#first thoughts

Seeing Neteyam again was nice, I missed him tbh

I'm sorry but where was the devils vortext this entire time??? I'm pretty sure when Tsireya showed them the spirit tree in atwowo that was not waht it fucking looked like, hella cool though

Spider and kiri were so obvious in the entire movie like c'mon man

Kiri pulling of Spiders mask had me freaking out like EXCUSE ME

Sorry but what the hell was jake thinking bringing all of those guns back to camp. I mean sure we don't want the RDA to get them again I guess, but...don't do that dude. You the left the Omatikaya who you rallied into an army for the saftey of the Metkayina and now you're bringing them guns too? I stand by the fact that going to Metkayina actually did nothing for the Sully's expect spread the war across Pandora.

LO'AK FIXING NEYTIRI'S BOW WAS THE CUTEST AND SWEETEST THING IN THE WORLD HE JUST WANTS TO BE LOVED.

Ngl I'm pretty sure quaritch was lost way before he met Varang or any of the Mangkwan...he was just hell bent on Jake, and as many problems as Jake caused I honestly don't think the RDA need him that badly. Sure it was good press when they caught him but I don't think he was as high on the prioity list aas he seemed

Jakes comments when he was fiddling with that explosive arrows were a low blow, he's hurt and he greives differently I get it but those comments were targets and false actually. Because he did bring a fucking prayer to a fight. He did it in the very first movie.

Neytiri was having such a hard time adjusting to being in a new place where she clearly didn't belong and now her son is dead, she really had no time to adjust at all to anything

I fucking love Payakan so much and the fact that James has said he wasn't supposed to be a big character is insane to me

SPIDERS MASK LOSING POWER IN THE NIGHT WAS NUTS. AND NEYTIRI JUST STANDING THERE. I KNEW SHE HID THE MASK FROM THE START THAT IS EVIL. And Jake clearly kniwing, giving her a look. But not...saying anything important or chastising? Like...how the fuck? I hated watching his little body seize like that...it was Jake in A1 all over agian.

Am I the only one who watched Spider just kinda plainly say "I'm ok" as him being like. "Sorry that's my fault please don't worry about me or percive me too much" Idk as someone who never really wanted to be percived because often my discomfort or hurt was "inconvinent" I really recognise what he was doing. He wasn't saying "I"m ok" because he was good he was trying to get them to stop worrying as quickly as possible.

The market scene with the wind trafers was actually so amazing, it's one of those little scenes that doesn't really hold any significance but it's part of the wider world building and character bonding and I just really like it. Watching Lo'ak follow Tsireya around to see all the things she wanted and Spider being silly. It's really cool and sweet

Jake deciding, almost on the spot to send Spider away the day the wind traders had come (or maybe even asking Tonowari about it days prior and setting something up then) is disgusting to me. Especially when he says that "this not a democracy, not a family" even as his kids beg and plead with him

The switch from "Jake" to "Mister Sully" actually broke me heart. What do you mean the boy who grew up with your family, who was raised (hardly) beside your kids and has form strong bonds with them is using formal terms with you as he begs. What the fuck is wrong with you Jake.

It is so clear from the get go how bad Jake is at being a dad and I won't make any excues. SO many adults say things like "well there isn't a hand book" "no one taught me how to be a parent" is so bullshit. All you have to do to be a good parent is to be a good person. First and foremost. Treat your kids like people no matter how young, because Tuk is 7 and clearly knows exactly what is going on. I hate how bad of a parent he is and he just got worse and worse. He was not made for having kids at all.

The windtrafers were the coolest ever, like are you kidding me? SKY PIRATES?!?! THEY ARE SO COOL

Jake is so fucing hard on Lo'ak. He's just downright rude, in the same way authortraian firgues uses respect as a measure of humanity. It's digusting. Jake. That is your son. Treat him like one, not like a solider

Ngl I kinda didn't just expect the Mangkwan to just show up like that...so they're just the Genocide Squad of pandora??? I didn't like that at all

Leaving Spider, Tuk and Kiri alone wasn't the worst move ever but sometimes I wish Lo'ak did listen. Jake is a bad dad but he seems to have been a good marine but...ugh whatever I can't even fault him he's trying his best.

Lo'ak's ikran dying was not what I thought was going to happen and to be honest I was so shocked it happened so easily and freely... like the fuck it's just gone

Spider shooting, not only once but twice at a mangkwan was actually nuts, there also ain't no way he tried to stab him too. THAT DUDE WAS THREE TIMES HIS SIZE AND HIS KNIFE IS FUCKING TINY THERE IS NO WAY HE WAS REALLY GOING TO FIGHT THAT DUDE. The lengths Spider has gone to in an attempt to keep people safe is admirable, he deserves so much better.

The fucking kamikaze Mangwkan rider was fucking nuts. What do you mean you are the fire?!!? DUDE!?!?

Neytiri is badass. That is MOTHER

Let me get this straight. Neytiri can get an arrow in a pretty signficant part of her body that has the potential to bleed a lot, and fall THOUDANDS OF FEET ONTO THE GROUND and she survives, but Tsu'tey doesn't? Idk man I'm just saying, she's got plot armour right now

I don't know why but I genuinely didn't think that cutting of the Kuru would straight up just kill a Na'vi. I thought they would just be really in pain for a while and then they would get depressed from being cut of from their world. Which is arguably worst but still, I did not think that's what would happen.

The way the camera stayed unfocused when Lo'ak killed one of his own people for the first time was a really cool effect. Varang then cutting the bullet out of them was fucking nuts

I love that everyone is trying to make sure Tuk is ok, making sure she's focusing on them or things that are stable. Helping her stay above water, holding her. It's all so sweet to see them caring about her

Quaritch really just will not leave Jake's ass alone (I don't ship them BUT JUST KISS ALREADY)

Spider really is just a barginging chip isn't he... wow

This whole movie was just a trauma show, like no one knows peace and no one make it out without at least one horrific injury.

Wathcing Kiri geet desperate like that is actually heartbreaking to the point where my neurodivergent ass couldn't deal with that. I mean I feel for you girl I get it but oh my god (but I guess that's props to Sigourney)

I wonder if Spider was concious whilst he was slowly running out of air in this moment or if the seven mintues without oxegen process has started. Yk how when you're bascially dead you still have 7 mintues before you're dead dead? Yeah I wonder if he knew about anything in these moments.

THE SCENE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!! IT WAS AMAZING SEEING SPIDER BREATH WITHOUT HIS MASK, SEEING IT FOR REAL I WAS SO EXCITED and slightly traumatised.

I love how I'm pretty sure he full on tried to bite Varang. Like sir please be serious right now lmfao

I was kind of surprised when I saw what Varang was like up close, they'd only shown her badass moment in the clips. I was really not expecting her to get afraid the way she did so often. I'm not critiqing her character or her actor I"m just saying that she felt a bit pathetic at times, which in hindsight after seeing the whole movie makes sense but I guess I just wasn't expecting it.

The jump cut to Quaritch showing her how to use the gun was stupidly funny.

Seeing Neytiri the way she was back at high camp actually broke my heart. Tarsem was so caring and Mo'at was right there for her daughter too. UGH MY HEART

I'm sorry but what was the purpose of getting Jake and Quaritch lie face to face so fucking close together? Like were you just trying to bait the toxic yaoi shippers james? You basically handded it to them on a silver platter

SO are we just not really going to adress all the things the kuru can do suddenly? I mean since when did it have enough muscle to move of will???

Jake and Quaritch were literally like "I'm tired, you're tired. Let's kill each other tomorrow instead" LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

"This world goes much deep than you can imagine" is such a hard line from a man who really didn't end up respecting that depth

I'm sorry having all those files up on Spider was just so creepy. Quaritch's obsession with Jake is military, it's about revenge and pride and strategy. But with Spider? It's honestly down right disgusting, he lets them do whatever he wants with them and as soon as they fail he swoops in to "save the day" as if he's the better option. It's obsessive and it's near predatory and I am sickened by the actions Quairtch takes to attempt to eprswade Spider. The emotinal manipulation is thick and I'm so glad Spider didn't choke on it.

I kinda thought we already hashed out what Kiri was? In subtext...I don't know why this conversation need to be had.

No offense but Norm and Max have no say over whether Kiri gets to connect to Ewya or not. Again their understand of her issues come from a mix of human science and pandoran botany, which isn't enough.

Jake flips back and forth a lot about how he feels about Spider. First he saves him when he suffocates in his sleep and then he sends him away, when they rescue the kids he tells Quaritch that he's an amazing kid and defends him when Neytiri says they should just kill him outright, but then he's completely incompassionate to Spider for bascially the rest of the movie and then tries TO KILL HIM. Jake explain yourself right now

Neytiri threatening Ronal was out of line, I don't care how hurt or frustrated she was in her recovery you cannot threaten a pregnant woman like that (or any one for that matter) let alone the Tsahik who is helping to heal those wounds. That was such an unjustified blow even if the two of them ahve barely been civil in the past.

Sending Paykan away was evil to me specifically (and loak)

Jake and Lo'aks fight should have been more explosive in my opinion and I can't believe Jake said what he did, you cannot blame him for that! YOu can't place that entire burden on Lo'ak! And then go off to drink?? What the fuck?

I'm glad we acknowledge that fact that Neytiri fell in love and had kids with someone who used to be human even if Jake is na'vi now but the fact that she admited she was actually ashamed because they are mix was not was I was expecting at all. What do you mean Neytiri??? God that was brushed over a little too quickly for my liking (btw jake that hug was an awful apology)

Lo'ak trying to kill himself was not on my bucket list but god fucking damn it was not a compelling scene. I feel like there are people there that might see this is a stupid or used for dramatic affect but when I tell you that it doesn't take much for people who are already low to jump to drastic conclusions being told that your worst fears are true that your dad blames you for your brothers death, yeah I'd probably shoot myself too. God I cried so hard. Especially when Tsireya and Kiri came to find him at the very end. I need to know how they knew.

Oh Spider bonding with and Ilu (and subsequently Kiri) was just too cute. Strange scene to cut to right after Lo'ak if imma be honestly but I'm not complaing that much

That whole scene with Varang and Quaritch in the middle of the mangkwan village was just...I've already spoken about it, it's just insane. BUT I WAS NOT EXPECTING A FUCKING DRUG TRIP?!?!!? THAT WAS SO WEIRD TO WATCH. I was sitting next an old couple the whole time and I'm just like...oh jesus.

I wish we got to see more about Ao'nung's, Tsireya and Spider's tattoos. You get those after something important, so why was there no context? No montage or story? Just nothing at all

LO'AK GIVING NEYTIRI BACK HER BOW WAS SO BEAUTIFUL AND SO FLEETING, WHY WAS IT SLOW QUICK?!?!?

Ngl when Neytiri shows Jake her repaired bow I though he was going to throw it or smash it, I'm not kidding I was so unsure and untrusting of Jake holding something so precious.

Lo'ak is going through it, and he's really going through it alone huh...