#amon clan

Yakuza - ??? - Amon Clan Takeover!

also amon genjosai:

Spoilers I guess for Y7 if you haven’t already watched/played

I wanna talk about the difference in these fights between the two sets of “shadow clones” (not sure if that’s the official name of this... technique? or just what the fandom’s decided upon?)

Both Majima and Amon use “shadow clones” against the player. They’re labeled differently though, which I think is interesting.

The Amon summoned clones are “thought entities” so I’m thinking like, some kind of servitor?

“Within chaos magic, a servitor is a psychological complex, deliberately created by the magician for a specific purpose, that appears to operate autonomously from the magician's consciousness; i.e., as if it were an independently existing being.“ (via Wikipedia cuz Idk how to explain it myself)

Me going off on a tangent about why it’s probably a servitor and not a tulpa [you can skip it if u dont care about thoughtform witchcraft stuff] There’s also a similar thing called tulpas but I don’t think that’s what we’re dealing with here. Um... so truthfully I’m not entirely sure the difference between a tulpa and a servitor but I think it has to do with a Tulpa being more of an independent entity, whereas a servitor’s more like a robot, conceptually speaking? Someone called “5lender” on reddit described it like this: “Servitors don't have emotions nor the sentience that tulpas do. Servitors are more like robots than people.”  (Yeah, I had to google “tulpa vs servitor whats the difference” lol)

But anyways you can see my logic here, hopefully. Servitors are a kind of “thought entity” in a way. Like clearly those aren’t literally Kiryu, Majima and Saejima; they’re basically NPC “robots” of the characters that seem to be devoid of emotion or their own personality.

Majima’s clones are different; they are labeled just “Majima.”

When I first saw his shadow clones, I was like “hah wtf did he pull a Kiryu and astral project himself in like, four different directions?” (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, go watch this Y6 sidestory.)

I didn’t know if Majima was using servitors or his own energy but now that I’ve seen the distinction drawn between shadow clones, it would seem to be more the later. Y’know, I mean potentially. I mean, who really knows wtf this shit was supposed to mean to us when the developers put it in? LOL

This is gonna sound fuckin’ weird, ‘cuz it is. So bear with me ok? So, It seems like Majima’s shadow clone technique is probably, for some reason, he’s keeping a part of his soul, energy, whatever u wanna call it, in his physical form but then splitting up some of it and projecting it outwards. Now, what benefit this has I’m not sure... you’d think it would weaken the host/vessel to split up your energy like that, ykno making the physical body vulnerable? But I guess it would lend you the ability to attack from multiple angles at once, and it’s just creepy too so it could be an intimidation tactic.

Like, I don’t think he’s using servitors because its labeled “Majima” not “thought entity Majima.” It’s labeled like its a part of him.

after that in 2 he comes back, angry that kiryu is the first person he ever failed to kill, now bringing along his 3 brothers kazuya (dual wields axes), jiro (guns) and sango (rocket launcher. this one got a hat.) that fight kiryu before him, as of now, he's still pretty much a very flat character with no notable traits outside of being kinda salty about losing the last fight and having trained pretty heavily to beat kiryu this time, even stealing komakis ultimate technique.

In Y3 is where he actually gets a bit more screentime, he's actually the reason that one scientist with the street fighter mind machine shows up, and he was actually assumed to be behind the assassins that kiryu had to deal with in a long side quest, thought that was actually that one dude with the red suit from Y1s fault. Here he for one proves that he isn't just an incredibly skilled fighter and assassin but also incredibly smart. The training machine thing is actually his own invention that

he had the scientist create for him again just as a test. It also explains why, even beyond mine, the final boss of the virtual fights is a replica of kiryu, even thought kiryu would have no experience of fighting himself, obviously. Then when they have their showdown, he actually explains his clans philosophy and just how much it differes from kiryus philosophy. "Kiryu never killed a guy" is pretty much a meme, but for Jo Amon pretty much the exact opposite is the case and its a great contrast.

the amon clans philosophy is that killing is part of life, and is a completly fundamental part of life, because nothing can even survive without ending something elses life, like how humans cannot survive without consuming meat or plant life, so they have to kill. The reason he is so salty about losing to kiryu is the fact that a) kiryu is the first one to ever beat him, like, ever and b) the fact that he considers it incredibly disrespectful and dishonorable from kiryu to let him live, because

by refusing to kill him, kiryu is going against literally everything that jo knows and his very life philosophy, especially after beating him twice already, not just once. After beating him for a third time then, he threatens that he'll just kill people that are close to kiryu if he refuses to execute him, yet kiryu still refuses to give in, continuing to keep up his refusal to take a life, while amon is devastated that he is in fact refusing to take his life. I think Y3 is his most interesting

appearance (up until Y5, haven't finished it or 6 yet). In addition to that, earlier in Y0, he actually fights majima while his dad fights kiryu, having had a dream that kiryu would destroy his clan. In his fight with majima, we actually see a kind of dorkish side about him, because before the fight he actually tries to think of a cool line to say when facing down majima, still being in training rather than having taken over his clan. Interestingly, in 0 he also wears the hat that Sango would

wear in Y2, Y4 and Y5, so it seems that the hat goes to the Amon second in charge. The fight in and of itself in 0 is very interesting, because he perfectly copies majima and kiryus fighting style, and in addition to that, he actually fills up majimas inventory with fake healing items and Amon Pocket Tissues, making it very likely he wasn't actually taking the fight all too serious, essentially just having a warm up fight against majima while he's still training to be an assassin.

In (chronologically) later games he has a tendency to play a card carrying villain laughing at just how evil and powerful he is, which also leads to more and more ridiculous fights and attempts to take down kiryu. From a rather straight forward fight in 1, to stealing komakis techniques in 2, to using guns in 3 to just straight up buying/creating an orbital laser to just blow up kiryu from space in the middle of a fight, to whatever those roombas in 6 are, Amon gets more and more desperate to

finally win against kiryu, and it adds an honestly very amusing edge to his constant attempts and threats. In addition, he is also willing to team up with kiryu in kiwami 2 for the clan minigame thing, to ensure that no one but him actually gets to kill kiryu. Amusingly enough, with his ancestors appearance in ishin, the amon clan seems to have invented sunglasses in feudal japan, just for the sake of looking cool. I apologize for spamming your ask box with this essay on Jo and the amon clan.

What a great essay, thanks for catching me up! i hope i didn't garble the order while I was pasting the messages! fyi you forgot to put the asks on anon after the first one so I KNOW YOUR IDENTITY but I'm not going to post them in case you are embarrassed to be known as the world’s foremost scholar of the Amon Clan. So you are still the Amon Anon to the public >:)

I agree that all this is interesting and worth thinking about in more depth. It almost sounds like Amon is the perfect foil to Kiryu’s “life no matter what” philosophy, which he applies to himself as well as others (despite a strong internal instinct to self-sacrifice). I also definitely have a soft spot for characters with a strong sense of their own honour who feel fatally slighted at not being killed by a character who has bested them in combat. So you can bet that I’ll be keeping my eye out for a certain assassin as I slowly play my way through y0 and then y3-5 (I doubt I’ll ever get to fight Amon in Kiwami 2, because I think you have to get 100% on everything to unlock the fight and I can't play golf to save my life).

Yakuza - ??? - The Amon Clan