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I keep seeing posts about why Tim gets such intense hate for contradicting and nonsensical reasons which increased after he came out. No need to mince words guys, it’s because of homophobia. They know if they just outright say it that they will be crucified for it so they use Tim (even more so poor Bernard) as their scapegoat.
Okay, I'm sure things have gotten worse because I've seen it. And especially in certain areas he gets a mix of what I will allow to classify as homophobia (targetted because he's dating another man), and also very specifically biphobia (the loud increase and insistence on calling him a cheater is definitely this, as well as quite a bit of erasure I've seen).
However.
2021 did not invent Tim being specifically hated for stupid hypocritical reasons, and I have some other theories.
You see, every part of fandom absolutely loves glazing their favs at the expense of anyone that doesn't make that list for them personally. No one is an exception. Tim is very much not an exception.
But why do specifically the haters of Tim feel so comfortable with their hypocrisy and in such an extreme?
As much as people will gripe about how very annoying Tim Drake fans are, the majority of his fanbase is remarkably chill about suggestions of violence toward his character, and a whole bunch of other things you'd get skewered for if you were talking about literally any other character.
Imagine going to in literally any other Bat's tag and saying you want them to die. Imagine how that would fucking go over. Not great!
I've never done that, but I've been called terrible things for criticizing one of the other characters I actually like for doing things that were in canon.
There are certain groups of fans I am actually a little scared of. Even if I'm also a fan of that character. They can't hurt me, but they give me the type of anxiety that encourages avoidance.
You know who's fans don't scare me, even the really really annoying ones? Tim Drake's.
People can talk shit about Tim without being jumped on, just some people being "annoying". And to be clear that's good, like please don't start jumping on people. Do not let that be the takeaway here.
But that's a factor.
Also a factor is that people consider him an acceptable target. Kind of circling back to the phobia this started with, people who will call you racist for not liking a poc character (regardless of the reason) or sexist for not liking a female character (regardless of the reason) will not call you biphobic for not liking Tim Drake. Now, I don't think anyone is automatically any kind of bigot for not liking a character that just happens to be that, unless they have a pattern of not liking characters in that category, or especially if their reasons are hypocritical. But I do think that there is a sense that since the canon nature of a character's sexuality is potentially changeable, that it's easier to consider that not intrinsic to them, and therefore something that can be disregarded when considering someone's reasoning for hatred in ways that people don't give the same leeway elsewhere.
And I think it's easier to hide bigotry behind all that. Because "no, that's not why I hate him, it's all these other "moral" reasons".
Additionally, I find there is a tendency to attribute all of Tim's privileges as extending to his fanbase as a whole. It is not only "okay" to hate the "rich white boy" character, but also all of his fans. And absolving themselves of any wrong doing in being aggressive at these real life people as a whole (instead of specifically at people being awful) simply by being a fan of a character who is not one of those things. Which is absolutely not how the world works.
As far as Tim and Bernard, I'm going to just copy something I said in a discord server earlier today, because I find it relevant:
There's also something I've seen in other fandoms as well, where certain types of shippers hate to see a man with another man other than the one they ship him with very specifically, because in their heads, they justify their ship trajectory with guys canonically in m/f relationships as "he was secretly gay and not really into her", so if the man is bi and/or discovers that with a man other than the one they want it to be, that shatters their fantasy of the one true love
Because for some reason admitting the guy actually loved anyone he was with in that way bothers them
And yeah, I do think it's biphobic. And sometimes very specifically biphobia via people that think gay characters are acceptable, but one that was canonically into girls but now has a boyfriend isn't.
But people try to reframe it into something noble.
And they can hide it behind whatever happened they can pick to criticize "before it was canon", so that it doesn't visibly count as something so objectionable.
Despite the fact that whatever characters they don't object to do the exact same or very similar shit.
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- i’ve never understood how iambic oentameter works im sorry 😞
it's okay anon, i know it has something to do with bumBUM like twice?? (vaguely recall this being explained to me) so. idk, ig im just gonna have to accept hate that isn't iambic pentameter bc i can't identify it on my own 😭
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Jackbat sucks because Jack is not a dilf
Bruce might be hot but he is such an ass
really the whole ship is fujoshi filth
everyone who likes it should go touch grass
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guys i didn't pay attention when we were doing shakespeare in class, and i only memorized a little bit of macbeth but then forgot it. is this iambic pentameter?

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he was evil and i hated him, but he was also really funny, and i had fun hating him. he invaded some guy's house to steal all his toys. he went overseas and immediately started a war. the entire time he was quoting military greats.
he should have stayed eleven and pretentious. with a stupid ass haircut.
RIP ULYSSES ARMSTRONG YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED KEEPING YOUR STUPID ASS HAIRCUT and not accidentally murder your siblings
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some of you will post this panel and pretend they know what its from and then ask who ulysses armstrong is
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I just think everyone should take a moment to consider the question "what is your visual shorthand for cruelty?" and then follow it up with a critical "and who taught you that?"
specific examples include but are not limited to
why is an evil timeline character design disabled? (why do the heroes go through equally punishing battles and never lose an arm, a leg, an eye?)
why are the futuristic scifi terrorists uniformly darker skinned? (why are the heroes so much lighter?)
why is the greedy boss fat? (why are the heroes skinny?)
why is the criminal mastermind heavily scarred? (why is the brooding, traumatized hero unscathed?)
why is the predatory creep a bearded person in a dress and makeup? (why are none of the heroes trans women?)
who taught you that this is how things are?
how long do you plan on repeating it?
guys the point is "reflect on how you have learned bigotry through exposure and you parrot it in your own works and in the fandoms you engage with without self awareness" not "tell me, specifically, what random motifs you think are evil"
on the flipside, to everyone adding notes about hooked noses, turbans + headscarves, nonwhite features and cultural clothing in general, mental and physical disorders, and surely others I've missed in recollection: you are entirely right and should say it.
Anon hate is now being accepted but only in iambic pentameter
When ur mutuals w/ some cool ass people rb if u agree

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Bart Allen feeling awkward about all "love conquers all" stories because his family was NEVER lacking love, and he feels a lot of love for members of his family, but it certainly never saved his father or his aunt, it didn't keep him with his mother, it didn't keep him in Manchester, it didn't make anyone believe in him, and it didn't keep his friends alive but then he remembers it did help save Max once and he thinks maybe there is something to it after all, it might not be the most powerful thing out there, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
Mostly he hates the implication that the reason why people who love suffer is that they didn't love enough, or weren't loved enough by someone else, and frankly it's bullshit.
There is immense power and nuance in love, but it and it alone cannot save the world.
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i like when there are multiple barts on the page. like yes. he is, in fact, everywhere at once
hello do you think that baby!tim was out there watching jli news clips and cutting out newspaper clippings and magazine articles and shipping blue beetle and batman and writing rpf orrrrr
Omg I love this character he's such an eldest daughter malewife birthing hips mother hen submissive and breedable slut waist pathetic baby. I headcanon him as a trans man btw.
We're all aware that changing one aspect of this while otherwise adhering to the rest or changing "trans man" to "trans woman" doesn't make this better right. Like we all know that this is a shitty stereotype to apply to trans people full stop, right. Obviously everyone knows that this can't be solved by going "well I headcanon that pathetic trans man as a top in bed" or "I think all of this means she's really a pathetic trans woman" but only by questioning why we associate domestic and sexual availability and servitude with transness. Right.

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Happy pride month everynyan
"...yeah ...besides, who'd ever buy a super-hero called 'the green batman'? i mean, that's almost as dumb as--"
"the blue beetle?"
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