#episode 102

Lingthusiasm Episode 102: The science and fiction of Sapir-Whorf

It's a fun science fiction trope: learn a mysterious alien language and acquire superpowers, just like if you'd been zapped by a cosmic ray or bitten by a radioactive spider. But what's the linguistics behind this idea found in books like Babel-17, Embassytown, or the movie Arrival?

In this episode, your hosts Lauren Gawne and Gretchen McCulloch get enthusiastic about the science and fiction of linguistic relativity, popularly known as the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. We talk about a range of different things that people mean when they refer to this hypothesis: a sciencey-sounding way to introduce obviously fictional concepts like time travel or mind control, a reflection that we add new words all the time as convenient handles to talk about new concepts, a note that grammatical categories can encourage us to pay attention to specific areas in the world (but aren't the only way of doing so), a social reflection that we feel like different people in different environments (which can sometimes align with different languages, though not always). We also talk about several genuine areas of human difference that linguistic relativity misses: different perceptive experiences like synesthesia and aphantasia, as well as how we lump sounds into categories based on what's relevant to a given language.

Finally, we talk about the history of where the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis comes from, why Benjamin Lee Whorf would have been great on TikTok, and why versions of this idea keep bouncing back in different guises as a form of curiosity about the human condition no matter how many specific instances get disproven.

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Here are the links mentioned in the episode:

Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany on Goodreads

Lingthusiasm episode on the linguistics of the movie Arrival

History and Philosophy of the Language Sciences podcast episode 31: The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis

Lingthusiasm episode 'Colour words around the world and inside your brain'

Wikipedia entry for 'Edward Sapir'

‘The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis’ by Harry Hoijer (1954) (archive.org)

Wikipedia entry for 'Ekkehart Malotki'

Wikipedia entry for 'Hopi time controversy'

'Key is a llave is a Schlüssel: A failure to replicate an experiment from Boroditsky et al. 2003' by Anne Mickan, Maren Schiefke, and Anatol Stefanowitsch

'Do Chinese and English speakers think about time differently? Failure of replicating Boroditsky (2001)' by Jenn-Yeu Chen

'Does grammatical gender affect object concepts? Registered replication of Phillips and Boroditsky (2003)' by Nan Elpers, Greg Jensen, and Kevin J. Holmes

'Future tense and saving money: no correlation when controlling for cultural evolution' by Seán G. Roberts, James Winters, and Keith Chen

Lingthusiasm bonus episode ‘North, left, or towards the sea? Interview with Alice Gaby’

'Samuel R. Delany, The Art of Fiction No. 210' Interview by Rachel Kaadzi Ghansah for The Paris Review (unpaywalled photos here)

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Lingthusiasm is created by Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne. Our senior producer is Claire Gawne, our production editor is Sarah Dopierala, our production assistant is Martha Tsutsui Billins, our editorial assistant is Jon Kruk, and our technical editor is Leah Velleman. Our music is ‘Ancient City’ by The Triangles.

Both Zoro and Nami talk about why they joined Luffy in the first place, their reasons and what it means to them, and it's something that serve to reassure their two most recent members so they feel more secure about Luffy. It's cute.

Also, we have this. Luffy was ragebaiting left and right this episode lmao.

Ted: Oh, hummingbird!

Tucker: Yeah, it’s the only hummingbird in like the northeast.

Ted: What do you think of that, Schlatt? What do you think of hummingbirds?

Schlatt: They’re okay I guess. Are those the ones that like…

Ted: What? Do you wanna do that again for me, champ?

Schlatt: [Scoffs] No.

Schlatt: I’m thinking of woodpeckers.

Ted: [Laughs] Okay, yeah you are.

Schlatt: Thinking of woodpeckers. Yeah that’s a woodpecker.

Ted: Yeah, you definitely are. Based on that movement, I was like ‘what the fuck did he just do?’