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astroloquacious replied to your postānottheliterati replied to your post āa deep thought maybe? on...ā
Ah, ignore my prior comment then. I do think (queer) people know what demi-bi is, but if it doesn't feel like it fits, it doesn't fit. (Explaining your identity to non-LGBT+ community members or people who don't have at least one close LGBT+ friend.) is a whole 'nother story.)
See, I never heard that one, and it sounds an awful lot likeĀ ādemi-boyā which is like, a whole separate other thing on a different axis entirely. But like... I mean, itās not that I never hang out with queers at all, so itās weird to me that Iāve never heard it ever in all this time and feel like I had to put all that together from scratch.
And sorry, I think Iāve lost some replies in the shuffle of a real busy offline life today, but someone (oh, it was you, LOL hi) pointed out that they donāt know anyone whoās both demi straight-- and i think thatās an important relevant point too, and Iād expand that to be monosexual in general either straight OR gay-- it seems to me like being demisexual tends to also have a super high co-incidence of being bi/pan, because if your model of attraction works that way youāre clearly generally operating on some different level or axis thatās not the ānormalā (i.e., the way we have any language at all to describe) way attraction works. And there was definitely an earlier reply or reblog from @salamanderinspace that has by now scrolled off my activities pane where they mentioned having attractions based on totally unusual aspects of experiences, and maybe itās that ace-spec stuff like this just isnāt examined much?
Oh yes, hereās the reblog. an excerpt:
For a long time I identified as asexual, but Iām not asexual, Iām very much a sexual person and I feel both arousal and attraction⦠itās just extremely rare that I genuinely experience those things for PEOPLE. Ā Much more often Iāll feel attraction around fictional characters or types of artā¦when Jenny Slate says sheās had sex with the moon, I feel that. Ā I have sometimes felt aroused by pictures of body parts, but more because theyāre pictures than because theyāre body parts; Iām feeling more of a connection with the photographer and the story theyāre telling than the subject.
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But I think what we need really is actually a whole system of new words which describe - NOT whether you feel attraction, and NOT who you feel it for, but what is the specific attribute or mechanism that causes you to feel attraction/arousal.Ā
really, though, the whole reblog is so interesting-- and like, yes, yes, that the attraction is not necessarily sexual and shouldnāt be taken to be about sex, itās more than that and itās different than that!!
I think itās a fuckinā shame that Ace Discourse has taken over to substitute a fucking pointless discussion of Whether Aces Are Queers for a meaningful and fascinating discussion that I think could be super illuminating about the really, really different ways a lot of people experience the spectrum of attraction-- I really think thereās an entire universe of non-allosexual modes of attraction that have nothing to do with, like, gender, classical physical attractiveness, literally anything Hollywood has ever heard of, any of the things that stand for Sexiness in movies, etc.-- thereās just a whole universe of stuff that is super, super normal, but we totally lack any way of discussing it. And since sexual attraction is a thing so intrinsic to a person, itās basically impossible to understand someone whose modes of it work radically differently than yours.
Like, I genuinely, literally cannot comprehend what it is that like ānormalā allosexual straight people experience when they see some boring straight person in a bar and are like āThatās The Oneā-- It is as incomprehensible to me as, like, calculus. I know calculus exists and is like, a kind of math or something, I think thereās letters in it sometimes, they use it for like spaceships and things, but thatās as much as I could tell you. I know ālove at first sightā exists and I totally know there are people who only like, say, brunette chicks with slim thighs, but I canāt really tell you anything more concrete than that and I canāt actually begin to comprehend what it would be like to experience life like that.
So the problem with IDāing as bi or pan simply because I experience attraction independently of the subjectās physical sex or gender presentation is that it feels very distinct from people who are bi or pan and experience attraction dependent on the subjectās physical sex or gender presentation, if that makes any sense?? It feels like an entirely different thing, not that I couldnāt find common cause with such a person? but i often feel so weirdly alienated by bi memes that are meant to be in-jokey, LOL.
girderednerve replied to your post āa deep thought maybe? on demisexualityā
this is So relatable, i too would like to be able to describe more or less how i feel or approach attraction with some term that doesn't require a three-minute explainer & a vetting process. it feels kind of frustrating that most of the language available here seems designed to describe (/pathologize?) behavior instead of express attitudes & emotions, but what's new, right?
YES. I guess really thatās what Iām objecting to-- I have always, always hated how pathologized it all seems, and how itās like. You have to have a 3.5x5ā³ laminated card with 1000 words on each side to explain your gender identity and the pride flag you specifically are entitled to wear (like a clan tartan) (you need a genealogy to show youāve the right to that one) (like, am i bi through the distaff line if Iāve had oral sex with a woman, can you squeak me in on a technicality even if Iāve been celibate, I paid my dues by almost getting expelled from boarding school for getting discovered naked in bed with a girl, listen I always bought drinks at the drag karaoke night Iām in the system, how does this work) -- ugh.
Like-- all of this is complicated and I shouldnāt be able to boil down the entire essence of what makes me, me, and how I love and who I love and why I love and when, to a simple phrase, but god, it would be nice to have some more nuanced language around some of this, it would be nice to have something to explain this entire spectrum, which is maybe more like a color wheel, which is maybe actually more of a kind of sphere, which is actually maybe a bit more like the branches and roots of a tree, which is really kind of more than a single mind can understand because itās a part of the whole of the existence of living things on this planet and beyond--
anyway I just wish I had a way to talk about what gets dismissed as āthe ace spectrumā where I could explain some of this without launching into a whole deal about it.














