Go DJ (Thatâs My DJ): An Interview with DJ Mike Nasty
Segen Assefa: Ok, well first of all, thank you for agreeing to talk to me - I know youâre very booked and busy but I thought it was a cool opportunity so I took advantage of it. But, to give you a long story short, Iâm working on a piece right now about Black DJs and house music. I feel like the current resurgence has been very, very white focused, so Iâm trying to talk to more, like, people of color in that space, and I know the event [held on 09/16] was very rap focused, but Iâm probably just going to talk to you a bit more about the house aspect of what you do if thatâs alright?
Mike Nash (DJ Mike Nasty): âYeah thatâs cool, thatâs like my focus - Iâm a house artist [static] I just do the hip-hop part to pay the bills.â
SA: [laughs] Yeah, I mean, I heard you mentioning during the set that you were representing Memphis, so are you from Memphis originally?
MN: Yeah, born and raised in Memphis [for] the first seventeen years of my life, went to college at the University of Tennessee, moved to Atlanta after I graduated, was in Atlanta for three years, and Iâve been in New York since 2017.
SA: Thatâs a whileâŚdamn. Is there a lot of crossover between the Memphis music scene and house music or is it something that you had to actively find yourself seeking out and getting into?
MN: Iâd have to say growing up in Memphis, I never really knew about a house scene. I know now, with it being 2023, there are young artists in Memphis trying to curate house events, but growing up I never really knew or saw anything through the lens of my hometown. I started getting into house music when I moved away to Knoxville for school. Youâre around other cultures from other cities and countries, and we were just sharing music and finding out about other artists - even outside of house; like, I really got into psychedelic rock bands, and things like that. I went to college in â09 - so that was when the EDM wave was kind of growing - like trap music, hip-hop mixed with dance music, and Disclosure was kind of bubbling and doing their thing, and that just kind of opened my eyes to it. Then, when I moved to Atlanta, I started incorporating house music a little bit more in my open format parties but I wasnât really able to throw a house music party until I moved to new york - thereâs just more people into it up here.
SA: Yeah - and Iâve never been to Tennessee - is it diverse for the most part? Mostly Black? Mostly white?
MN: Itâs really just Black and white. There are Mexican neighborhoods, a few smaller Asian populations [in Tennessee]. Atlanta is a little bit more diverse; thereâs a huge Korean population there, but for the most part, the south is kind of just Black and white. I donât see as many, you know, Dominicans, and Puerto Ricans, and people from France and all of that. Everyone is in New York.
SA: Yeah, no, New York is very interesting, to say the least. So I guess you moving here, was that to continue music or was there a separate decision that pushed you out here?
MN: I moved solely for music. I felt like I wasnât growing anymore as a DJ in Atlanta. I had a conversation with somebody and they convinced me to come up here for a business trip for a month. The third week I was here, I just felt so good. I felt like this is the place I needed to be - with like minded individuals pushing the culture forward and creating the culture first, in terms of the type of music I like. so I made the move. Best decision of my life, really.
SA: I watched one of your other interviews and you mentioned that you moved to Brooklyn and just stayed in Brooklyn. Was there a particular reason that you didnât go out to the other boroughs, or you just felt that Brooklyn was it, that it was you.
MN: I DJ a lot in Brooklyn, so it just made the most sense. WhenI first got here, I stayed with a homie in Bushwick and it was the first neighborhood I was exposed to. I live in Bedstuy now and this is my favorite neighborhood - I like the food culture, the Black culture, the Black history - like the Black Panthers were out here doing their thing back in the day. Itâs one of the few Black neighborhoods really left. I see people from the African diaspora that have shops on Fulton street where I can go get African black soap and other things to cleanse my body - things I didnât know about growing up in the south because we were just using skincare products and hair products from Walmart and that stuff really isnât good for you. Just the African culture here, the Caribbean culture here, I gravitate towards it.
SA: When I see house or techno events, theyâre all centered in Brooklyn, so what were your experiences first getting here and going to those kinds of events and seeing the difference between what it was in like Tennessee or Atlanta - whether itâs the demographic or the kind of things people were gravitating towards?
MN: It's crazy because everything is so white, you know? Youâd see a few Black people, but it was still few and far between. I remember going to events like Tiki Disco which Eli Escobar throws or Le Bain, which is in Manhattan, and just seeing a lot of white people. The music was good, but I still havenât found a space where Black people can hear house music outside of my own parties. I want to throw my parties more, and I want it to be monthly, but you know itâs hard to get these house music venues because theyâre not really booking Black parties. Theyâll book Black people but itâs their token Black people that are the few they let in there, and those Black people get in those spaces and theyâre not really tryna let you in; they just bring in their friends. So, if youâre not a part of these communities or these cliques, itâs even harder. [...] And itâs really bad out in LA. The people I talk to there say thereâs not really a house scene out in LA for Black people. I feel like thatâs my lane, and thatâs like my mission. I already throw Black parties so just like why not throw them with a different genre of music.
SA: I was looking on your instagram and saw the page for the Jumpinâ and Thumpinâ events that you throw and it looks super cool. But I was looking at the pictures and thinking like âWhere areâŚthe niggas?â Like, where are the Black people? Have you noticed when you throw house or techno events versus things that are more rap/hip-hop/r&b focused, whatâs the response that you get from these venues, or even people that want to attend?
MN: So it depends on the venue. More venues do cater to their regular crowds, so when I do throw a party at Elsewhere, it would be 50-75% white because thatâs their audience and their ticket prices are extremely high - higher than what I would charge for my own parties. A lot of Black people hit me up and they donât really wanna come and pay +$30 to go to the party - they wanna support it but they just can't afford it. Weâre in a recession, weâre coming off the back of a pandemic, but when Iâve thrown my parties in other spaces, when I first started, in other venues, it would be like 85% Black people. It also depends on the neighborhood, but there arenât really house music venues in Bedstuy or other places where I can have more Black people come out - you gotta go to Bushwick or Manhattan, which are areas where Black people donât really congregate. Thatâs been the battle right now. I have a lot of Black people that wanna come to it [Jumpinâ and Thumpinâ] but I have to get the venue and the deal structure that would allow me to have a certain price point that people would feel like paying.
SA: I feel like nowadays, as a black person, when you say âIâm a DJâ, you expect to hear a lot of trap, or hip-hop, or even dancehall mashups, and now more and more black people are getting back into house and techno, but still not as heavily as white people. Do you feel when talking to other DJs or other creatives - specifically those that donât do as much work with the same music you do - that you get weird responses about being a black person thatâs so invested in house and techno?
MN: I feel like if anything, I'm inspiring a lot of people to venture into house music. I see more and more people dropping house mixes or attempting to throw house parties. I wonât say they're the most authentic but it is a step for the culture. And I feel like people respect me for what I do - I'm literally a one of a kind DJ in america. I donât see many other DJs doing what I'm doing at this high of a level; being a house music artist, throwing house events, but can still sell out Brooklyn Ball and have 900 people singing to a Future song. I donât see anybody like me and thatâs why I feel like my movement is so special and so powerful. To be this eclectic and this well rounded as a DJ is just amazing. Iâm not too concerned about the [other] DJs; thereâs a lot of them that hit me up and want to spin the house but I'm more concerned about the crowd and getting more black people to come to these parties.
There is a scene of Black people that are into house music in Brooklyn but they only party at these specific venues that donât book a lot of Black DJs, and thatâs just kind of their scene, thatâs what theyâre into and I understand that. So Iâm at the point where Iâm spoon-feeding people, trying to pull people from those audiences like âI get - yâall love this scene, but there's something new for us thatâs growing and yâall gotta be more open minded to other DJsâ.
I feel like the fact that I spin hip-hop keeps people from attending my parties because itâs more like âOh, is he a poser?â. Iâve had someone come to one of my parties and say they had to come see me spin house because theyâve only seen me spin hip-hop and they wanted to see if i could do it. Thereâs a lot of people stuck in their head; they go based off of social media and think that they know you.
The thing is, I donât even listen to hip-hop like that - Iâm listening to jazz, funk, soul, house like 90% of the day, but people donât realize that DJing is a job, so if hip-hop is going to pay me well, then Iâm going to continue to do it. And we all come from hip-hop; people get older and try to branch away from hip-hop and be like âOh I only listen to house and technoâ like yeahâŚbut you didnât come up that way. When youâre in a Black household, youâre listening to hip-hop, disco, oldies, all of that. Itâs a process but I think with Beyonce and Drake, and all these other artists getting into it [house], it helps introduce people to Mike Nasty as an artist. I remember when their albums dropped [Beyonce and Drake] and people were tweeting me like âYouâve been on this broâ.
SA: Before I get into the other questions, out of the blue, what was your opinion on Drakeâs album? Iâm not going to get into Beyonce, but I know a lot of people - when it first came out - were very much like âwhat is this?â So, what was your opinion in terms of introducing house music to a more unconventional crowd?
MN: I would say it's more mainstream house. I know of the producers that worked on that project and some of them are legit house producers, or people that are into tech house and things like that, but I'd say that was more for a white audience. The music is still going to go and get played in more mainstream venues and events. Itâs not bad music, it's just not my style - I'm more into deep, soulful house. And thatâs another thing - everyone hears one kind of music and says âOh, thatâs houseâ or âOh, thatâs EDMâ but those are umbrella terms. There are so many genres; I've sent charts to my friends that break down the history of house music and what it is. You got tech house, minimal, techno, ghetto tech, deep house, classic house, jackin house; there are so many different types of house and each pocket, each lane has millions of fans that like those types of music. The internet is not that old, and itâs still a young thing, and now music is so accessible, but people are so conditioned to want one style of music. So now they hear one thing and classify it under one umbrella term.
SA: When it comes to Black people and house music, do you think itâs kind of the same thing that white people do when it comes to rap? Thereâs not that deeper knowledge or appreciation or do you think itâs something else entirely?
MN: Iâm not going to say that because I would say that white people understand rap - I say that after going to a PWI and being in these spaces. I know white country boys from the backwoods of Tennessee that listen to Young Dolph and know more of his lyrics than I do. Itâs just that hip-hop is not as complex in terms of subgenres. In hip-hop, you have New Orleans bounce, Florida has its own sound, Tennessee got a sound, Texas got a sound, you know what I'm saying? It's more based on your region. But with house music, itâs really global. You got jungle music, drum and bass, garage; that's like its own thing; that was a movement. There's so many other sub genres that are based on other countries. We created house in America, but like the UK, they did some whole other stuff with it. That's why they're able to have a BBC Radio station where you can listen to house music 24 hours a day. We don't really have that here. We got Sirius XM, but who listens to satellite radio? You know, mainstream radio only plays mainstream music in America. It's about what we are fed.
SA: Yeah, I feel like it's also definitely how we're fed it too. I feel like the way that a lot of people process music and take it in, there's not a lot of space for people to do their own individual exploration if they're not being pushed to like, look for something different.
MN: And that's why I feel like I'm so important. I have mainstream fans that listen to the City Girls, and Megan the Stallion, and even Kaytranada. I won't classify what he does as house music, I'll just call it dance music. But there are his regular fans that call his music house and it brings more people, to people like me that have a more refined sound.
SA: House music was created in America, but I feel like there was a drop off at some point, especially for Black people. Why do you think that was? How do you think white people - even just non-Black people were able to co-opt house music so easily? And most importantly, why do you feel like there's a resurgence of Black DJs and Black artists trying to come and take it back?
MN: Itâs just crazy because Iâve been talking to so many people about this. I've been talking to OGs that are in their 40s, and they were saying that hip-hop and house used to get played in the same parties in New York City. And then there was like, when hip hop started getting more like gangsta rap-ish and violent, and then there was just this separation - house music went this way, hip hop went that way, and the stigma around hip-hop became negative. Meanwhile, house was still rising in places like the UK. As Black people, we create music, but the fact that we're creators and like, you know, the originators of so many things, we're just constantly going ahead - we just keep moving ahead, moving ahead. I also I feel like with house starting in the gay community and the stigma Black people have historically were part of the seperation. House stayed underground, you know, but there were historically popular house records that were on mainstream 80s and 90s radio. I think music in America is constantly evolving. Like Europe and Australia, they still dig for vinyl; I was in London, I went to a record store and thereâs still a record digging culture over there. There's a resurgence now - I see more young people getting into vinyl, but like, it never stopped over there. You know what I'm saying?
SA: Yeah, I guess it's just a different method of looking for things as opposed to just going and based solely off of what's on the internet and stuff. Right?
MN: Yeah, I will say it's a cultural thing. I don't want to generalize but I feel like a lot of Americans don't appreciate older music. Like I've seen somebody say something online about my DJ sets like, âOh, he played 90s and 2000s stuff.â and it's like bro, I was born in â91 - this is good music! Why can't we listen to Michael Jackson or Earth, Wind, and Fire in this party? Why is it seen as old music? Overseas, people appreciate good music but in a lot of mainstream [American] culture, we just don't. It's like bro, this is classic music.
SA: No, I get what you're saying. Also crazy that you bring up Earth, Wind, and Fire because it is September 21st. Are there elements that you feel like you try to incorporate into your sets or into the music that you make that you think that other artists don't?
MN: I'm really just into melodic jazz and soul music infused warehouse. And minimal vocals - just good, deep house - like that's just my thing. Everything right now is like the disco - everybody doing happy disco. You know, the Black lady singing on the record, like that's very popular. Really popular with white people. But I feel like there's underground culture that appreciates instrumental music. People would be like âOh, your record doesn't have enough vocals, or any vocals on itâ Â and I'm like, I got my own lane, you know, itâs like classical music. People not singing over classical music - itâs just good music.
SA: Do you think people give that kind of credit to classical music - again - because it is very white dominated? Or do you think it's something else entirely?
MN: I don't know. I've heard a lot of things they try to debunk, like Beethoven was actually Black and all that stuff. I don't know. I can't really say; I got to do the deeper research on that. But I will say I grew up listening to classical music. My mom used to play it for us. You know, they say it makes you smarter, so. And I grew up playing saxophone, so like, that's cool. I started in sixth grade and played all the way till I was in 12th grade. I still have a saxophone, I can pick it up and play to this day. I've been trained in classical music and now, I'm taking jazz piano lessons. Those are some of the dopest music, art forms - jazz and classical music are like the most intricate. People have to compose this stuff and write music for an entire orchestra - that is that is the highest level of expertise in music. I just have an appreciation for it. So it's like, why not have the same mindset with your own music?
SA: I don't know if this is strange, but I feel like I've never met anyone that actually plays the saxophone in real life. So that's kind of cool. Um, so there's like, three minutes left, so I wanted to ask you really quickly about your YouTube, I saw that you have some tracks that have visuals to them. In addition to your process behind coming up with those visuals, what would you say is your inspiration, whether that's musically or visually, in terms of creating those or even just your tracks in general,
MN: My inspiration is books like this [holds up art book]. This is all vintage fucking soul covers. I have one for jazz, rock, and disco. Literally just 1970s album covers. I just go to these books, and see stuff and I'm like âOh, okay, that's dope.â I have illustrators in three different countries; the Philippines, Costa Rica, and the UK. I just feel like they have a different take on the world and life and they all have different contributions. I'm just like, you know, here's a mood board, here's the inspiration., this is the vibe Iâm going for - and then they just take my ideas even further. Books, art books, are really my thing. I rarely pull from new art. I'm a nostalgia junkie, like I like films, too. I'll watch an old movie, like from the 80s or something. I might be in the studio and put on the first Matrix movie from the 90s or something and itâs just like, the art inspires everything from you.
SA: Is there ever a specific feeling that you're trying to emulate? I know, obviously, it changes from track to track but is there an overall, encapsulating feeling that you want people to feel when they listen to your music, or when they watch your visuals?
MN: Yeah, definitely. Itâs more of a musical term, but it's minor chords. Major chords are happy, but minor chords bring dissonance. Minor chords do something to people - it's like the basis for blues and like soul music. These chord progressions that are just dark and light at the same time. You can't really describe it. I just know everything I do is a minor chord.
SA: Okay, I'm gonna have to go and do research on that, because that's kind of interesting.
MN: Yeah, just research music theory.
SA: I guess to wrap it up, is there anything you want to say that we didn't talk about in this interview - Â not even just a reference to your own music or your inspirations, but about house and techno and just music as a whole?
MN: Since weâve been talking about Black people, I just want to say I feel like Black people in these spaces can show more camaraderie. I think that's what we're lacking. It's like a metaphor - they're in a helicopter, they escape from the island and then they don't drop. These people get whisked away back to society and the rest of us are still on this island. I say that to say like, there's Black people in these spaces, but there's way more Black people that want to be in these spaces. And the fact that we don't have many Black owned clubs in New York or other cities in America hurts because we donât have other Black people representing us from the top level. White people own everything and I get it - everybody not cool, everybody doesn't want to just give handouts or whatever. But people have to create a pipeline where it's easier for Black people that are interested in a genre to go up. If we don't have that, then white people are just gonna steal our music.
Imagine if in New York,Texas, LA, Miami, all the Black house DJs were rocking with each other - throwing parties here, throwing parties there, and we just got this network throughout America. And then people just document that; weâd have documentaries and articles and all these write-ups, and we just had his Black house techno network, this dance music network, throughout the whole whole nation. I've already heard from people that white people at the top are looking for Black artists, but it's like, we don't need them. I started my own label because I got tired of trying to get records signed. I did the paperwork, LLC, EIN number, website audit, all of it. House should be, you know, Black ownership and creating spaces for other black people to come into. I actively tell my friends all the time, I'm looking for Black DJs, but they got to have the knowledge. They got to be able to play a certain way. They got to understand what house music is. I did my research for years before I even started DJing house, you know.
SA: Do you think social media has been a good incubator for finding other Black DJs or do you think it has to be something more organic, like people coming to shows and meeting in real life?
MN: Iâd say social media brings awareness to peopleâs movements. It makes you aware, but it doesnât make people reach down inside of themselves and say âI want to supportâ.  Itâs more like âOk, heâs doing something dope, alright what can he do for me?â. DJs hit me up, thousands a year, from all over - LA to Miami, wherever - and Iâm just likeâŚhow can you want to spin in a space youâve never attended, never supported. Not that I even need that, but Iâm always down to reach back - Iâve never been about what someone can do for me. If youâre talented, I can provide the platform for you. But itâs happening - the page [Jumpinâ and Thumpin] has over four thousand followers, and I only started it right before the pandemic. But within the last year, Iâve really just caught the momentum. So just imagine a year from now, the page might be at around 10 thousand followers, might be at bigger venues selling out - itâs just about the slow grind.
DJ Mike Nasty returns to the underground on October 7th, bringing his âJumpinâ and Thumpinââ to Manhattanâs Deluxx Fluxx