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It's extremely telling that the only "arguments" I have seen against endogenic systems are:

1. Appealing to ignorance by saying the lack of current scientific evidence for endogenic systems must mean endogenic systems don't exist, when in reality it only means there is a lack of conclusive proof either way.

2. Arguing that endogenic systems are inherently and intrinsically ableist for simply existing

3. Hatred borne out of personal suffering being displaced onto those who do not suffer or do not appear to be suffering

4. Personal experience with some endogenic systems being used to justify hatred against all endogenic systems

None of these are real arguments. They all rely on completely faulty logic, appeals to emotion, and petty prejudice.

Is our mere existence that disgusting to you? Are you that determined to make us feel uncomfortable and invalid? Do you really feel that eager to completely reject our experiences?

Endos get no respect in most system spaces that claim to be safe spaces.

Plurality is such a broad spectrum, and the tags are supposed to be inclusive to anyone experiencing any form of plurality. Anti-endos and sysmeds should not be using plural tags because they are so set on plurality being only traumagenic, only disordered, this hyperspecific criteria that puts the rest of us at risk of at best hate, and at worst threats or suicide.

It's really not that hard to accept different experiences from your own. You wouldn't do this shit to people of a different sexuality or gender or race or disability, hopefully at least, so why do it to plurals? Autism and other disorders and disabilities exist on a spectrum, everything does. Why can you acknowledge that, but not when it applies to plurality?

There is no one set experience all humans—not just humans, but nonhumans, alterhumans, kins, and therians as well—are supposed to live by. It would be bullshit to assume that or try to force it onto anyone.

I have blocked them on my end since they are active here on Tumblr but I would just like to warn those who are thinking about it to know that the app is very strongly anti endogenic, polyminds, supporters of those , etc. As displayed in their pinned post here ↓

And to those who are anti Endo who think "I'll sign up bc of this stance" or those who wish to use the app despite that since "how would they know I'm Endo (/supportive)". There are currently privacy concerns as well because of them 'having their ways' to be able to look through your systems data to make sure and ban your acct. Which can be found here from an ask they answered ↓

In what ways they will 'find out if you are Endo / Endo supportive' is unknown (to me at least) but I wouldn't be surprised if they would go after those who use terms like 'mixed origins' , more specific origin/-genic terms , those who don't wish to say their origins/ -genic label , terms commonly used / made by the plurality & endogenic communities ,etc.

For me at least I would say to try and stay clear of the app & their socials for your own peace, safety, and privacy. Also please do NOT go after and harass / witch hunt them. This is NOT a post telling you to go bombarded them or be mean or rude , this is a post simply to inform the community.

(Small edit as of writing this post)

It has been brought to my attention as well by a mutual that they will at first be going about this through looking at their user bases social media pages as seen down below. It is still an unsure answer as to if they will look into your accounts data since they haven't outright clearly denied it so it would still be the safest to not engage with them. ↓

Anti-endogenics are ableist. I do not welcome ableists on my account.

[ID: Anti-endogenics are ableist. I do not welcome ableists on my account.]

I am a mixed origin system. Specifically protogenic-traumagenic-stressgenic, meaning we were plural for as long as we can remember, far before any trauma happened, and when trauma did occur our plurality skyrocketed and dissociation grew worse.

And before y'all come here saying "oh so you're faking" - I'm literally diagnosed with DID.

Being endogenic =/= not having a dissociative disorder, and being traumagenic =/= having a dissociative disorder.

Even the DSM agrees (and although I don't think the DSM should be considered gospel, many of you anti-endos use it like one.) See my breakdown of that here [link.]

I am so disappointed if you felt comfortable coming onto my account while believing I'm not real. My headmates existence are not a "debate." We are not a fucking "stance point." You're either for our existence or you're not.

Why is it that every dissociative disorder can occur without trauma except for plural dissociation in y'all's minds?

DPDR can occur without trauma. Maladaptive daydreaming disorder can occur without trauma. Dissociation is not trauma exclusive and never has been.

Fuck right off with that total bullshit, and fuck right off with the idea of plurality being inherently dissociative anyways.

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