#bp asks

Caution: her birth time would’ve clued us in more about the ‘foreigner’ part of her chart specifically, but since we don’t have her birth time I’m very limited on what I can say about her in this area. I hope you understand 💕

Let’s touch on her aspects, Lisa might have a T-Square in her chart. 

Note: I said might because it’s aspecting Scorpio - Aries- Capricorn and not Libra-Aries-Capricorn. The Scorpio placement is at 0′, and it is aspecting both the Aries and Capricorn. Since it’s aspected, it might be unconventional but I’d consider it a T-Square, because the result would still put Capricorn Neptune in the Apex position. 

With Capricorn Neptune | Scorpio Chiron (at 0′) | Aries Mercury. 

Aries Mercury and Scorpio Chiron are in opposition to each other (aspected) making Capricorn Neptune becomes the Apex of the T-Square.

The Apex of this T-Square is the point of ‘focus’ or where the pressure lies.

The individual with T-Squares in their chart may find themselves stressing the Apex in order to progress/fulfill their goals. Often times, T-Squares are action-oriented and possesses an incredible ‘drive’ to achieve. The stress factor is mostly mental/emotional strain. Manifestation of what and how they’re achieving their goals comes from what is in the Apex.

In this case, it’s Capricorn Neptune. With Capricorn Neptune we look at the Capricorn for what it is she wants to achieve (material success, long-term stability, expendable resource in the future) and the cardinal nature of the T-Square (Aries/Capricorn and what could’ve been Libra) points to a stress regarding identity.

Stress about identity in this regard is how the individual want achieve it through practical means. With Capricorn, it’s often through earning recognition, acknowledged accomplishments and material expressions of the self (like photos, fashion - tangible things)

This is the main source of stress for the individual, since Capricorn Neptune makes the individual yearn these successes but also fear them at the same time. It’s a dream/hope they want to accomplish, but sometimes they fear that it could come as  ‘too much, too fast, won’t last’ at the same time.

When it comes to the T-Square, it often points to an individual trait that is a bit unrestrained. There’s an ‘action-oriented’ nature to the person. It pushes them into impulsively taking the chance on achieving what’s in their Apex. In this case, there was no way to stop Lisa from what she perceives as ‘material success/long-term recognition’ — her career and moving to Korea for an opportunity at this. Is possibly a result of her Apex/Capricorn Neptune.

Now that we’ve established that Lisa is driven strongly by her Capricorn Neptune. Let’s look at the other square/opposition placements.  

With regards to Aries Mercury - square- Capricorn Neptune. There’s a possibility that she may have trouble with either over-processing her goals  (stressing it out) or finding ways to escape thinking about it. 

When aspecting Aries Mercury, this can also mean incredible concentrating power. When she shuts off her mind and just do something, it aligns the Capricorn and Aries together into a similar language (action-orientation) and thus– Capricorn brings actualization to Neptune’s idealization through Aries Mercury’s help.  

This is something she might have to learn, but in terms of ‘routine’ – this ‘routine’ might be her ‘escape’ from what it is she’s stressed about. Dancing, in particular, or focusing on the ‘now/work/achieving dreams’ help dissolve her stress in other areas of her life. 

With Scorpio Chiron - Square - Capricorn Neptune, it might give us a glimpse of what she fears/stresses about. Scorpio Chiron are self-empowered individuals. Often times, the main cause of pain might come from feeling powerlessness in themselves (and overcompensating for that) or fearing their own power/strength and trying to suppress it completely. 

Considering Lisa also has a Scorpio Moon, it might possibly be the latter. Scorpio Chiron can also point to pains regarding sudden loses/significant transformation in their life that impacted them emotionally/spiritually. As well as inheritance issues or fights for power/dominance. 

With Chiron, it’s always important to note how their pain can heal. Healing means they become stronger each time they break, and often more insightful and experienced as well. 

With Scorpio Chiron- squaring- Capricorn Neptune; Neptune that rules the intuition, dreams and creativity/spirituality may be blocked. The person can swing either way; they are extremely spiritual or they completely block themselves from spiritualism in order to gain ‘conventional’ success.

This means the individual can avoid ‘realities’ they associated to their stress. A spiritual person can avoid ‘reality’ by resorting to spiritual means, while a ‘realist’ might avoid spiritualism by appearing to be a very pragmatic, logical and rational kind of person. Interactions/merging of the two can happen, but often time it reaffirms the individual’s discomfort with the ‘reality’ they’re avoiding and leaves them feeling ‘hurt’ or ‘don’t belong’ more. 

Too much of something leads to a ‘break down’ eventually. Chiron-square-Neptune points to over-indulgence in order to ‘relax’ the tension. For the person themselves, not suppressing their Neptune/Chiron can be hard to do. But learning how to relax Chiron first can point to better understanding, and then possibly eventually supporting their Neptune later.  

As for Scorpio Chiron - opposition - Aries Mercury, this talks about communication and considering the two Mars-dominant signs– the ability to communicate/teach through demonstration or action. 

Chiron in opposition to Mercury points to someone who can want to communicate something, but the point they got across is something they didn’t mean to say. Or thinking they aren’t communicating properly, but the other person got it instantly. It’s a misalignment of desiring to teach/heal (Chiron) and their under/over-estimation of their communication abilities. 

In Conclusion:

What I’m trying to imply here, is that Lisa may be focusing more on her ‘escape’ (Neptune) by single-mindedly blocking herself off from ‘distractions’ (Chiron/Neptune) in order to achieve her dreams (alignment to Neptune). 

She does this by exerting herself in other areas (Aries/Capricorn Neptune) that may point to being somewhat ‘productive’ to her goals (Mercury/Neptune) So she doesn’t have to face an aspect of her ‘reality’ (Neptune) and her personal ‘demons’ that haunts her mind/emotions (the T-Square). 

Sometimes, xenophobia/prejudice can be something much simpler to solve in your everyday life if there are other stress factors you may find personally challenging to your immediate well-being.  

 **Xenophobia does happen and is still a very big problem. But from what we can tell, facing xenophobia or prejudice from Korea is something she has knowledge of and is still willing to take the chance anyways. What she’s escaping from is –to her – a far bigger problem to her mental/emotional health than xenophobia/prejudice right now. 

Lisa has an incredible tenacity to her and a ‘water-off-my-shoulder’ disposition (Scorpio/Aries). This may apply to her happy-go-lucky attitude and where it came from, considering how the T-Square is unstable when it could’ve been the Grand Cross.    

A way to help the T-Square is to see that ‘missing house/sign’ in the opposition to Capricorn. Which would point to Cancer.

Cancer represents a lot of things, but it also talks about emotionality, the home, mother/childhood, femininity and therefore– the lack thereof in the individual. 

I’m implying a lot of things here and it’s getting into the dangerous territory. So I’m going to stop here.

With regards to routine, again it has to do with her natural perseverance and determination to see her goals achieved/fulfilled. The main motivation to stay focused/concentrated comes from that Capricorn Neptune, and it’s well-supported by her Aries placements. 

Ending Note

This probably isn’t what you were expecting when you sent in the ask, and this isn’t what I was expecting when I started answering this ask either. 

I really wanted to go into  talking about prejudice and culture and all that good stuff but we kind of need their birth-time to look at how ‘others’ are impacting them (rather than how they ‘react’ to the others - which is largely a part of the placements themselves *with regards to specifics being in their aspects/houses that can shift/change)

For the relationship thing, she is independent you’re right and she has a few aspects/placements that can indicate her constant growth/pursuit for change and self-improvement. She’s head strong in herself, and her multiple Scorpio/Aries placement (aspects to pluto/uranus) might make her seem like the type to seek constant stimulation.

But the part about having difficulties with long-lasting relationship probably isn’t true. Just because a sign is in detriment when it’s on a planet doesn’t mean it indicates someone who struggles to build long-lasting relationship. 

The sign is working to fulfill the planet’s duties as faithfully as any other signs, the behaviour of the sign in the planet is unconventional, but her aspects such as sun-venus and venus-saturn (conjunct) indicates a strong-willed person who sometimes does thing for the sake of principality/loyalty to the subject.

The behaviour of Aries usually leads to wanting to confront the problem/get it over with (**emphasis on the ‘want’: they want to but sometimes they don’t). At the same time, with her sun-venus she tends to hesitate a lot before talking to someone about it.

Her inner-depth is usually reflective of her inner-insecurities and self-comfort (Moon) and thus she might judge something based around how much she knows of herself/how much she can handle and then working that as a ‘base’ for someone else as well (being ‘considerate’ for them in a way - Aries Sun/Venus).

Considering Aries Venus reputations and how people think they’re usually really bad at lasting long in a relationship, as a Sagittarius Venus I have to stand up for them. The problem in Lisa’s chart isn’t her Aries placement, it’s more about how she handles her inner-insecurities and if she expresses them at all in the way that’s good for her. 

From what we can tell (generally) the things she aligns herself to generally do tend to last just because she pushes for it to endure (pushes herself to endure) – she’s resourceful and find her own way to create her own stimuli within the realms of what she’s given (within a constructed ‘box’ of her already-made decisions). 

The problem was never her not lasting long in relationships, the problem is how she deals with her own constriction/weight of her inner-subconscious and not pile it on to herself even more (not knowing when to confront/let go of something when she needs to do it)– rather. 

So yes, she is independent in a way that she wants to be self-sufficient. No, she doesn’t have problems making relationships last, but she does have a problem with balancing herself (inner-> outwards) sometimes. 

As for the sexuality thing, there’s ways to check through astrology for attraction in different shade/ranges (same sex/different sex, platonic/romantic, different types of sexual ranges) – for those of you interested in astrology generally (not-specific to lisa). 

But to check for someone else, sexuality/gender-identity is something the person themselves has to have a choice to express it or not. And it shouldn’t be assumed by the astrologer’s interpretation, before the other person makes their choice. This is just out of respect, privacy and personal rights of someone else. I don’t have the authority/right to express something so personal as her sexuality to the internet. Even if she herself confirm/denies, there’ll be allegations against her anyways. People think what they want to think, but not putting their own words/messages first and taking our opinion/thoughts before theirs undermines their personal freedom.

I hope that’s not too harsh, I wasn’t trying to be mean or anything, I’m just trying to say there’s moral decisions to be made. The field of sexuality can be studied (through astrological lens) but it shouldn’t be presumed of someone without their consent/decision on the matter. (Coming out is a constant fear/anxiety for people in regards to any field/astrology or otherwise)

Even if it’s not the specific ‘pair’ we ship-- when we try to manage/organize someone’s life (like ‘they can ONLY be with these people because their social-standing/chemistry is the one that suits each other’) it’s a form of abuse. 

Someone else dictating/controlling how someone else should feel, live or go/do something is abuse. We don’t tolerate it in our daily life, and we don’t tolerate it with idols/public figure.

Between two consenting adults, about their own personal/private lives. I wish at the very least, we have the decency not to abuse them like that.

With that said, shipping is fine. Just as long as we don’t try to have an Agenda for someone else, most content creators have a ‘muse’ and a need to express themselves. 

Some writers use idols as muse, but they’re always conscious that the purpose of writing isn’t to ‘dictate’ the idol’s life. What they write in fiction, is just for self-expression and for the love of the medium/muse. Same thing applies for shippers.      

Anyways, that’s neither here nor there. As for JK-Lisa, personally for me– I can’t imagine it NOT being Lisa kicking JK’s ass constantly about everything, even when it’s not about business. Lisa as a person, is made up of so much Aries in her and JK’s Virgo especially might be kind of like ‘?? tf???’ about it– even when they admire/respect each other’s strength greatly.  

That’s the shortest answer for it, there’s other factors in there too like possible physical attraction or wanting to ‘help’ each other make up for their flaws that’s also part of the relationship. 

Let’s expand on the points i made in the earlier post (at the end) 

Since Lisa is made up of 3 signs (personal planets/luminaries - Aries/Scorpio/Virgo) JK might bring a lot of tolerance, expansion and lessons for her to learn. They have a few mutual signs (in different placements) and we’re going to be looking at how they’re working together as well.

Straight off the bat, Mars-conjunct-Moon (Scorpio) with JK bringing activity, self-realization/actualization and focus onto Lisa’s emotionality, wants/desires and subconscious self. 

If we’re talking about them individually, From her chart reading, Lisa’s Scorpio Moon helps her Aries fuels alot of it’s desire by working deeper to get what she wants. Self-actualization will be really helpful to her, since it’s squaring her Jupiter and Uranus. Meaning she might be finding herself having a harder time connecting to it or realizing the good points of her Moon compared to say her Sun/Venus.  

Since Lisa doesn’t have aspects to her Mercury/Mars. Most of her energy are concentrated in her Sun, with her challenging aspects in her Moon and then a few more external energy (easier ones) placed in her Venus. 

That’s not to say, she hasn’t worked through her challenging Moon aspects yet. I think she probably has, creating an awareness of how to utilize/use her inner-depth and analytical nature (like how she manages to ‘read’ the choreography in a few seconds) but because all of her energy are focused on the practical aspects of things (Aries/Virgo) a lot of the emotionality of Scorpio is brushed aside/invalidated sometimes. 

The self-frustration occurs when it’s challenged against Jupiter/Uranus, but also just how it fits in her overall placement. Self-actualization in terms of emotionality and accepting all her emotions without withholding the ‘overwhelming’ feeling is good for her to have. 

With an abundance of straight-forward Aries energy, the complicated Scorpio will benefit a lot from a Scorpio Mars bringing clarity/vision to herself even more. 

At the same time, JK’s chart relies heavily on his Libra/Virgo placements. Alot of the time, Scorpio Mars isn’t seen as directly as well. This internal energy is much more methodical than Lisa is. It brings structure and clarity in a limited, easy to digest way that may be controlling, but also an easy ‘how to for beginners’ guide on utilizing/understanding their Scorpio better.

‘possible physical attraction’ 

Moon-Mars aspect points to physical passion, urge/drive. From Jungkook’s part to motivate, guide and self-actualized his Scorpio himself as well. On Lisa’s part it may just be straight up attraction, admiration and somewhat desirability. Whether this is talking about wanting each other physically or wanting what each other has is something else. There’s a lot of admiration and respect in this relationship for each other as individuals. 

Lisa’s straight-forward energy (in her Aries) brings youthfulness, joy and an abundance of light-hearted playfulness that JK oversees/looks after. It’s endearing to see because it’s very friendly and compatible, but depending on the person it might not be what they want to have for a romantic relationship in general. 

JK’s energy has to go through careful deliberate stages to ‘unlock’ parts of himself and integrate it altogether (see his chart reading) it has to all be synergize together for balance (Libra) and that might mean he takes a lot longer/more time in doing so. 

Limiting part of his placements to only the thing he has already unlocked, compared to Lisa’s energy who is mainly cardinal (Aries Sun/Mercury/Venus) she might understand emotionally that he needs the time and is very accepting of it (Scorpio-Leo Moon) but at the same time, she can’t help pointing easier ways/tactics to ‘just go for it’ either.    

‘admire/respect each other’s strength greatly’

Another thing to note is Sun-sextile-Moon (Virgo/Scorpio) Think of Virgo as the secretary to Scorpio here, with the core-essence and desire to help bring/highlight the better part to Scorpio’s emotionality. Virgo has enough sensibilities/sensitive touch to bring out/pull the softer emotions in Scorpio forward and validate that core essence. 

It provides a mutual feeling of belonging, since Scorpio realizes itself better and gives back in kind. Pulling the Virgo’s nervous/restless energy into a more streamlined and focused energy. 

Think of Virgo energy as sun-rays, with Scorpio being able to pull out the brightest one and gather all the other ways together to ‘organize’ the Virgo’s life/core essence/energy this way.

This is what they both want, as Virgo and Scorpio individually. Virgo wants to simplify it’s own life efficiently. While Scorpio wants to truly dive deeper into its own depth and understands itself from the inside out. 

It’s a powerful combination, especially since it’s in the luminary. The effect of it is better self-development internally to externally. A lot of mutual benefit to do with this aspect/placements. 

‘wanting to ‘help’ each other make up for their flaws’/ ‘JK’s ‘??tf??’

Saturn-conjunct-Mercury might also be relevant. This support brings discipline, clarify but also persistence to both individual. However, with Mercury as a personal planet– there’s always some kind of ‘this is my life and i can’t help but feel you’re not as understanding/involved as I’d like to take your comments/work hard on it’ – like not feeling appreciated in a sense.

There’s always some kind of comments that might be a ‘bad apple’ in a pile of good ones. Mercury takes Saturn’s comments easily and adapt/utilize it to better themselves. Yet at the same time, sometimes because of Saturn’s distance away from the sun the impersonal stance bugs Mercury and becomes irate at Saturn for pointing it out.

This isn’t a big thing at all, but combined with Lisa’s Aries in abundance it might feel more like a boxer in a ring with their coach telling them what to do all the time. The lack of independence/autonomy/appreciation might bug them if it goes on for too long.

Another thing to note is their difference, Aries and Libra. 

As opposite signs, these two actually have a positive chemistry towards each other because they can balance, match and be different at the same time. 

With individuals who has strong Aries in them (and those with strong Libras) building up this appreciation by themselves individually/intuitively is better than forcing them together.

There’s a lot of golden opportunities between Aries/Libra to truly connect and create a ‘wholesome’ development for themselves, often making up for what they lack and finding the collaborative promise (instead of compromise/being forced together) better if they get to experience it themselves/make the choices themselves.  

Overall, there’s a lot that is compatible with their combination. But this is all at a deeper/intuitive level. 

Most of the time, compatibility fails to talk about the obvious/surface (‘it is what it is’) things, which is why it shouldn’t dictate one’s relationship.

You can’t ignore the obvious ‘what they want in a romantic relationship’. A person’s conscious energy on deciding what they want for themselves is always the utmost important.

‘Lisa kicking JK’s ass constantly about everything’

As for the ‘Lisa kicking JK’s ass’ thing – that’s me acknowledging her abundance of Aries and how it plays to the shallow/surface level tone of their dynamic. There’s a lot of fun to be had in the relationship, one of those people who’ll try to compete with one another in Mario Kart or banter with one another. 

(Although it might also cause problem, considering Aries/Scorpio and a lot of pull from either side –without compassion/understanding for one another– tends to lead into each other being selfish about their directions/desires. But that’s a minor problem in the overall scale of things.) 

They’re both able pick up on each other’s weak-point, hence the ‘ass-kicking’ because they do it quite blatantly (but kindly) and has a ‘dont bullshit’ me attitude towards each other’s flaws (like, ‘dont bullshit me you’re better than that’) 

Conclusion

I pointed out the shipping thing in the earlier ask because the desires of the people is important. As well as not taking it too far even with good compatibility ‘results’ (and not ignoring the obvious ‘ass-kicking’ part which contributes to the surface level/how other people will see their relationships as well)    

These things, compatibility can’t dictate but people can. And people who think they have power by reading into a relationship/seeing all these results, might use that to abuse their power over someone’s life. 

We don’t get a say in their relationship obviously. But think of it as some kind of authority/control over someone else’s life is not a way to use astrology.

Again, I hope you understand why I’m so cautious when I give these kinds of answers.💕

I don’t want to fuel ship wars, and I generally like to stay away from ships that could people like to see in a romantic light. 💕

I have no authority over the subject, and I don’t want my words to be taken out of context or misinterpreted if I can help it. 💕