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Hello, friends. Iâd appreciate a signal boost on this, if you donât mind.
Do you do business with DoorDash? Have you ever? Iâd like to recommend that you go take a quick look at your statements for the last six months or so from your financial institution for any cards youâve ever used with them and make sure that they havenât been billing you for anything you havenât explicitly authorized. Iâll wait here while you do.
The reason I ask you to do this is because I discovered on Sunday that DoorDash went ahead and signed me up for something called #DashPass, apparently a âloyalty programâ that has a recurring monthly charge but offers free delivery from certain restaurants for orders over a certain amount. I didnât ask for it, and I certainly wouldnât have opted into it: By the time they started charging me for it in August, I hadnât placed an order with DoorDash for six months or so:
Yes, thatâs my complete order history with DoorDash. Iâd done business with them several times over the first few months after Iâd moved to Denver and found them to be uneven: sometimes the delivery took forever and the food arrived cold. Sometimes the drivers wound up being surly. Once or twice everything was fine. But it always cost more than it should, and usually more than competing food delivery services. And never was there a great selection of restaurants to order from.
So no, I never wanted a loyalty program I had to pay for. I had no motive to sign up for a recurring charge with a service Iâd totally stopped using six months earlier because they had nothing to offer me. That didnât stop them from signing me up for something called #DashPass in August. Or perhaps the free trial that I didnât opt into silently went into non-free mode in August. Itâs hard to say, because they havenât bothered to answer my questions about how it was that I got signed up for this thing in the first place.
Because I assume they must have some explanation, and if they were decent and honest and competent, theyâd have tracked how and when I opted in. It must be stored somewhere with the rest of their customer information about me. They should, in theory, be able to say something like âOh, you opted in on February 9 by tapping âOpt-Inâ in a pop-up in the iOS appâ or âYou clicked a âsign upâ link in an e-mailâ or âIt was bundled with your order from that pizza place.â But what I've got from them instead is a series of chirpy PR verbiage that does nothing but try to reframe their non-consensual appropriation of money from my checking account by way of my Visa debit card as something other than theft that violates Visaâs terms of service:Â
Notice how theyâre describing their theft of money from my wallet as if my complaint were that, having opted into this service, it turns out not to have been for me. This is all Iâve had from DoorDash in response to the nearly $30 they stole from my wallet: apparently intentional misreadings of my complaint as if it were just the case that Iâd signed up for something that didnât work out.
So Iâd like to say it again: I didnât sign up for this. Iâve got no motivation to sign up for this. I wasnât using the service. Even when I was trying out the service, it wouldnât have saved me enough money that it would have been worth signing up for, and (youâll notice) I never once placed a single order with DoorDash during the time that I was paying for free delivery on certain orders with certain restaurants when the order meets a certain minimum. I certainly wouldnât have said, âBy Christ, yes! Iâd love to pay $120 a year for a premium access to a service I havenât used in six months and have no intention of ever using again!â
But DoorDash wonât tell me how they think I signed up. Or when. What they did do, youâll notice, is offer me a refund on my âlast payment (December 16, 2018).â This is particularly insulting: theyâre offering me a refund on a payment of $0, because my December payment bounced, because my checking account was low. (That was how I found out I was signed up for this thing, in fact: DoorDash didnât send me an email when I signed up for a âfree trial.â And they didnât send me an email when my free trial was converted to a non-free enrollment in something with a recurring monthly charge. But they did send me an email that said, in essence, âThat thing that you didnât know you bought? Our fourth automatic payment that weâve been charging bounced.â)
Itâs worth noting, too, that the reason that they had to unsubscribe me from #DashPass themselves is because the unsubscribe link for the #DashPass is broken. Thatâs right: you canât unsubscribe yourself from the thing that they went ahead and signed you up for. Only their technical support team can unsubscribe you. From the recurring charge you never intended to subscribe to in the first place.
After I told them that a refund of $0 for the current month and no refund of the $29.97 theyâve helped themselves to since August, they told me this, via email:
Thatâs right: whoever is handling their social media and email has handed off my request to return the money to some unspecified other team. Some black-box process will give me a response âsoon.â (They have not responded to multiple requests to say what they mean by âsoon.â) You will notice that they have once again reframed my claim that they have defrauded me as a ârequestâ that they thank me for âbringing [...] to [their] attention.â
So I would like to say a few things in response to this.
The first is that this is a scummy way to do business. Maybe theyâve got some understanding of the situation that some lawyer has assured them technically crosses all the bars for legality. Maybe permission for this is buried somewhere deep in their terms of service or in something I clicked past when I ordered a pizza and didnât read and ponder extensively because I was hungry. I donât know: they havenât explained their side of it. But signing up inactive users for a recurring charge without being perfectly certain that they understand whatâs going on and consent to it is slimy. âWeâve got a rationalization for why weâre helping ourselves to money from your wallet, even though you havenât done business with us for six months, and our understanding is that technically everything weâre doing is legalâ might be, well, legal. But itâs dishonest and scummy and it preys on the vulnerable in order to enrich a group of corporate douchebags.
The second is that I kind of wonder how many other people are finding that DoorDash has just gone ahead and reached into their wallets and fucked them without fully informed, opt-in consent. Iâve already spent enough time writing about this on social media that a full refund will mean Iâm getting paid less than minimum wage for the writing Iâve done. Even if you ignore the fact that conflating a refund of money out of which Iâve been defrauded with pay is already weirdly fuzzy thinking. Defrauding a large number of people out of a small amount of money and making sure that takes a lot of effort to get that small amount of money back helps to ensure that some people donât bother. Which is a net profit for DoorDash, but a slimy way to make that profit.
The third is that theyâve responded poorly. The right way to respond to customer complaints about fraud is to investigate and resolve them immediately. What DoorDash has done instead is reframe a complaint about their theft as if it were just something Iâd changed my mind about using, then delegate some other group of people to render a judgment, without communicating with me any further, on some unspecified timeframe. All of this is condescending and offensive. It shows a lot about how DoorDash sees their customers: DoorDash customers are supplicants. When defrauded, customers are expected to patiently wait while DoorDash evaluates a situation in which they themselves have a vested interest.
I also have three asks here.
First, would you look back through your own statements for any cards that youâve ever used to pay DoorDash, if you didnât before you read through this post?
Second, would you consider avoiding doing business with DoorDash in the future? There are other food delivery companies out there. There are probably some that donât try to fuck their customers over in small ways in the hope of keeping some of the money they steal. (On a not-entirely-unrelated note, Iâve realized while reading up on DoorDash lately that they have more complaints about how they treat their employees ... er, âindependent contractorsâ ... than many other food delivery services.) Part of the reason why corporations fuck over individuals is because they can. Insofar as our existing economic system allows âthe marketâ to make decisions, one of the better ways that we can keep from getting fucked is for the individual actors who make up âthe marketâ to avoid doing business with companies that fuck over individuals.
Third, would you consider reblogging this so that other people know how DoorDash is doing business, and so that other people know they should go back over their statements? If you go back through my post history, you will note that I have never once, until now, explicitly asked to be reblogged. Iâm asking for it this time, though.
Thank you, friends. Iâm glad to be back, and Iâm sorry it took this to get me back to this community. Iâll post more soon.
https://gofile.io/d/Y9q4HI (10 days of inactivity expiration)
Here is a summary of my data
1 order a month, if your subtotal is 12: Get dashpass. You will save 4 dollars in one month.
1-4 order a month, if your subtotal is 12-19: Get dashpass. You will save 1-4 dollars in one month.
5+ orders a month, if your subtotal is 12 or more: Get dashpass.
If your subtotal tends to be $30 and you order 15 times a month, you would save 35 dollars. I feel like the average group or family usually spends 30 dollars on their subtotal.
if it's any less, you are only losing money by getting the subscription, and you shouldn't get it.
My calculator also includes uber eats and grubhub+'s subscription. I am not completely sure on how uber eats subscription works so take that with a grain of salt. I would appreciate it if someone helps me get accurate data on Uber One that doesn't leave any doubt.
I don't seem to have luck on getting the actual benefits and savings from any of them by searching online actually, so I am only completely sure on grubhub+ and dashpass because I don't have uber eats right now. Grubhub+ and DashPass I verified by placing orders and seeing how much it's saving since I have those two.
My calculator also shows DashPass is the best subscription, but because of Doordash's minimum fee if you usually spend less than 20 dollars GrubHub is the best without a subscription. I don't have accurate info on Uber, so Uber might not be the worst and there are cases where it's better with the data I have.
I canceled my DashPass a week ago. I really wasn't using it, so I didn't want to waste the money. Today, DoorDash decided to charge me for another month. WTF?!?
I contacted DD immediately. What is with all these unauthorized charges I have been getting hit with lately? It's unreal.
Of course, I have SSs as proof that I canceled and that DD illegally charged my card. They are refunding me, but it will take a week to go through. So, they take 5 seconds to put an unauthorized charge on my card, but I have to wait a week for a refund. Unreal.