cause of him becoming closer to kentin - even if they never became anything that alexy would've wanted to, he appreciates their time spent together
teases kentin in class alongside his twin
peak 'people in the back row' meme type shi
brings snacks to share with the back row
armin, alexy (and kentin even if he likes to complain) are usually messing around a whole lot but tend to go unnoticed
Armin
sat at the covered seat next to castiel so that his teachers let him play his games in peace
type of person to put his console behind an upside down book
has a surprisingly peaceful coexistence with his table buddy
castiel hates that he calls him irl table moot
catch him playing on his console 90% of the time - the 10% is Delanay's classes
calms down with it over the years but never abandons his gaming
he's gets frustratingly high grades considering the little attention he pays in any of his classes
speaks in brainrot
can't stop himself from spouting out the most chronically online shit in class
it's so strange one would think he is playing videogames and not paying attention and then will just
"can someone tell me what is the name of the city that is being covered by my finger right now?" "LMAO KID NAMED FINGER"
all while having his eyes glued to the screen of his PSP
only candy sometimes laughs if shes his route bcus she's equally as nerdy
if not it is met with the most awkard silence
he's so unfunny bless him
everyone but alexy question his sanity but eventually get used to it
likes to have 'back row basketball' competitions with his brother (and kentin, who they always manage to pull at least one attempt out of him) where the first person to get a piece of paper into the bin next to mr farres' table wins
mr farres has given up on trying to stop them
he's just used to flying balls of paper whooshing past his head
atp who cares, as long as they don't hit him
or they also try to see whoever manages to land a spitball on amber's head without her noticing for the remainder of the class
castiel likes to join in on that one
Kentin
came in a bit after the twins so had limited seat choices
didn't really feel like sitting first row with lysander and also wanted to have candy in his line of sight so he went for the seat next to alexy at the back
says he regrets it sm because the 'twins are so annoying' but never made an attempt to change seats
"oh kennykins~ when will you ever let me give you a style change from those horrible military style pants??"
"you can't escape from my brother on a fashion mission kenny"
"IT'S KENTIN i can´t stand the two of you"
also okay at his studies, his dad only cares about his results in p.e tbh (angst material again but ill ramble in another post)
is kinda iffy aboout sitting in the same row as castiel but will never admit it
besides the twins are like a buffer zone so it's okay
doesn't stop castiel from laughing at them bullying teasing him
kentin gets so defensive bless him
"WHAT DID YOU SAY- SAY THAT AGAIN IF YOU DARE"
"KENTIN GO OUT TO THE CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW AND CALM YOURSELF DOWN"
and it was just castiel releasing air through his nose to laugh
he pretends he hates the back row but he has to admit that he has the most fun there
made his best friends there literally (not castiel tho sorry king)
and its kinda a release from the expectations to be a 'man' from his dad and just to be silly with his friends
and now im getting angsty lets move on
if candy is kentin route and he sits with her some time,,,, oh lord
when he goes to sit at the back row the next day he is received as some kind of cheating husband coming back to his unstable wife
"so i see you finally got bored of us"
"its okay kennykins *sniff* we understand that we will never be her"
"you are breaking our hearts and you don't even seem to care"
"the betrayal,,, how can you even come back after all that you have done?"
this continues on for the rest of the day until kentin agrees to buy them lunch
Castiel
does not give af
bad boy cliche - sits at the back, feet on the table and doesn't write down a single line of writing if he can
chose to sit at the back simply because he doesn't care for classes
finds armin entertaining, even if he calls him 'irl table moot' and generally doesn't really understand any of his jokes
does find the twins´ jokes funny if its them making fun of kentin
also doesn't care for kentin being scared of him or trying to pick a fight in class
is on the verge of strangling amber anytime she tries her weird ass flirting on him
him being salutatorian at graduation is so funny to me because he proved that all that his teachers gave him shit for "because you will never get passing grades with your behaviour" and here he is
only time he contributes to class is to throw snarky remarks at people - mostly nath ofc
sarcastic man apocalypse and he is their king
will sit next to lys if he feels like it sometimes but he is mostly allergic to breathing the same air as 'first row smarty mcfuck boy" (one of his many loving nicknames to nath <3)
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