CHAOS, CHAOS!

1. In-Universe Asgore is a Gaster theorist.

2. Gaster In-Universe is basically just hometown’s version of the devil.

Sensational Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #28. Art by Clayton Crain.

Entwined 🧡

catty and bratty, two characters that in deltarune hate each-other because of how similar to each-other they are. each calling the other a copy of themselves.

I noticed in the room in chapter 4 with the wafers surrounding the philosopher.

ALSO has some interesting things going on.

(its that damn ‘green character and a character associated with pink being pissed off at each-other despite being similar’ motif again)

When only the wafer or the organikk are unpetrified, this room is fine. They’re pretty similar, both respecting the statues of their ancestors.

But when they’re both unfrozen they both just HATE each-other. with the green wafers specifically having more vitriol towards the organikk, just like how between catty and bratty, bratty seems to be the one that dislikes the other more.

The green wafers are pissed off at pink philosopher organikk, thinking they’re an idiot that did something to their ancestor (not realizing that the idiot IS their ancestor) and wanting them to leave IMMEDIATELY, while the philosopher is somewhat annoyed that the wafers aren’t statues anymore because they were easier to worship when they were frozen. (the Organikk does note that they’re fine with being beaten up, though.)

Interesting case how in this scenario they both believe that they came AFTER the other person, because the first sanctuary darkners worshipped the philosophers as their ancestors, and the second sanctuary darkners worshipped the wafers as their ancestors.

I also find the paradoxical nature of the oganikks to be interesting. they simultaneously came before and after the wafers (hence the wafers referring to them as ancestors despite them only coming to life ‘after’ the first fountain closed) and their native dark world is one that’s a ‘copy’ of the one that came before, yet also having always been there/being predestined to exist in the future (because they were there in the 1st sanctuary). It both reminds me of undertale’s nature as a game that only exists because of a prior unfinished game (deltarune) that was eventually brought back and created as a sequel/parallel story to undertale. It also reminds me of the dancestors and the idea of the scratch from homestuck.

I really badly want to say that the forgotten man being associated with jumbling up words and the order of events in chapters 3 & 4 is associated with deltarune being a ‘remix’ of undertale narratively and an anagram of undertale titularly, but i dont have any proof for that.

A specific line of dialogue has me interested, though. the philosopher organikk, after talking about how they liked the wafers better when they were frozen, says: “They said they know what an acorn is. That’s no good. If you know, it means you cant ask what it is!”

which calls back to a line another organikk said in the second sanctuary: “I heard theres something inside the acorn. But i don’t know where to find an acorn. Or even what one is in the first place. We must find a way. We must find a way to use alchemy to make this acorn.”

obviously this also ties into the whole idea of “roots” as well.

I genuinely wonder if this sums up specifically WHY the forgotten man and gaster seemingly do not gel well.

The organikk wants to use alchemy (science) to pursue the answer of whats inside the acorn, but DOES NOT want to be told the answer by someone that already knows the answer. In a sort of ‘The journey is more important than the destination’ sort of way.

It reminds me of the abc_123_a audio from undertale:

“Hello, have some respect and dont spoil the game. Its impossible to have mysteries nowadays because of nosy people like you. Please keep all of this between us. If you post it online i wont make any more secrets. It will be your fault.”

Maybe the idea is that one of them is more interested in the inquisitive nature of the experiment, rather than the results. hm.

I stg all of this means something.

Hell, this might even be part of the reason why Catty and Bratty have dialogue sprites in Deltarune.

I consider both the face sprites and Catty being given a confirmed last name and a mandatory encounter in chapter 4 to be indicative of at the very least Catty becoming relevant to the story soon, so maybe these parallels will continue idk.